and this is an edit for the above

 

I made my comment based on how it looked like where going for a quick lynch, I didn't see that happen with rafay per se.

Keep the avatar. She's hot.

There is even a new game comprised entirely of her.

Euclid are you really gonna accuse me of being scum just cuz i wrote something wrong??? That's the strategy here???

I'd rather say suspect than accuse. I have more reasons to suspect you though than just that incident that you now seem to claim was a typo.

The Donner Party was a group of 87 American pioneers who in 1846 set off from Illinois in a wagon train headed west for California, only to find themselves trapped by snow in the Sierra Nevada. The subsequent casualties resulting from starvation, exposure, disease, and trauma were extremely high, and many of the survivors resorted to cannibalism.

 

In this game we need to recognize that a few are going to die, but that the townies will eventually make it to California!

That's cool stuffs Kevin ._.

 

 

@Lyner

I
don't expect everyone to post text walls. Just that if you don't then
maybe you could post a bit more often. That being said. Thanks for your
input on the vig kill and sorry to see that you may be wasting your vote
on an inactive. Too bad that it is still not clear who you suspect at
the moment as 1) you have not expressed any suspicions and 2) your vote
remains where it landed during RVS.

 

1. Yes, cause no one is suspicious enough, Xaras might be my next target if he doesn't show up soon

2. What, should I unvote?

Euclid are you really gonna accuse me of being scum just cuz i wrote something wrong??? That's the strategy here???

It all depends on how you respond

 

someone who gets defensive is clearly trying to hide something imo

Also I forgot to mention it, there are 12 people, the chance of Martino being one of the killer is 25%, if he is mafia and we lynched him, good. If he is a townie and he is inactive then that won't be good as he can't support us except to prolong the game for a bit. But as it has been mentioned Martino should show up soon

imran does have a point there. just dragging around from day to day people who do not do anything like posting or voting isn't fun or useful. i don't think that we should end the day right now though and conclude that martino will not be useful and just vote for him. that is bad scum hunting. we're out of the rvs from the looks of it and this is a good thing. most of the people playing are also quite active and this is also a good thing. we should try to make the most of it and gather as much info as possible.

That's why I said a better vote would be the "active" lurkers.

For example Xarastier. He's not absent so when he sees people

voting him, he will probably be pressured.

 

Parking votes on Martino will not do much as he's not

reading thread.

 

I believe the scum would instead be trying to act like a constructive townie and diverting attention carefully away from him and his practices.

Encouraging the vote on lurkers which doesn't say much as we have little info to work with.

Given that the scum may indeed be trying to blend in.

 

 

Unvote

 

Vote: Kaziocore

lol reply back if you have a better case against me.

 

Basically you're saying

1. Since I'm scum hunting, I'm automatically scum trying hard to get town cred (prove first I'm artificially scum hunting to get town cred)

2. I'm diverting attention to me (on the contrary, am I more vulnerable since I post a lot)

3. I advocated lynching lurkers (which I don't if you actually read my posts)

Woah woah I'm starting to see a pattern here. Why does my voting seem scummy. All kaz has done is throw random wild suspicions at me n Imran. That's not scum hunting, it's scum working to perfection and Euclid the new guy seems to be blowing their cover. They were both on Kev bandwagon n now trying to frame me.

Interesting

A scummy is going to be smart, he may be fooling the town into thinking he is out to get scum.

That's what is probably happening, obviously not all do.

The idea that all scum are laying low is ridiculous, a scum is going to be acting like a townie.

If you could prove that I did the following

1) Something that (at first glance) looks like it helps the town but doesn't (and the "helper" should be aware of that.)

Example: Information over Analysis

2) Something that though seemingly pro-town conflicts with the expressed viewpoint of the poster.

Example: Expressing a wish to see a player lynched but being reluctant to hammer for fear of being seen as too rash

 

Your case against me will have more weight.

this game is too chaotic for me...

Fluff post

 

Euclid are you really gonna accuse me of being scum just cuz i wrote something wrong??? That's the strategy here???

It doesn't do good if you're too reactive. If you're town, you should play better.

Posting walls or short posts is a play-style choice. It's not alignment indicative.

 

It's sad really that some players post short and meaningless ones even as town so it's hard to read them.

