Lachiton

atliis never visited ABT, he visited Dark Fox I guess the smart play could be to leave ABT alive for now, and have Rhizo investigate him tonight, and then we will get our answer for sure, and then we can lynch one of the other potential scum. Think he meant Lach visited him. I screwed up that earlier as well thinking Atilis was the one who came forward with the Guilty on AbT I also agree AbT makes a good point about the motion detector N1 on Samus claimed by Medved. I would assume, that a motion detector would not pick up on an action of an Ascetic, since outside of a kill no one can. I know I investigated Samus N1, and got No Result (was thinking I was RB, I almost did it on him again N2, glad I didn't). I would assume that a motion detector would not pick up on me visiting when my action was not possible to be done. I still like Yehom. What worries me about Medved is the fact the two people on it are two people who have been fairly connected for awhile, as Mandarijn has sided with AbT since early on and continues to. I'm sketched by AbT for multiple reasons, and Mandarijn I am because he seems so sold on AbT when I don't know how someone could be that sure. As I stated, I think AbT has the potential to be possible any of 3 possibilities, scum/sk/town. If he's scum it would be a good lynch, if he's a SK or Town, it's not preferably given that we need to lynch Scum, and if AbT is SK, he's a threat himself to the likes of Scum. I've been hard on him, but nonetheless I think the better lynch is elsewhere. I also will bring up, though I'm comfortable with Brewers coming up town by Atillis, Darkfox did too and has been less talkative and the possibility remains we have a Godfather role. I feel more comfortable with the likes of Medved/Yehom today personally From Mafia Scum.net: . A role attempting to target an Ascetic should be seen doing so by Trackers and Motion Detectors. Therefore, a motion detector would get the result that someone did attempt to target Samus, since Rhizo did target Samus So at the moment I tend to believe Medved's claim wait never mind, i could be wrong. i think that means if their target targets the ascetic. my bad Good catch. My vote stays No, motion detector cannot see action performed on a Ascetic. I think brewers realized his mistake with his last line It is very clear on MafiaWiki

Most likely mafia has been given alternate names. Did everybody name-claimed? What about DarkFox? atliis never visited ABT, he visited Dark Fox I guess the smart play could be to leave ABT alive for now, and have Rhizo investigate him tonight, and then we will get our answer for sure, and then we can lynch one of the other potential scum. If Rhizo is FBI agent, no way SK will let him live tonight. That will be too much of a gamble. If AbT is SK he will surely take out Rhizo tonight, unless he wants to gamble on the framer angle again next day. That being said, I am just going with whats the general feeling town has towards AbT. I am on the fence right now but I can never get fully behind him as he came out guilty to my investigation. But I agree with what SBG said previously, we can maybe lynch him as a last resort. At this moment my top suspects are KevinH and Medved.

Sorry for my absence. I have been super busy last couple of days. I am trying to catch up with all that is going on. But it looks good the game has become alive again. Its almost crunch time so I am glad almost everybody role claimed (real or not) as I suggested few days back. Why dont you name claim then? Well you can also full claim if you want because I guess all of us have already figured out what your role is.

We cant afford anymore mislynches now so its better for "unknown" guys to show their hands and prove that they're town. There is no point in withholding information anymore.

AbT did claim vigilante. I am the JOAT, and my cop investigation revealed AbT to be scum, but the only possible way that AbT is not guilty if we have a framer in play.

Inference from flavor text - Venusaur and Rhyhorn are possible scum and they faced Blastoise and Hitmonchan. I believe Hitmonchan tried to protect Blastoise but since he was Macho, he still got killed. Ok after writing that I dont know how that makes sense in mafia scheme of things

How the hell am I potential scum and Col Medved town? I am JOAT and theres no counter claim for that, so I believe I am the only one. And I have repeatedly explained what I had done with my powers. because I still dont 100% trust your claim from the previous day. What is not there to trust? I believe I have explained everything that was needed, with a full RC and name. If you still doubt me you're just not going in the right direction. Also you're yet to explain how Col Medved is town in your eyes. I can still get why you've put Rhizo in the town category but what Medved had done recently that screams town to you? Please be mindful that we have not got even one scum lynched. At this rate we will lose badly.

How the hell am I potential scum and Col Medved town? I am JOAT and theres no counter claim for that, so I believe I am the only one. And I have repeatedly explained what I had done with my powers.

