Yates

Please stop and pay attention to the following message.... !!!READ POST 299!!! The way I see it you guys have two options: 1. Learn to mafia or 2. Lynch me without a role claim There is 0% chance I'm going to full claim until AFTER Theo comes clean. So there you go. I'll save the scum pushing this ridiculous agenda some time.

Is this why you didn't post last night when I saw you lurking in thread? Or were you in a quicktopic somewhere chit chatting with your teammates trying to figure out how to get Theo out of this jam?

I agree. All Theo would have had to do is roleclaim. But he didn't. Since you are voting for me you think I'm scum, yes? If you think I'm scum, guess what? My buddies already know Theo's role. So why would I bother going through the whole charade in here when I could just quietly kill him at night with the rest of the Town unaware? Knowledge is good for Town and bad for scum. I'm hiding a lot. That has nothing to do with my alignment. If it did then guess what? Theo is hiding something too, so why not vote the guy that was caught as opposed to the accuser - especially given the fact that the accuser was right? I claimed he had a night action. He had a night action. Where's the mystery, here? This is the last time I'm going to say this since I've posted it more than once; I'M GOING TO FULL CLAIM BEFORE THE END OF THE DAY. How hard is it to figure out the order in which information has to be released? Seriously. If you want to do something useful with your vote, you should follow your own logic and place the vote on Theo.

Humble to be sure, but I call it home. http://twelveletters.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/2-a-hole-in-the-ground.jpg

You call *this* black?? Psh... This is like off white for an Emo. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-rVm26Yk32eU/ThH83EJgLEI/AAAAAAAABT4/rMfRa_Ed9_I/s1600/i%2Bll%2Bstop%2Bwearing%2Bblack%2Bthe%2Bday%2Bthey%2Bmake%2Ba%2Bdarker%2Bcolor.jpg

Of course you do, silly. What scum *wouldn't* want my full claim before Theo's post?

I agree with this post 100%. 4 stars. Would read again.

Yes, just like my other modded games Thank you. This actually creates more questions than answers but is critical information.

I'm not here to be your friend. Try Helix if you want to play Hippie. I'm here to catch scum. http://orangedefense.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/smug.gif Theo is scum and I'm the only one voting him due to Hippie mentality and actually IN SPITE of the one content post he has made today. This makes me sad. http://image.spreadshirt.com/image-server/v1/designs/10836588,width=178,height=178/No-One-Likes-a-Sad-Panda.png

Nobody wants to tell me if my neighbor is scum or town?

If I'm a town player and someone calls me scum in that manner, then it's not unlikely. This is what I mean about you being counter productive. That is NOT proper Town play. And moreover, I think [hope?] you wouldn't play it like that and you are trolling me again. There is a time and a place for OMGUS but that was inapropriate. A better play would have been to question my vote. Did I spaz out on anyone for voting me? I simply shrugged it off and pointed out errors in play. THAT is how a TOWNIE responds to a single vote or two. This is also what I mean about you being counter productive. How many people does it take to tell you that you are wrong? [Rhetorical] I'll drop it at this point. I guess you'll need to see how it plays out to understand. That chart isn't what's going to keep you safe at night. And based on what I've seen so far, isn't going to net you a single baddie. 1. Hyperbole. How am I supposed to get the info out of him I need? Lollipops? Well, I'm all out of lollipops. 2. Nope. I did, however, acknowledge that there is a SLIM chance he's Town. Which leads to this... Yup. He hasn't been forthcoming so yes he has lied. TBD - Again, this isn't information he needs to have beforehand so he can fabricate a defense. If he's Town, he doesn't need to known because he doesn't need to fabricate. I guess Kaz should mod kill me then. Or, Kaz knows that wasn't an actual bet and you are, once again, being counter productive and trolling. Why was it so hard for you to untuck your head from your 4th point of contact? Are you starting to understand why each of your posts is so frustratingly counter productive? These are rhetorical. Please don't answer. It's called distancing. And he was never given a convenient out to unvote. So he was stuck. Your guess is as good as mine.

One more note to self:

The bird and The Rock http://cdn.inquisitr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Dwayne-Johnson-In-Terminator-Reboot-As-An-Android...Wheres-Arnold-Schwarzenegger-665x385.jpg

Hey guys - while we're all here - can we talk about the other elephant in the room? I got neighborized last night. What are the chances the neighborizer is a Town neighborizer vs a Scum neighborizer?

Ditto. Outside of Miller, it makes no sense. And I don't think this game has Millers. That said, it *is* bastardly to flip a scum so it appears Town. So if this is a bastard game, it would be good to know up front.

