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[Narsis]

The only basis of his vote was the WIFOM and "breadcrumb". Which I've debunked so many times. How is that a good one? How is that better than anything you have seen? If I die and vindicated, remember it was Narsis and mole dancing the tango.

simply because it's the only one. i have yet to see any other cases made that can't be considered random.

[Electric Mango]

I don't understand the argument that Mole would be trying to act like a druggie. Why would anyone want someone to believe the are anything but pro-town?

Falzis' argument does not make sense to me. I do like the fact that he's posting a lot and giving strong opinions. This gives him some extra townie points in my book. You all know I like it when people don't hide their thoughts and Falzis is definitely coming out and expressing himself well. Mole's 2nd vote on him though make me suspect that Mole may know more than he's letting on. Maybe Mole is a druggie and he's trying to get rid of a mafia player (Falzis). In any case I'll be watching this thread with great interest.


Very good debate going on so far. I hope this continues into the future days as well.

[molestargazer]

Mole's 2nd vote on him though make me suspect that Mole may know more than he's letting on.

What do you mean? I've only voted for him once, iirc.

[Narsis]

ok so this has been bugging me...what's iirc mean?

[molestargazer]

If I remember correctly.

[Narsis]

ah thank you.

and now back to your regularly scheduled game of mafia...

[KevinH]

The fact that I don't understand Falzis' arguments tips the scales against him in my opinion.

It's not that he protests too much. It's that the protest doesn't make sense.

[Falzis]

I don't know if you guys really poured over what I've written... but here goes again for emphasis

tl;dr (ok maybe this isn't a tl;dr) of why I thought mole was scummy was

1. He said RVS is over. I don't know why anyone would say such a thing and how one person can just say RVS is over. It implies that his vote is for certain. Which was based on a WIFOM, which is a weak ground if I might say so having debunked it already. So this looked scummy to me because...

2. He was riding on an easy picking (me). Maybe I was chosen because I seemed an easy target to portray as scum by baiting me to be overly reactive (which I naturally am) and make a mistake, OR that even if others viewed me as townie that I would be dispensable given my "record" of "throwing the game".

3. Of course my personal reason, that why would he vote for me on a weak WIFOM? Knowing I am townie, I don't see any reason really to vote for me unrandomly (he said RVS is over). So thinking out my thoughts I said he could be a druggie (wanting to mislead townies to lynch a townie on D1 and not attract a lynch on following days since he won't be seen as a druggie - a townie was killed) or a mafia pretending to be a druggie (wanting to preempt and coopt druggies and lynch a townie on D1 and not attract a lynch on following days since he won't be seen as a druggie - a townie was killed).

So if you compare our reasoning:

mole's - that I am a druggie because of my WIFOM and breadcrumb statements, which I will always compare to Kevin's and others WIFOMing and which I've already debunked the possibility of me breadcrumbing...

vs.

mine - that mole is scummy because of a poorly grounded vote and questionable motives to kill me and my protestations not to die early in the game...



I won't get why the scale would be against me. With all the words I've written, it's easy to get lost and contradict myself. But I've been totally consistent and can repeat what I've said again and again even if I'm misrepped.

I unvoted you mole because I don't think I need to strengthen my case with you with a vote. If I persuade people to vote for you, lucky me. If not (like Kevin), so be it.

Less talk, less mistakes some would say. But playing under the radar was never my style. If I get burned by my loquaciousness, well, silly me. Oh well, it's tiring to type again and again if my posts don't make sense to the great Kevin.

[KevinH]

it's easy to get lost and contradict myself.

But I've been totally consistent

My point exactly ...

If not (like Kevin), so be it.

I'll make it official.

Vote: Falzis

[Falzis]

So... you vote for me for being consistent?

[KevinH]

Stating "it's easy ... to contradict myself" followed by "I've been totally consistent" is not consistent.

You were correct in the first part!

[Narsis]

i've said it twice already and i'll say it again: you believe mole is pretending to be a druggie. but that cannot be since he believes you to be a druggie.

if he's pretending to be a druggie and calling you a druggie...then technically he is outing his partner.

thus he can't be pretending to be a druggie.

can't say it any simpler then that...

also, Unvote i believe my RVS vote was still in play...don't want it to get confused as a real vote.

also...mod: votecount please.

[Falzis]

Again, you're following him too blindly. At least Kevin was willing to review mole in totality. I'm just laughing at your stance Narsis. Your whole point depends on the assumption that mole's belief that I am a druggie to be correct. But why would you believe that wholeheartedly? Unless...

[Falzis]

Stating "it's easy ... to contradict myself" followed by "I've been totally consistent" is not consistent.

You were correct in the first part!

Again, where's the point? I don't get it. :OSHIALION:

[Narsis]

Again, you're following him too blindly. At least Kevin was willing to review mole in totality. I'm just laughing at your stance Narsis. Your whole point depends on the assumption that mole's belief that I am a druggie to be correct. But why would you believe that wholeheartedly? Unless...

why do i believe that? simply because he believes that was a breadcrumb you dropped. the only faction that would drop a breadcrumb like that are druggies. thus he must think you are a druggie.

[Electric Mango]

why do i believe that? simply because he believes that was a breadcrumb you dropped. the only faction that would drop a breadcrumb like that are druggies. thus he must think you are a druggie.

Kevin, is this correct?

[CanucksDynasty]

why do i believe that? simply because he believes that was a breadcrumb you dropped. the only faction that would drop a breadcrumb like that are druggies. thus he must think you are a druggie.

Why only druggies and not mafia?

[molestargazer]

1. He said RVS is over. I don't know why anyone would say such a thing and how one person can just say RVS is over. It implies that his vote is for certain. Which was based on a WIFOM, which is a weak ground if I might say so having debunked it already. So this looked scummy to me because...

I'm losing track of how many times I have to say this. Saying RVS is over does !NOT! imply that my vote is certain. Never has, never will.

2. He was riding on an easy picking (me). Maybe I was chosen because I seemed an easy target to portray as scum by baiting me to be overly reactive (which I naturally am) and make a mistake, OR that even if others viewed me as townie that I would be dispensable given my "record" of "throwing the game".

Stop playing the damned newbie card. You are not a new player any more. If anything, your constant responses have proved this.
I picked on you for the WIFOM and breadcrumb. No more, no less.

3. Of course my personal reason, that why would he vote for me on a weak WIFOM? Knowing I am townie, I don't see any reason really to vote for me unrandomly (he said RVS is over).

1. Stop going on about the damn RVS thing.
2. It was the best reason I had at the time. At no point did I say it was a vote intended to lynch you.

mole's - that I am a little bit scummy because of my WIFOM and breadcrumb statements

mine - that mole is scummy because of a poorly grounded vote and questionable motives to kill me and my protestations not to die early in the game...

Fixed.
1. The vote was in no way unreasonable.
2. At the time of the vote, I was not trying to kill you.
3. Your 'protestations' have poor logic.

Your refusal to listen to what I'm saying is starting to get on my nerves.
I've answered all of your problems against me SEVERAL TIMES, yet you continue to use the same logic against me in some hope of getting me lynched.

This vote is now serious. People, vote Falzis.

I unvoted you mole because I don't think I need to strengthen my case with you with a vote. If I persuade people to vote for you, lucky me. If not (like Kevin), so be it.

You should always make your case as strong as possible. I don't buy this.

[molestargazer]

EBWOP

mole's - that I am a little bit scummy because of my WIFOM and breadcrumb statements

Fixed.

mine - that mole is scummy because of a poorly grounded vote and questionable motives to kill me and my protestations not to die early in the game...

1. The vote was in no way unreasonable.
2. At the time of the vote, I was not trying to kill you.
3. Your 'protestations' have poor logic.

[Narsis]

Why only druggies and not mafia?

it's the breadcrumb! if it really is a breadcrumb, which mole seems to believe, the only faction that could post that as a breadcrumb are the druggies.

@EM: i'm talking about mole not Kevin...T.T