346 replies to this topic

[Rafay]

Newt Gingrich

 

The Fox News is strong with you. 

 

Trump will not go after Cruz too hard on the citizenship thing, because I think he's got him pegged as his running mate...

 

Wow that's interesting. I haven't heard about it. Wasn't there a dream Rubio/Cruz ticket being talked about first? 

 

So the Republicans are also planning to axe the Obamacare this year as Ted Cruz said to an interview to Fox on New Year's eve what else is proposed to slim down the budget. And your  thoughts on Obama looking to use Executive Action on Gun Control. I mean all the 1st world has restricted gun ownership, isn't it time that America makes laws that not completely ban ownership but make sure that responsible people get it at least. Couldn't there be a compromise like the entire history of US cold be based on this word from constitutional to Louisiana; Americans are good at compromising.

[Lysistrata]

I'm not ignoring you Rafay... I would never do that because I like you too damn much, but I have to leave now, I have a big night tonight and I can't tolerate quick and incomplete answers, so I will delay this response until tomorrow morning. I'll be fresh with a full cup of Italian Roast espresso, and maybe I'll have the debate watched by then as well.

[Icewolf]

Well, I'm not a legal scholar, but I can tell you what's going on.

 

Ted Cruz was born in Canada, his mother an American, and his father a Cuban.

 

The term "natural born citizen" is the debate. It has never been taken on in the Supreme Court, so it's determination is still up in the air. Some believe that if you have an American parent, it doesn't matter where you are born. Some believe you have to be born on American soil to be a natural born American citizen.

 

Two examples have come up recently. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, with an American mother and a Kenyan father. Some believe he was born in Kenya and wanted him disqualified. If you side with Ted Cruz that he can run... then you have to concede that even if Barack Obama was born in Kenya, he would still be a natural born citizen. Another example is John McCain. He was born in Panama, with American parents. The Panama Canal zone was American territory at the time, so problems with him running never got off the ground.

 

If Cruz wins the nomination, Democrats will object and it will go to court. It really needs to be finally determined by the Supremes.

 

Hope this helps

No Court would ever rule Cruz as ineligible for President after the election. Politics would ensure the judges voted the correct way. 

 

I also don't see the Democrats (meaning the party) going for court over it for the same reason the Republicans (meaning the party) didn't go after Obama. Its political suicide to try and overturn elections by court without serious evidence of voter fraud.

 

But it does mean that Trump is desperate. If your only major attack can be "waaaaaah you maybe on a technical and somewhat desperate reading of a vague term in the constitution could be open to legal problems" then you are struggling to find major attacks.  

[Rafay]

I'm not ignoring you Rafay... I would never do that because I like you too damn much, but I have to leave now, I have a big night tonight and I can't tolerate quick and incomplete answers, so I will delay this response until tomorrow morning. I'll be fresh with a full cup of Italian Roast espresso, and maybe I'll have the debate watched by then as well.

 

Stay safe bro. Enjoy. 

[Decide R Inchief]

This group of candidates makes me wonder if Idiocracy was a documentary. The fact that a reality TV star is a leading candidate in a major American political party is an embarrassment. This isn't Dancing With The Stars, this is the presidency!

[Lysistrata]

The Fox News is strong with you. 

I would never deny this. Fox News is our default channel, and is on in two rooms most of the time we are at home, and a lot of the time when we fall asleep with it on. Newt Gingrich was a paid Fox contributor up until he announced his run for President in 2012, they parted ways for obvious reasons, and to my knowledge has never been offered to return.

 

So the Republicans are also planning to axe the Obamacare this year as Ted Cruz said to an interview to Fox on New Year's eve what else is proposed to slim down the budget. And your  thoughts on Obama looking to use Executive Action on Gun Control. I mean all the 1st world has restricted gun ownership, isn't it time that America makes laws that not completely ban ownership but make sure that responsible people get it at least. Couldn't there be a compromise like the entire history of US cold be based on this word from constitutional to Louisiana; Americans are good at compromising.

Every Republican has the repeal of Obamacare on their short list of the first things to do. Obama was forced to veto it for the first time last week since Paul Ryan became Speaker of the House, and it had passed both the House and the Senate. All we need now is a Republican President, and it's gone.

 

Obama is using Executive Orders because contrary to what he said in his State of the Union address, he has never worked with Congress on anything... ever. He didn't even work with Congress when Democrats had super majorities his first two years in office. The first two years he said to Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid... "Send a Bill to my desk, and I'll sign it". That's it. He never worked with anyone.

 

When the Republicans took over the House... he refused to work with them at all. When the Republicans took over the Senate in 2012... he began his long four years of issuing Executive Orders in an attempt to change existing laws by himself. He cannot do this, and any other President would face impeachment for doing what he has done. The only reason he has not been thrown out of office... is because he's the first black President. He has been challenging impeachment for years, because he knows he holds the race card. It's despicable.

 

Executive Orders cannot create new laws... they can only direct how existing laws are enforced. Any time Obama issues an Executive Order that "changes" a law, it gets challenged in court, and he loses. That's why we have legalized marijuana in a few states, because Obama and the Justice Department are not "enforcing" the Federal laws on pot. If we get a President that wants those laws enforced... then a lot of stoners will be going to prison. That's why I believe they should repeal the Federal laws on this crap, and get in line with the States having a right to govern much their own business.

 

Obama can't take the guns... he is merely tightening the enforcement of existing law. The 2nd Amendment is not up for debate... it's a Constitutional "right"... therefore can only be breached by a new amendment, and he'll never get that. Terrorists will not be buying their weapons at a Gun Show. It's totally stupid, and only designed to harass law abiding gun owners and change the subject from National Security... to "Gun Control". When it comes to protecting citizens, Democrats are weak, and if National Security is the highest concern of the people, they will lose every time. That's why they are desperately trying to change the subject to those issues that divide the country.

[Lysistrata]

 

Well, I'm not a legal scholar, but I can tell you what's going on.

 

Ted Cruz was born in Canada, his mother an American, and his father a Cuban.

 

The term "natural born citizen" is the debate. It has never been taken on in the Supreme Court, so it's determination is still up in the air. Some believe that if you have an American parent, it doesn't matter where you are born. Some believe you have to be born on American soil to be a natural born American citizen.

 

Two examples have come up recently. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, with an American mother and a Kenyan father. Some believe he was born in Kenya and wanted him disqualified. If you side with Ted Cruz that he can run... then you have to concede that even if Barack Obama was born in Kenya, he would still be a natural born citizen. Another example is John McCain. He was born in Panama, with American parents. The Panama Canal zone was American territory at the time, so problems with him running never got off the ground.

 

If Cruz wins the nomination, Democrats will object and it will go to court. It really needs to be finally determined by the Supremes.

 

Hope this helps

No Court would ever rule Cruz as ineligible for President after the election. Politics would ensure the judges voted the correct way. 

 

I also don't see the Democrats (meaning the party) going for court over it for the same reason the Republicans (meaning the party) didn't go after Obama. Its political suicide to try and overturn elections by court without serious evidence of voter fraud.

 

But it does mean that Trump is desperate. If your only major attack can be "waaaaaah you maybe on a technical and somewhat desperate reading of a vague term in the constitution could be open to legal problems" then you are struggling to find major attacks.  

 

It's already begun Ice... Alan Grayson, a loudmouth Democrat from Florida has already stated he would challenge a Ted Cruz nomination in court. It must be heard by the Supreme Court, or there will be big problems down the road. Donald Trump is correct on every point.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/266039-attorney-files-birther-lawsuit-against-cruz

[Rafay]

Every Republican has the repeal of Obamacare on their short list of the first things to do.

 

So what's the alternative? Doesn't the US deserve a system like NHS in UK? They even give away free contraception which already is cheap to begin with!!!

 

 

 

he is merely tightening the enforcement of existing law.

 

I think I'll support him on this one. Too many innocents have died cuz idiots get guns easily. If a guy like you who is sound of mind and knows gun safety and stuff then he shouldn't worry as you'll be able to purchase them but those who are you know a little cuckoo, well they shouldn't be playing w/ such things.

 

 

 

Terrorists will not be buying their weapons at a Gun Show

 

Exactly. So why give them a chance to get them at shops which is easier than getting through smuggling or black market. The UK has a very very low murder rate than the US despite having the highest in Western Europe, that's cuz the murderers use knives and those can cause a lot of damage but not as lethal as guns. I personally saw a guy in my rotations who was stabbed 9 times but survived despite losing a ton of blood as no major organ was damaged but people w/ just i or 2 GSWs die despite getting quick treatment and repair as the bullet itself creates a septic reaction and metallic poisoning. So homicide can be prevented by greatly reducing fire-arm ownership. But that's my observation.

 

And the argument that 'good guy w/ gun can stop the bad guy w/ gun' is beyond me as in vast majority of cases in the US it was the Law Enforcement agencies that eventually put an hold to these violent incidents. 

[Lysistrata]

So what's the alternative? Doesn't the US deserve a system like NHS in UK? They even give away free contraception which already is cheap to begin with!!!

Nobody "deserves" healthcare. We already had Medicaid for the poor, CHIPS for children, and Medicare for Seniors. Everybody else always had the option to purchase insurance through their employer... if it was offered, and most did. Really if you were uninsured it was your own fault because you didn't want to spend the money on it. "Damn, if I pay for that health insurance... I won't have the money for WarCraft". Emergency rooms are required by law to treat anyone who comes in the door, so this became "healthcare" for every deadbeat who didn't want to pay for it. This caused prices to go up on everyone to cover what the deadbeats refused to pay.

 

Enter Obamacare... which expands Medicaid and drives insurance prices higher, and higher, and higher... on everyone.

 

So, the alternative is a clear understanding that life is not free, and the responsibility of taking care of your life is directly on you, plus of course, anyone else you can get to care about you... but then you would have to be a nice person. I have no problem giving anyone the option to buy into Medicaid, if they choose to to that. Problem solved.

 

I think I'll support him on this one. Too many innocents have died cuz idiots get guns easily. If a guy like you who is sound of mind and knows gun safety and stuff then he shouldn't worry as you'll be able to purchase them but those who are you know a little cuckoo, well they shouldn't be playing w/ such things.

 

We already require background checks to by guns. Criminals cannot buy guns in shops, they will get them on the black market, or steal them. The problem with "not selling a gun to a crazy person" is... Who will determine who is "crazy"? There is this little problem called Doctor-Patient Confidentiality, where doctors are not allowed to divulge information about their patients. Even if they knew a patient was as coo-coo as coco-puffs... they can't tell a soul. We can only go by what's on record.

[Rafay]

Doctor-Patient Confidentiality

 

Agreed but the doc won't just tell everybody. They'll tell only the Govt. as those checks will be mandated by the govt.

 

 

 

So, the alternative is a clear understanding that life is not free, and the responsibility of taking care of your life is directly on you

 

 

 

Personally, a welfare state is much more appealing to me where not only those who are unfortunate but everyone is looked after by the govt. Benefits, free food, health and education; I believe are human rights and the state owes this much to everybody who wants it. Maybe its cuz of the environment I work in; a public hospital where everybody is treated free of cost by the govt. Those who want can pay full price. Like a CT Scan costs 160 $ here in pvt radio centres but we do it for 20 $ but some people choose to pay the full price cuz they don't want to be handed down anything. That's the kinda world I want.

[Icewolf]

Well, I'm not a legal scholar, but I can tell you what's going on.

Ted Cruz was born in Canada, his mother an American, and his father a Cuban.

The term "natural born citizen" is the debate. It has never been taken on in the Supreme Court, so it's determination is still up in the air. Some believe that if you have an American parent, it doesn't matter where you are born. Some believe you have to be born on American soil to be a natural born American citizen.

Two examples have come up recently. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, with an American mother and a Kenyan father. Some believe he was born in Kenya and wanted him disqualified. If you side with Ted Cruz that he can run... then you have to concede that even if Barack Obama was born in Kenya, he would still be a natural born citizen. Another example is John McCain. He was born in Panama, with American parents. The Panama Canal zone was American territory at the time, so problems with him running never got off the ground.

If Cruz wins the nomination, Democrats will object and it will go to court. It really needs to be finally determined by the Supremes.

Hope this helps

No Court would ever rule Cruz as ineligible for President after the election. Politics would ensure the judges voted the correct way.

I also don't see the Democrats (meaning the party) going for court over it for the same reason the Republicans (meaning the party) didn't go after Obama. Its political suicide to try and overturn elections by court without serious evidence of voter fraud.

But it does mean that Trump is desperate. If your only major attack can be "waaaaaah you maybe on a technical and somewhat desperate reading of a vague term in the constitution could be open to legal problems" then you are struggling to find major attacks.

It's already begun Ice... Alan Grayson, a loudmouth Democrat from Florida has already stated he would challenge a Ted Cruz nomination in court. It must be heard by the Supreme Court, or there will be big problems down the road. Donald Trump is correct on every point.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/266039-attorney-files-birther-lawsuit-against-cruz

I said that the party wouldn't back such lawsuits. Not that a few crazies wouldn't try.

But I don't see it having any more impact on things than the nutjob birthers when Obama was elected.

[Lysistrata]

Ted Cruz made a tactical error. He's the only candidate to seriously challenge the Trump freight train that has dominated the polling since Kate Steinle was gunned down in San Francisco by a six time deported illegal. In an effort to solidify his support in Iowa, he came out talking about Donald Trump, and his "New York Values". Now the people in Iowa would eat this up, but this type of division does not play well with Americans on a national stage.

 

This was brought up in the debate Thursday, and Ted, with a masters stroke, laid out what he meant... he was totally unprepared for the response from Donald Trump. No one has seen any emotion or empathy from Trump, until now, and it was nuclear. In an effort to boost his numbers in Iowa, I believe Ted Cruz signed his own resignation letter from the campaign. Even Bill Mahr, the HBO liberal comedian/political talk show host, said on his premier show last night that he now believes Trump will win the nomination, and be the next President. Donald Trump has now put New York in play, and where New York goes, so goes other Blue States. This is a populist campaign on the Republican side this time... the establishment will have to fall in line or lose their party. They will fall in line, just like establishment Democrats had to do with Obama in '08.

 

I have been a Rubio/Cruz guy since Scott Walker came in like lightning, and sputtered out like a light switch.

I am now a Trump/Rubio guy, and may God have mercy on our souls.

[DeathMerchant]

Sure is going to be an interesting year. I will very much be looking forward to the debates once both parties select a candidate.

[ccabal86]

 
 
 
Personally, a welfare state is much more appealing to me where not only those who are unfortunate but everyone is looked after by the govt. Benefits, free food, health and education; I believe are human rights and the state owes this much to everybody who wants it. Maybe its cuz of the environment I work in; a public hospital where everybody is treated free of cost by the govt. Those who want can pay full price. Like a CT Scan costs 160 $ here in pvt radio centres but we do it for 20 $ but some people choose to pay the full price cuz they don't want to be handed down anything. That's the kinda world I want.

Welfare states sound good on paper, and can be pulled off if you have a sufficiently strong economy to back it up. If you don't, however it will turn to suck. Look to Central-Eastern European countries for example. The healthcare system in Hungary is 100% state-owned, and in theory every citizen has access to free treatment with whateever malady. In reality, this does not work at all. Despite the fact that a good portion of my salary is automatically deducted to finance the healthcare system, I go to a private doctor every time I need something checked, because the "freely" available system provides very low-quality service with months-long waiting lists for the simplest procedures. This essentially means that I have to funnel money into a system that I do not wish to use at all, while I still have to pay full price to the private practitioners when I do need medical attention.

[Lysistrata]

 

 
 
 
Personally, a welfare state is much more appealing to me where not only those who are unfortunate but everyone is looked after by the govt. Benefits, free food, health and education; I believe are human rights and the state owes this much to everybody who wants it. Maybe its cuz of the environment I work in; a public hospital where everybody is treated free of cost by the govt. Those who want can pay full price. Like a CT Scan costs 160 $ here in pvt radio centres but we do it for 20 $ but some people choose to pay the full price cuz they don't want to be handed down anything. That's the kinda world I want.

Welfare states sound good on paper, and can be pulled off if you have a sufficiently strong economy to back it up. If you don't, however it will turn to suck. Look to Central-Eastern European countries for example. The healthcare system in Hungary is 100% state-owned, and in theory every citizen has access to free treatment with whateever malady. In reality, this does not work at all. Despite the fact that a good portion of my salary is automatically deducted to finance the healthcare system, I go to a private doctor every time I need something checked, because the "freely" available system provides very low-quality service with months-long waiting lists for the simplest procedures. This essentially means that I have to funnel money into a system that I do not wish to use at all, while I still have to pay full price to the private practitioners when I do need medical attention.

 

Socialism always works on paper... but people are not paper, and human need and greed will always bust through the rigid limitations that are required to be maintained. I'm surprised that it's still legal for you to see a private doctor. I'm surprised you still have private doctors.  That will be the next step into pure Communism... when you no longer have anything private. I hope the best for you Sir.

[ccabal86]

 

 

 
 
 
Personally, a welfare state is much more appealing to me where not only those who are unfortunate but everyone is looked after by the govt. Benefits, free food, health and education; I believe are human rights and the state owes this much to everybody who wants it. Maybe its cuz of the environment I work in; a public hospital where everybody is treated free of cost by the govt. Those who want can pay full price. Like a CT Scan costs 160 $ here in pvt radio centres but we do it for 20 $ but some people choose to pay the full price cuz they don't want to be handed down anything. That's the kinda world I want.

Welfare states sound good on paper, and can be pulled off if you have a sufficiently strong economy to back it up. If you don't, however it will turn to suck. Look to Central-Eastern European countries for example. The healthcare system in Hungary is 100% state-owned, and in theory every citizen has access to free treatment with whateever malady. In reality, this does not work at all. Despite the fact that a good portion of my salary is automatically deducted to finance the healthcare system, I go to a private doctor every time I need something checked, because the "freely" available system provides very low-quality service with months-long waiting lists for the simplest procedures. This essentially means that I have to funnel money into a system that I do not wish to use at all, while I still have to pay full price to the private practitioners when I do need medical attention.

 

Socialism always works on paper... but people are not paper, and human need and greed will always bust through the rigid limitations that are required to be maintained. I'm surprised that it's still legal for you to see a private doctor. I'm surprised you still have private doctors.  That will be the next step into pure Communism... when you no longer have anything private. I hope the best for you Sir.

 

 

It's a remainder from the socialist years, healthcare was not privatized like many other sectors. It's the same dysfunctional system as it was back then. Doctors can have private practices, hell there are even private clinics and even a few private hospitals, but you have to foot the bill entirely by yourself. Or if you have a health insurance ON TOP of what you're obligated to pay the state, it might cover the cost of your treatment there. It's like two parallel worlds.

[Lysistrata]

Oh yeah, I get it... you are going through the pain of growing away from the Communist system. Things will get better when more people are able to let go of the bad service. Good luck!

[Rafay]

That will be the next step into pure Communism... when you no longer have anything private. I hope the best for you Sir.

 

Actually that's what I wish for everyday. Like I said man, Capitalism is only for the rich not the poor. How can I back the system which makes the strong; stronger and the weak more oppressed.

 

Oh yeah, I get it... you are going through the pain of growing away from the Communist system.

 

Where id you get that impression? I'm moving at full speed to the left. I think I'm already there though; kill all the bankers, stock brokers and all the money hoarders. Eliminate the classes and empower the masses.

[Lysistrata]

 

That will be the next step into pure Communism... when you no longer have anything private. I hope the best for you Sir.

 

Actually that's what I wish for everyday. Like I said man, Capitalism is only for the rich not the poor. How can I back the system which makes the strong; stronger and the weak more oppressed.

 

 

 

Oh yeah, I get it... you are going through the pain of growing away from the Communist system.

 

Where id you get that impression? I'm moving at full speed to the left. I think I'm already there though; kill all the bankers, stock brokers and all the money hoarders. Eliminate the classes and empower the masses.

 

I was talking to ccabal about his healthcare situation, not about your full speed direction. Your plan to "empower the masses" does nothing to "improve the masses"... it only involves stealing success from those that succeed. You end up with a society where no one will even bother to succeed. There is no longer a reason to make an effort.

 

You are a young man, and everyone goes through a period in their life when solutions seem to be so easy. I like to call Democrats the "wouldn't it be nice" party. Wouldn't it be nice if no one was hungry? Wouldn't it be nice if no one lived on the street?... if everyone had the best doctors... if no one ever needed a gun?... if everyone just got along?... the list goes on and on.

 

Then one day you either become a hippy, or realize that what you have been thinking is total fantasy. You will find your way.

[Rafay]

Then one day you either become a hippy, or realize that what you have been thinking is total fantasy. You will find your way.

 

Its not. It can happen. All is needed is effort and will. We are living in the space age and you're telling me that we can send missions to space but the lack the tech, brains and money to fight starvation and disease.

 

You end up with a society where no one will even bother to succeed.

 

Nope. Everyone has to work for the state. You have to earn what you need. Meritocracy. There will be no leeches or free loaders. Those who work hard for the collective system will have full stomachs, shelter, clothes and free health, education, etc. Those not willing to work; well they'll have themselves to blame.