Woah woah I'm starting to see a pattern here. Why does my voting seem scummy. All kaz has done is throw random wild suspicions at me n Imran. That's not scum hunting, it's scum working to perfection and Euclid the new guy seems to be blowing their cover. They were both on Kev bandwagon n now trying to frame me. 

And associative tells without a flipped scum is bad and you should feel bad

 

OFF-TOPIC: NOOOOO WHERE'S MAH LIGHTNING NERAU

off topic: i am trying to get new stuff up  

Vote count 1.03
 

 

 

reign of terror (0) -

Kaziocore (2) - Rafay, Commander Shepard

Nerau (1) - Killgor,

killgor (1) - Lyner,

KevinH (1) - Xarastier,

Martino (0) – Imran Ehsan

Rafay (4) - Nerau, KevinH, Euclid of Alexandria, Kaziocore

Commander Shepard (0) -

Lyner (0) -

Imran Ehsan (0) -

Euclid of Alexandria (0) -

Xarastier (1) - reign of terror,
 

Not voting (1) - Martino,

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Rafay is currently the wagon leader at L-3

Deadline is Monday, May 6th, 2013 @ 23:20 PST

lol reply back if you have a better case against me.

 

Basically you're saying

1. Since I'm scum hunting, I'm automatically scum trying hard to get town cred (prove first I'm artificially scum hunting to get town cred)

2. I'm diverting attention to me (on the contrary, am I more vulnerable since I post a lot)

3. I advocated lynching lurkers (which I don't if you actually read my posts)

Interesting

If you could prove that I did the following

1) Something that (at first glance) looks like it helps the town but doesn't (and the "helper" should be aware of that.)

Example: Information over Analysis

2) Something that though seemingly pro-town conflicts with the expressed viewpoint of the poster.

Example: Expressing a wish to see a player lynched but being reluctant to hammer for fear of being seen as too rash

 

Your case against me will have more weight.

 

Well there is limited info available as you well know.

But generally the vibe I get from you leaves a bad scummy taste in my mouth.

Scum hunting is not why I am voting you, I am voting you mainly because I made clear I think your voting of Rafay is ridiculous.

I'm not even sure why you voted him, please explain why you voted him as I requested earlier.

 

And I generally don't like the voting pattern you would like us to take.

 

You didn't advocate lynching them and I was not referring to that.

 

 

 think the best course of action of the vig is to night kill the lurkers.

They're disadvantageous to the town especially if they are scum.

 

Even worse you want the vig to target a particular group who may or may not be scum and are likely to be comprised mostly as townies.

Avoiding attention away from the other groups, very unwise and I don't trust your reasons for this notion.

 

This isn't a case and I don't need to prove anything as I am not trying to make a case, so your expectations are flawed.

Your behavior is very suspicious and I don't trust your intentions.

I would almost say it was scummy that you called it a case.

Walls versus short posts... Now that he's gotten a few more posts in I'm quite okay with Nerau's 2 or 3 line posts. You can say a lot with just a few words or you can post a meaningless wall. Some of us still need to start contributing, most notably Xarastier and Martino, but tbh killgor, Rafay and reign of terror also have yet to put forward anything substantial IMO.
 
 

Also I forgot to mention it, there are 12 people, the chance of Martino being one of the killer is 25%, if he is mafia and we lynched him, good. If he is a townie and he is inactive then that won't be good as he can't support us except to prolong the game for a bit. But as it has been mentioned Martino should show up soon

 

That percentage is the same for everyone. Therefore it can't be used to select a lynch target. I agree that, all else being equal, lynching an inactive is better than lynching an active. However, if you don't have some sort of read from more than 100 posts, not even a slight hunch... then you shouldn't be playing mafia IMO. Just saying... all else ain't equal.

Incidentally, besides yourself there are 11 players, 3 of which are scum. So it's actually 27.3% not 25%. My point is however that by properly hunting scum and weighing in the information from our day talk we can get those odds up quite a bit.

 

It has been suggested, Lyner, that if you wish to use your vote to wake up lurkers you should move it to Xarastier. What say you?

lol... i don't find  the discussion done until now of much help. it looks to me like a bunch of headless chickens running around in circles blaming each other for things they might or might not have done. i hope however that in the days to come it will provide some insight into the motives of those who will still be alive. so it's doubtful that i will do a wall or accuse someone just for some probable misunderstanding on my part.

Walls versus short posts... Now that he's gotten a few more posts in I'm quite okay with Nerau's 2 or 3 line posts. You can say a lot with just a few words or you can post a meaningless wall. Some of us still need to start contributing, most notably Xarastier and Martino, but tbh killgor, Rafay and reign of terror also have yet to put forward anything substantial IMO.

 

 

Also I forgot to mention it, there are 12 people, the chance of Martino being one of the killer is 25%, if he is mafia and we lynched him, good. If he is a townie and he is inactive then that won't be good as he can't support us except to prolong the game for a bit. But as it has been mentioned Martino should show up soon

 

That percentage is the same for everyone. Therefore it can't be used to select a lynch target. I agree that, all else being equal, lynching an inactive is better than lynching an active. However, if you don't have some sort of read from more than 100 posts, not even a slight hunch... then you shouldn't be playing mafia IMO. Just saying... all else ain't equal.

 

Incidentally, besides yourself there are 11 players, 3 of which are scum. So it's actually 27.3% not 25%. My point is however that by properly hunting scum and weighing in the information from our day talk we can get those odds up quite a bit.

 

It has been suggested, Lyner, that if you wish to use your vote to wake up lurkers you should move it to Xarastier. What say you?

 

I do agree, see post #109

 

And fine, soon or not someone should start it, so

unvote: Killgor

vote: Xarastier

 

 

 

Also yeah killgor, it's day 1 afterall, that's how we should roll 

lol... i don't find  the discussion done until now of much help.

 

Then by all means put something helpful forward yourself.

 

 

it looks to me like a bunch of headless chickens running around in circles blaming each other for things they might or might not have done.

 

Okay.

 

 

i hope however that in the days to come it will provide some insight into the motives of those who will still be alive.

 

Which is exactly why us headless chickens are running around like that. Since you are not running along though, we will not likewise have any insight into your motives... other than that you try to hide them that is.

 

 

so it's doubtful that i will do a wall or accuse someone just for some probable misunderstanding on my part.

 

Does that mean that you will just keep random voting Nerau until the day ends?

doubtful. i will actually start switching votes quite soon probably.

Great. I look forward to that.

Ok, I am back. It is nice to see that this game has started with a high activity. My notes about most of the discussion so far:

 

I don't think KevinH did anything scummy, so I am not sure why he quickly attracted 4 votes.

I also don't think KevinH did anything early on that makes him town, so Reign of Terror stating that he believes KevinH to be town is interesting as well.

 

I like KevinH's idea to plan for our Vigilante. With two hostile night kills, I think it is vital that we use 'our' night kill well. I think the idea of making "shadow votes" to determine who the vigilante should kill is good as well. However, I would suggest that the vigilante is not completely bound to killing the one with the most shadow votes. If he strongly believes one of the other choices is more scummy, he should kill that one. His later suggestion that the vigilante kills someone who attracted many votes but was not lynched is interesting as well. It of course depends on the outcome of the lynch. If we end up lynching a cannibal, then the person with the second highest vote total would probably not be such a great target for the vigilante. 

 

Kazio suggests the Vigilante should kill inactives. I don't necessarily like the idea of simply killing people off because they are inactive. It does force the scum to be more active and that gives them more opportunities to make a mistake. However, I am not sure the percentage of scum amongst the inactive players is significantly higher than amongst the active ones. So it looks a lot like a random kill though with the benefit of forcing the scum to be somewhat more active. I would prefer to target suspicious players over inactives ones though.

 

Commander Shepard brings up a good point about the Dietician. Normally, I am in favor of playing it rather conservative as a town power role. You know that you will die the moment you reveal yourself, so you should have enough information to make your death worth it. However, with three possible night kills each night, I think that the risk of our dietician being nightkilled is too large. So I would propose that he claims as soon as he finds a cannibal.

 

Finally I will:

 

vote Lyner

 

Lyner seemed to be the most vocal about lynching me because I was inactive. I announced in the sign up thread that I would be busy until today, and Kazio and a few others even clearly mentioned it here. Therefore, it seems like he is just looking for an easy lynch rather than trying to find scum.

Great to see you arrive at the scene Martino!

 

I must say though... I find your first post to be kind of scummy.

Good God!!! Seriously can you believe these 2. Why do you spread so much confusion? That's scummy. Euclid and Kaz better improve your gameplay playas your gonna get caught. Every1 is scummy except you 2?

Not everyone no.