Hmm ok!! So AbT did make good of his promise to kill someone at night, if thats really him killing tho. Tbf I would have thought Canik to be possible scum as well. So here are my alive town/scum list : Town: Lachiton brewers DarkFox SBG AbT (possibly he was framed, tho still not 100%) Possible scum: KevinH Yehom Rhizo Mandy Jazzy Kitkat Col Medved

Atliis was a Macho Cop so even if he was protected he would die Vote Mandy Ahh that makes sense. Give him a good smack on the head when you see him, for unnecessarily getting himself killed (lol jk)

Kinda expected but Attlis not getting protected is disappointing. AbT should be the focal point of discussion. He claimed vig and didnt take out anyone, though he claimed he would use his power last night. Not to mention he returned guilty to my investigation, framed or not.

Can we address whatever is going on with the Pokemon Mafia here? Like, can someone please explain to me the logic of having a town role and creating an entire backstory that doesn't exist? NOT ONCE BUT TWICE in this game? Did I miss a memo to just mass throw this game? In what idea is this "fun"? 1) If scum wins, what type of win is that? They win because town basically Kurt Cobain'ed itself twice. 2) If town wins, it would be no thanks to those involved with whatever the hell was going on. Like, what am I missing? This. How is this "fun" for anyone involved, town or scum alike? How is this fair to anyone else who want to enjoy a good mafia game? I am at complete loss of words with what went down two days in a row.

This is an interesting claim. If there's a vig then he is 100% town. So here it is, the two people who are in line for lynch MK - claimed JOAT, same role as mine, but with slightly different combo (we both had cop powers if we assume he is telling the truth). Claimed to have used up his best two powers on Rafay (ok?), knew Rafay was town when he was about to be lynched but still didnt RC to stop the mislynch of a confirmed town(really?). I have my reasons to delay the finding of AbT, I waned to make use of my doctor ability and I am glad I did. What excuse does MK has? It was the perfect opportunity to RC to stop Rafay's lynch and lure scum to hit him and wasting the kill with his bulletproof ability. This is the biggest red flag, I for one cant believe a town will play the way he did. And this is in addition to his otherwise erratic and inconsistent gameplay. AbT - Found guilty by me. May or may not have been framed. If we take away my investigation, he has not particularly acted scummy though not super townie either. Also he has not been taking charge of scum hunting the way he did last game so that appeared a it scummy to me. Now everyone will talk about his cupid/lover confusion which he made public instead of resolving it with TW privately. Well that was odd, but I still feel it was an honest mistake. TW (or any mod) reveals the night results to everyone just before he opens up the day phase so it would have been risky proposition for AbT to bring attention on to himself without discussing it with his scum buddies. If anyone noticed I was the one defending him on that day. I still went ahead with my investigation as I felt we need concrete proof whether he is town or not, or we risk split votes again the next day. I didnt take into account for a possibility of a framer and if there was a framer it was the perfect night to strike AbT. Well he still was found guilty so I cant clear him, framer or not, but still there's room for more discussion, especially now as he claimed vig and that has to be 100% town PR (if you have doubts then you're not paying attention ) So with all things considered, my vote for today still stands on MK.

So MK suddenly came out from being dead

Vote : Lord MK I dont believe an iota of what he said and he definitely should be lynched today. We can have more time to discuss on AbT later.

Well not my exact intention as I was thinking of revealing it in the middle of the day, but I forgot when was the deadline. Still I didnt want to start a lynch wagon on you. MK and his inconsistent stories hogged much of the day and I still feel he is the lynch for today. I just dont buy him as a JOAT, and someone who would waste his best two powers on Rafay and in the end still let him get lynched. What sort of townie does that? And conveniently his last power is bulletproof. Even though people suspected you on d2, I was the one who kind believed you were telling the truth. So I investigated you that night, half hoping that I can get you cleared and I can defend you with more conviction. But you turned out guilty. I still thought of the possibility of you being miller that is why I was trying for miller to come forward. But nobody did. To be fair I didnt know about Framer role so that thought didnt cross my mind until today. But just so you now it is still a convenient claim from you so unless you present more of your story, you're still in scum category.

I agree that Lachiton's claim makes more sense than MK, and the lover thing should in no way be the determining factor on who gets lynched. if lynching lachiton would have provided a greater net than lynching ABT (without considering peoples in game actions) then it would make sense in a way to consider lachiton as a lynch. but since the net gain is virtually identical, we have to go on what they are saying and doing in the game. Sure lachiton's timing still bothers me, but he says that he thought deadline was later. if thats the truth then I tend to believe it. and when you compare lachiton's actions from d1 to now and abt's from d1 toi now Lachiton does seem more believable. im still waiting to place my vote, but its most likely going to go on ABT plus lachiton has stuck to his exact same story the entire time I have been questioning him on it, and has not really given any inconsistencies, (unlike MK all day long) so in my eyes that bodes well for him telling the truth. The only thing that bothers me, is AbT would of been a good target for a frame the night he got investigated. Only thing that worries me AbT is currently reading through the thread so I expect him to post his defense soon. Lets see what he has to say.

Lol no. I didnt expect the cop to come out just like that, when I haven't even claimed cop. Actually I had claimed nothing, just shared an info which is based off cop powers but there are some roles where cop power is mixed up with others. So without clarifying anything, he decided it was smart to claim cop which took me by surprise. No way anyone, especially a cop should claim for such frivolous reasons, more so if you dont know that the person I am accusing is town or not. Yes and for valid reasons. I took a gamble and thought that you were town and possible target with the way everything went down that day. I am glad I took the risk and would like to believe I stopped a kill, though it may not be the case. That is why I said it firsthand today when MK was trying to get a lynch on you that you're probably town. So you are willing to lynch someone who you think is town before I revealed about AbT, believed me even after the reveal but now going onboard with brewers "sure way to make town lose" strategy? Hmm you just made the list for possible scums for me with that post. Seriously, worst case scenario AbT is town then he has to be miller or he was framed. If he was telling truth about nympho, then he and another VT dies. AbT has not been his self this game at all, so I am more inclined to think that he is scum. I on the other hand, am still a 1-shot roleblocker at this point. I got good results with my powers - outed AbT and possibly saved a kill. If we have a reloader than I can prove to be even more dangerous to scum. So I was 100% sure I was getting killed if I role claim, but with cop outing himself he might be the target now. If there's a reloader, I think you should load me up this night. If I dont get killed I can double up as a cop and possibly find another scum. @TW will you follow the same rule where the reloader and his target can use their roles on the same night, just like Kevin's game?

For me MK was the definite lynch for today. His stories had serious flaws and he claimed a variation of JOAT which I feel is a lie. I just wanted to reveal the info for next lynch, as I may not survive the night as I looked too town for my own good. There was no kill last night and I saved you, so if you're town and targeted I stoped the kill. Thats why I didnt reveal last day itself but gave enough time for AbT to claim miller. Also if you have noticed I was focussing on AbT at the start of the day before MK started posting some weird stories.

I made it pretty clear that I didnt want AbT to be the lynch for today, as I still feel MK is scum or jester and needs to be lynched to get him out of the way as he will continue to distract town. I am also questioning the timing of atlis RCing, who jumped out of nowhere to counter claim when I have not claimed anything. I really dont like this game play. If you're town you need to consider possibilities before you reveal everything here. People forget that scum also can see what you post here and you just make it easier for them to choose their targets at night. Seriously he could have questioned my claim and raised his doubts, but no he has to counter claim out of nowhere. The cop claim seriously pissed me off. I dont think I am to blame here for this debacle as there are lots of ways you can question someone, especially if he has not claimed any role yet.

Yeah desperate out of nowhere. God if you're actually cop and town think for a second why in the hell will I ever present a fabricated story if by all accounts I was considered town by others. You would think I would shoot myself in the foot? You guys didnt even allow the accused AbT to stand trial and present his defense, especially brewers and you are defending with absolutely no proof of your own. I mean seriously if you had to accuse me and raised doubts of my timing, at least do it after AbT defends himself. But guess what, with absolutely no proof of your own, you're ready to refute my cop investigation on someone. Step back and think about this whole thing for a second.

Nothing convenient for me. I waited because MK claimed JOAT which made my suspicions of him stronger, thats why I felt he should be the lynch for today. I planned on revealing in the middle of the day but I lost track of the deadline, thats why it was unintentionally late. Brewers, its very hypocritical of you to accuse me of not fully claiming when I presented a info, when you did exactly the same in case of Rafay.

You know you're increasing my suspicions of you manifold with this comment. You already claimed cop, that means you're toast this night. So why do you have to suppress info? I had at least some reasons to not claim day before as I wanted to make use of my doctor shot. And I was giving ample time for AbT to claim miller. What excuse do you have?

Oh really? You're not that newbie as you're making it seem to everybody. If you had doubts about my claim, you could have poked at me. Instead you went full on role claiming, without giving me the chance to fully claim. Yes I didnt reveal the info last day because I wanted to use my doctor power with what happened that day. You're also in the line of suspicion for counter claiming out of nowhere. Since you claimed cop it is wise to share the info.

you refusing to comment anything is exactly why this happened, which if you are scum could have been exactly what you are going for When did I say I refuse to comment? I said I want to wait for AbT to reply. If he doesn't I will reveal all that I know. Do you really think I will play this game out of no where if I was scum? I was by all accounts considered town at this point by most.