Splitting hairs. The VERY safe assumption is I'm calling him scum for a reason. And? The first thing you do when someone says "why are you scum, bro?" in a mafia game is ASSUME the accuser is scum? Is that how this game works? Well no duh. You'd have to see Theo's flip to make any assumptions about my alignment. Which is kind of my point regarding why things happen in a certain order. This is a laughable conclusion to come to based on my argument and indicates you aren't thinking past what's directly in front of you. Try thinking two or three steps ahead. I've said as much and you've quoted me. Yet you fail to ask yourself the most basic of questions; if Theo is Town, why would he lie? I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree. Again, agree to disagree. Nothing happens in a vacuum. You are not seeing the big picture. Further, I will bet you ONE MILLION DONGS that I will not be lynched today regardless of Theo's fakeclaim and your misunderstanding of the game state. I'm not in the slightest. My only concern is that everything you have been saying today has been counterproductive and you are starting to confuse people like Robert with your nonsense. Let me ask you this; do you think KevinH was Town or Scum? If you think he was scum [as it sort of appears], would you care to explain why I cheerleaded his lynch then set my sites on Theo? Do you think my plan, as scum, is to bus all my partners for Town credit then try to win this thing SK-style? *I would like to point out that killgor had been reading this thread for a while and has yet to respond to recent developments. Ditto iSocialism. I'd like to know why they decided not to post. This is really a note to myself.

@Mod - would scum flip a different color from Town? Worth a shot. While he did lie, it's also possible he was a Mason. I'd like to rule that out.

What makes you so sure KevinH was scum? Are you just assuming he was scum because is character was a werewolf even though he flipped green - the same color as lurch? That sounds bastard moddy to me.

@Helix [or killgor] - as to the rest of your post that really isn't worth responding to because it's rehashing basic gameplay, let me answer with a question already posed... What is your response to the argument I laid out in this post? And if you have problems with the first paragraph? Feel free to ignore it entirely because EM could be right. There's a probability it's a vig or SK and not a second entire faction. That's not something I wanted to own up to entirely until after Theo's next post but whatever. This is already like pulling teeth.

http://orangedefense.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/facepalm.gif That's correct. All you know is that I knew Theo had a night action. And that I called him out on it on my first post of the day. You claim that doesn't say anything about my alignment. Ok. You're right. I guess I *could be* a scum rolecop that just outted himself on Day 2 for... lulz? And even if you thought that, why wouldn't you take a scum served up on a platter even if it's from someone you are mostly sure is another scum? Wouldn't the logical order of things be; 1. lynch the scum that was found 2. let night actions resolve 3. lynch PROBABLE scum if night actions havent sorted that out for you already? Of course not. You're an innocent child. That's all the "action" you get. Also, as mod confirmed Town, you are a night target that can never be allowed to reach MYLO. Good luck with that.

Insane. One of these days we can chat offline because it's getting a bit dark in here. And if I started yapping it would go pitch black.

Effing A right! Also its back to 12B not 21B last I heard As my username suggests, I was a combat engineer from 2002-2006, wounded twice Operation Iraqi Freedom, medically retired. Now work as a DA Civilian. Essayons, my brother! Sorry to hear about your forced retirement. On the plus side you came back in, I'm assuming, one piece? So amen to that. You are officially part of a brotherhood of well-hung heros and no one can ever take that away from you. It's a tough road to haul, as you very well know, and not many people can say they have the ENORMOUS balls to disarm a landmine - with potential secondary and tertiary firing devices - WHILE PEOPLE ARE SHOOTING AT YOU!! It's crazy but I randomly work with like 4 other Combat Engineers, and I'm in EDUCATION! Also, good on you for going hardcore. I never had a chance to get to sapper school, but I've heard stories. I was a bit of a stud student [Honor Grad and all that jazz] and had a talent for the more stressful part of our job in common. So, I was fast tracked to 89D and "missed out" on some physically demanding schools in exchange for a brain melt. I wish I could find a pic of my favorite shirt that never made it back to the World. It was a WAY more awesome version of this lame shirt: http://rlv.zcache.com/eod_if_you_see_me_running_t_shirt-rd480a25478e4460587e0fc5e134c6d41_804go_512.jpg

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Triple post score: @Helix and killgore - now that Theo has admitted he DID have a night action [regardless of the fact he isn't being truthful and forthcoming] AS I SAID, what now? Time to revisit your thoughts on Yates, yes?

That is a fair point. I would like to clarify, though, that I was not trying to rush you. In this game 12-24 hours is a reasonable response time. My post 226 was merely to see if anyone else had seen you post since I have a narrow selection of threads to find you in. When I did a search on you, based on the threads *I* could see, your post in here was the last post you had made. I was also trying to slow the roll on certain individuals jumping to conclusions on things when the only response has been a vacuum. That's not a statement about your lack of response so much as it is a statement about individuals making statements WITHOUT your response. If that makes sense??? In response to your latest post, if that was directed at me [or even if it was not] I feel like this is a good time to bring something up [more meta related than game related so Ima spoiler it so it doesn't distract from the game]: