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All right, I guess that makes sense, it is LYLO after all. But even if we miss here we may have a (however slim) chance of living another day...

I'm a Restroom Attendant. I can "lock" people in the restroom for a night, preventing any action by that player to be carried out. The player I lock in, can't be nightkilled either. It's also unused - I was saving it for a LYLO situation as a last straw.

Another fish out of the water.

Restroom attendent in a supermarket? Must be a high-class supermarket.

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With 7 Alive, 4 is needed to lynch.

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Actually it's not. The role PM says it's a small unisex bathroom with a strong door...

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AKC, EM, and Preston all have not voted for each other. They seem to be the most likely scum group as long as no one except AKC is lying.

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AKC, EM, and Preston all have not voted for each other. They seem to be the most likely scum group as long as no one except AKC is lying.


I think you will find that mafia will lie when it suits them.
They will most certainly lie in order to lynch a townie.

And voting records can be used to determine a pattern.
However, sometimes mafia will vote for one another as a distancing vote (to make it seem that they are not together).
Very rarely will you see mafia put the hammer vote on one of their own.
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I believe RoT claim of being a vanilla townie cuz I don't believe I am the only vanilla townie in the game.
So the choices left are ACK, EM, Preston, and ccabal86.

I'm in the firm belief that ACK+EM are mafia now.
The only question to me is who is the 3rd (Preston or ccabal86).

I'll wait for the roleclaims before guessing who the 3rd member is.



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If EM is townie and TC being a known townie...then this is not a possible mafia combo.
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CanucksDynasty,ccabal86,AKCPLUTO,Preston online at this moment.
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CanucksDynasty,Preston,reign of terror,AKCPLUTO online at this moment
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I'm 100% sure that is not the case, because I'm a townie :P

Anyway it all seems to boil down to CD or AKC, with possibly EM as a possible second mafia member? Since we haven't learned that much in the past few days I think what everyone should do now is put a FoS on the person you'd vote for if you had to vote RIGHT NOW. Maybe that will spark some discussion.

If I had to vote RIGHT NOW I'd vote for AKC, with CD as a backup. AKC increasingly looks like he got caught in a bad roleclaim when TC revealed the name difference, plus the start-of-day vote and accusing TC yesterday don't help him any. CD has his voting record against him, having lynched both d3mon and cao cao. I'm leaning towards AKC at present, but I think it's dangerous for us to completely disregard the day 1 votes: that's one of the few solid pieces of information we have, and at this point we're down to two names.

I am also not ruling out the possibility that BOTH CD and AKC are scum, and that they are setting up for a sacrifice today that will 'prove' one of them town for tomorrow. Remember that even if we succeed today, it will STILL be LYLO tomorrow unless scum's nightkill is blocked.

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If CD and ccabal aren't lying, and AKC is lying that would leave AKC, Preston, and EM to be scum. Also Preston has not been challenged at all this entire game. Preston also voted for d3mon and then backed off quickly after d3mon roleclaimed as the security guard. Seems like something a scum would do because he doesn't want to have a deciding vote on one of the town's leading roles.

We're down to few enough players that "take X away, remaining 3 must be scum" arguments are possible. However we don't have anything on which to base the assumption that both CD and ccabal aren't lying - those are the remaining two from the list that voted for d3mon on day 1, and the prevailing wisdom yesterday was that d3mon's vote must have included at least ONE scum, if not more.

You are also forgetting that on day 1 just prior to the end of the day, KevinH was strongly asking people to unvote so we could figure out a way to test d3mon. I did that, and was talking about asking mole for an extension of the day to give us some time to do just that when the day ended. I could have easily stuck with the bandwagon (and frankly my analysis at the time was saying that I SHOULD have), but the danger of losing our security guard made me second guess myself.

@Pres - what are your thoughts on TC vote on EM?

TC first stated his suspicion of EM on day 1, and I was never clear on what he based that suspicion on - he mentioned EM's accusations, but aside from the usual day 1 scrambling (particularly with Kevin's april fools joke) I didn't see EM stand out of the crowd by the time TC first mentioned being suspicious of him. TC's vote today appears to be just a continuation of that first suspicion as opposed to something based on more current events - kinda like what CD does when he sticks on someone after first finding them suspicious.

I don't begrudge him his suspicion (and he may even be correct) but I think it's more of a long shot with less evidence behind it than the other candidates we're currently looking at. I'd rather a solid target instead of a guess from behavioral information like we did on day 1.

All right, I guess that makes sense, it is LYLO after all. But even if we miss here we may have a (however slim) chance of living another day...

I'm a Restroom Attendant. I can "lock" people in the restroom for a night, preventing any action by that player to be carried out. The player I lock in, can't be nightkilled either. It's also unused - I was saving it for a LYLO situation as a last straw.

Well this is interesting - and a little surprising that it's still unused, if real. I don't know how many roles there are left in this game... but I wonder if there is a way we can test this. Unlike AKC's role, this one has an active instead of passive ability.

First analysis:
This is basically a bodyguard role that roleblocks the one they protect, while the martyr (I think?) is a bodyguard role that dies if their target is attacked. They dont overlap, but they're close.
We've also already seen a simple 'roleblocker' - but that's more intended to be used against potential scum, where this role appears to be intended to protect but limit a townie; imagine if it were used on the security guard on night 1!

I don't want to immediately call this role fake, but it fits neatly between two roles we've already seen. I could see mole having a role like this in there as an attempt at limiting the town - two docs, but one blocks abilities and the other sacrifices the doc on successful use.

This role would be far more probable in a game where there are no vanilla townies - and so far we have yet to see any. Given that we have SIX town abilities in the game thus far, (four dead, TC and myself - I am not vanilla townie), I am not sure I'd believe that BOTH are vanilla.

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@Pres - so what is your role?
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Okay, trying this again; lost my earlier post due to forums briefly going down :-p

I'd frankly wanted to avoid roleclaiming, but it IS LYLO and I'll be suspected/lynched if I delay and that'll be game over... so here it is.

My role is OCD Restocker.
Paraphrase: You have been the last one out of the store too many times, but you have learned where everything goes and don't get yelled at too much anymore. As the day ends you will check the shelves and notice if anything is out of place. You can't tell anyone what you find until the next day starts.

(Some of these words are difficult to paraphrase :-p)

Short version: This looks to me like curious child redux. I guess mole wanted to give it a try again, but this time be more specific to avoid errors. It says I learn information at the END of the day, which I'm guessing means that if something happened last night I won't hear about it until tonight, and be able to share it tomorrow. It doesnt specify WHAT I learn, but based off last game I'm guessing it's keyed to some specific mafia ability - could be janitor, but somehow I'm thinking mole is being more creative here.

I'm aware this ability can't be proven, but that's about all there is to it; I had an unprovable role last game after all.

You can also see why I wanted to avoid roleclaiming, and why I didn't believe d3mon really on day 1 - my role made no mention of movement, which I'd thought would HAVE to be present if a movement-based security guard were real. And finally you can also see why I'm skeptical about there being TWO vanilla townies; the role count is just too high otherwise.

I realize that by claiming this I have likely painted a giant bulls-eye on myself... but NOT claiming would have made me a lynch target, and we can't mess up today.

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I am surprised I am the only one voting EM right now. He´s been my suspect by some before. And the last vote, I was not the only one who gave him the benefit of the doubt. So it is not the continuation of an existing suspicion, but an enhanced suspicion on other acts by this person. Others too said something along the lines of `if this vote is wrong, EM must be maffia`.

I also wonder why reign of terror is so firm in his believe AKC is not lying. I am not too sure about this, because his roleclaim is just too close to mine. The way that went down, I have the feeling that the replacement entered the game, threw in a roleclaim, but didn't read the entire history before that. All the moves after that seem -to me- like some "trying to wriggle out of it" actions. AKC has a very strong FoS from me too.
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@TC - I was waiting to see what happens but it's clear to me that EM is mafia (as is ACK).

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I'm siding with a known townie.
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EM seems to be inactive lately, we really shouldn't lynch him before he roleclaims. I'm having a feeling that mafia may try to go for an inactive and secure their victory, and this reinforces my suspicion of CD (along with the bad voting history and his "vanilla townieness" -> easiest way for mafia to avoid a roleclaim) to the point where I'm going to place a vote on him again, just to be safe...

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Of course it is possible that EM really is mafia and CD is placing a distancing vote on him to get out of the limelight. If we lynch CD today and he turns out to be scum (at this point I find that very, very likely), we should consider that scenario as well.

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And there you have it.
Mafia are ACK + EM + ccabal86.
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Bad roleclaims by ACK (cowardly lifeguard in a supermarket) and ccabal86 (restroom attendant in a supermarket).
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I am surprised I am the only one voting EM right now. He´s been my suspect by some before. And the last vote, I was not the only one who gave him the benefit of the doubt. So it is not the continuation of an existing suspicion, but an enhanced suspicion on other acts by this person. Others too said something along the lines of `if this vote is wrong, EM must be maffia`.

I also wonder why reign of terror is so firm in his believe AKC is not lying. I am not too sure about this, because his roleclaim is just too close to mine. The way that went down, I have the feeling that the replacement entered the game, threw in a roleclaim, but didn't read the entire history before that. All the moves after that seem -to me- like some "trying to wriggle out of it" actions. AKC has a very strong FoS from me too.


And there you have it.
Mafia are ACK + EM + ccabal86.

Bad roleclaims by ACK (cowardly lifeguard in a supermarket) and ccabal86 (restroom attendant in a supermarket).

I can see AKC's scum reasons, and ccabal possibly based on the roleclaim. And while EM did say something yesterday to the effect of "You can blame me if cao cao is town", I'm not sure what else I should be seeing about him that is suspicious in order to justify finalizing him as scum before he roleclaims.

I would like to see EM's roleclaim, but beyond that I'd also like more of a breakdown of what EM has done that's suspicious.

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@Preston - what's left to think about?

ACK + ccabal are clearly against me and I put my vote on EM. With TC being the known townie...the only possible mafia combos are...

ACK + cc + EM
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CD + rot + Preston
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I guess you're missing the fact I was against you yesterday, where you (again) voted to lynch a townie. As I said, EM may be mafia, but now I'm 100% certain that you are.

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Oh, and I wonder why you "forgot" to ask me to paraphrase my PM, (which I didn't). In other cases, you always ask people to paraphrase, what's different now?

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I also wonder why reign of terror is so firm in his believe AKC is not lying. I am not too sure about this, because his roleclaim is just too close to mine. The way that went down, I have the feeling that the replacement entered the game, threw in a roleclaim, but didn't read the entire history before that. All the moves after that seem -to me- like some "trying to wriggle out of it" actions. AKC has a very strong FoS from me too.



I never said that I believe AKC is not lying. I actually think he is lying and so my FOS is on him as well.

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