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[Lysistrata]

Greetings PresidentMueller, I enjoy new opinions here, especially those that will be voting.

 

Your idea for VP is interesting, but it would never work. There once was a time when the election for President was a list of names, and the one who took the second most votes was designated VP. I'm not sure why this ended, but there must have been a reason. VP is a thankless job... they break ties in Senate votes, show up to events that the President doesn't want to do, and his boss is the President. If a Democrat was elected President and was forced by law to have a Republican VP, they would never trust each other, work together, or even be seen together. It would be a very bad relationship and end up with very public expressions of middle fingers. Plus we have more than two political parties and that would cause endless court battles over rights.

 

Bernie loves to make promises he can't keep. We don't have the 18 trillion dollars to pay for his freebies, and do you think Congress will just say "Whatever you want Bernie... we just love you man"? It will not ever happen.

 

Trump won't drift to the center, in many ways he's already there. He's not a conservative, nor is he a liberal. He wants what will make the country stronger, richer, and more confident. The only way he will lose the nomination is for many candidates to drop out, and then their support has to go to someone else... I'm not sure this will happen, and if this continues, he will sweep the first 3, 4, or 5 states, and then there would be no real way to stop him.

 

I believe Trumps real strength has not even taken shape yet. He's a celebrity, everyone knows him, and he will get votes from everywhere. Many Democrats, Independents, Blacks, Women, Seniors, and yes even Hispanics, will vote for him because he's a star, they think he's funny, or they just don't trust Clinton. No one can deny his ability to get things done... he's built a 10 billion dollar empire all by himself. Many have made more than Trump, but they didn't do it alone like he has. We shall see.

[Shahenshah]

Lys, you're a hopeless optimist. Remember how Romney lost the minority vote because he had to shift too much to satisfy the crazy base to clear the primaries. Now imagine that whole lot of crazy is 10x more. If Trump gets the ticket, the Republican defeat would be even greater than the one Obama handed to them. 

[Lysistrata]

I'm a Rubio/Cruz guy... I just look at the way things are. Donald Trump is no Mitt Romney, and Hillary Clinton is no Barack Obama. Clinton will not get the black support Obama did, she won't even get the Democrat support Obama did. It doesn't matter who she runs against, people don't like her. Democrats are notorious for not turning out, and it will be even worse after any of these people get finished ripping her apart in debates. She has a buttload of titles, but nothing to show for it, and she has more scandals than titles. All eyes are on the Republican field, and no one is paying attention to Hillary yet. We shall see.

[Shahenshah]

That's where Sanders will come in and swoop things up, he's giving that Obama vibe to bring the democrat base out. Rubio is looking to be the most 'electable' candidate out of the field here, but he'll need to breakthrough the primaries. I think Cruz is Republican VP material and not the P, he'll face some of the same issues Trump will be facing if he goes into national elections. So Rubio will bring a nice balance while Cruz can be kept around to keep the extreme end all fired up. 

 

What the Republicans are missing is someone of the caliber of James Baker.

 

Bush is done IMO and Carson is busy imploding. 

Edited by Shahenshah, 27 November 2015 - 08:35 PM.

[onbekende]

Just saying, I see Trump walking out on the Chinese president cause of "he didn't take my order". I really do...

 

As president (the political/social leader of whatever country), you want a person the least people dislike. You don't want someone who can both fill a stadium with rabbid fans and make the streets around it black from the masses protesting against him/her.

 

Sadly, you guys have no-one foolish enough to fit that line, you do however have "reality TV", enjoy?

[Icewolf]

Greetings PresidentMueller, I enjoy new opinions here, especially those that will be voting.

 

Your idea for VP is interesting, but it would never work. There once was a time when the election for President was a list of names, and the one who took the second most votes was designated VP. I'm not sure why this ended, but there must have been a reason. VP is a thankless job... they break ties in Senate votes, show up to events that the President doesn't want to do, and his boss is the President. If a Democrat was elected President and was forced by law to have a Republican VP, they would never trust each other, work together, or even be seen together. It would be a very bad relationship and end up with very public expressions of middle fingers. Plus we have more than two political parties and that would cause endless court battles over rights.

 

Bernie loves to make promises he can't keep. We don't have the 18 trillion dollars to pay for his freebies, and do you think Congress will just say "Whatever you want Bernie... we just love you man"? It will not ever happen.

 

Trump won't drift to the center, in many ways he's already there. He's not a conservative, nor is he a liberal. He wants what will make the country stronger, richer, and more confident. The only way he will lose the nomination is for many candidates to drop out, and then their support has to go to someone else... I'm not sure this will happen, and if this continues, he will sweep the first 3, 4, or 5 states, and then there would be no real way to stop him.

 

I believe Trumps real strength has not even taken shape yet. He's a celebrity, everyone knows him, and he will get votes from everywhere. Many Democrats, Independents, Blacks, Women, Seniors, and yes even Hispanics, will vote for him because he's a star, they think he's funny, or they just don't trust Clinton. No one can deny his ability to get things done... he's built a 10 billion dollar empire all by himself. Many have made more than Trump, but they didn't do it alone like he has. We shall see.

I just want to throw in here that Trump's tax plan would reduce tax reveneue by 10 trillion over his proposed presidency. So if you want to say you don't have the money for Sander's giveaways, you also don't have them for Trump's fiscal insanity that is his tax plan. 

 

Also, as for his popularity, and his sweep to power, note that in "head to head" polls, he is he only Republican frontrunner that consistently loses to Clinton. 

 

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

[Lysistrata]

I don't like Trumps tax plan. Any tax plan that doesn't dissolve the IRS and flatten out this destructive, progressive, crap plan we have now... I will not be in favor of. Trumps plan only rearranges the numbers and proposes a new set of goals and promises that government cannot ever deliver.  To be fair, his plan involves honestly reducing unemployment and getting our labor participation rate back to where it really belongs. Democrats are very proud of their achievement from the Obama, Clinton, Reid, and Pelosi years... they have successfully fenced in millions of people into the slavery of government dependency. It is our goal as Republicans... to set them free again.

[Icewolf]

Just taken another swing by Trump's website. It doesn't say a damn thing about how growth will be achieved. So I don't think you can credit him with a plan to "honestly reduce unemployment." Especially as his day 1 policy is to start a trade war with your neighbor. 

 

And the other reason his tax plan is shite is because he wants to fund Revenue reductions with a one off capital boost. It does not work that way. He cites this US companies having 2.5 trillion offshore he wants them to repatriate in exchange for a 10% levy. So at most that's a one off 250 billion sum. Over the 8 years of his proposed presidency, his income tax cuts for the lowest households (those that currently pay the least income tax) cost (by the figures on his website) 600 billion. That would be the best case scenario. In a real life scenario, he maybe gets a one off payment of 100 billion and expects it to make a significant fiscal contribution. Its 12.5 billion ish a year over 8 years and you've still hacked back your income tax reciepts on a permanent basis. 

 

Given he claims to be a business master, it shows how deceitful he is that he wants to fund reduction in revenue with one off capital.

 

As for closing loopholes, every politician under the sun promises to close loopholes. Its the least imaginative fiscal strategy on the planet, and consequently one of the lowest. 

 

 

And for the presumed link between corporation tax and economic growth, I know it is a popular justification, but Germany has a corporation tax of 30% and a personal income tax of nearly 50%. Its economy does pretty well. 

 

Ireland on the other hand long had a 15% corporation tax. Their economy....not so great.

[Lysistrata]

High time to quit playing politics with the economy and get real. The only way to fix it is to get everyone paying taxes and cut spending across the board. The USA needs a new breed of Federal Government that lives by a solemn oath of the very meaning of the words... "It's none of our business". The criminal practice of stealing money from people that earn it only to waste it on special interests, must end. Every time government thinks they can fix a problem, it only creates a bigger problem. It's time to allow the Constitution to be what it was always meant to be... an unbreakable vow to "We the people", that we would never have a government more powerful than us. That's something our fathers from England didn't understand when we said we had enough.

[Icewolf]

Very nice sentiment and words, but that doesn't really answer the point that Trump has no plan on economic governance and plans to fund permanent revenue reductions with one off incomes.

[onbekende]

that we would never have a government more powerful than us.

Think you are missing the point of what a "government" is...

 

So you are an islander hé?

[Shahenshah]

Yup, lack of regulation ked to the last crises.

[Lysistrata]

If anyone is wanting to know my thoughts on the last debate... here it is.

 

The only question is... Did anyone scratch up Trump and knock him down? The answer is no. Jeb tried to hurt him, and he tried really hard. He forcefully declared that Donald Trump is a "chaos candidate", and he "cannot insult his way to the Presidency". He took considerable time to do so. He was quickly countered, and totally lost the argument, when Trump simply and briefly explained that Jeb is a failed candidate... down and standing at 3% support and soon to be off the stage.

 

Rubio and Cruz took turns throwing punches at each other about comparing Senate votes on amnesty for illegals and national security, with support from Rand Paul who tried to rise above with his own record. This was all blown up by Chris Christie when he jumped in and pointed out that everyone's eyes were glazing over... that they are fighting over how many angels can fit on the head of a pin, and nobody cares... "This is what it's like on the floor of the United States Senate". One point for Chris.

 

The only thing that came out of this debate was the stark realization that there are too many candidates on the stage, and the network that finally draws the line to cut at least half of the dead weight off the stage will be my hero. 9 people make a great baseball team... but 9 people make a really boring debate, where nothing gets done.

[George Jarvis]

I watched ~10 minutes of the debate and had to turn it off. Then I went on Facebook and rage-posted about it.

Seriously, Lindsey Graham is irrelevant and had no business up there at all. 

The whole thing boiled down to Trump and Paul; the rest of the candidates were all standing around saying "Oh we completely agree with Trump but we don't like Trump so we're going to try to make it look like we have our own ideas."

Bollocks, the whole lot of them. 

 

Trump has the backing to beat Hillary, and the more polarized the opposition becomes, the more support he gets. 

Hillary is a joke candidate as much as the bulk of the Republicans; she belongs in Prison more than the White House.

Bernie's been in Politics for decades, living off the Taxpayer, and what has he got to show for it? He voted in favor of funding the Iraq and Afghan wars as well as US involvement in the Yugoslav war; as soon as his voting record comes under fire his "peace and love" campaign falls apart like a wet sandwich. 

 

Honestly, at this point it's looking like Trump has it in the bag. The problem is, we don't know for absolute certainty that Trump isn't going to just get up there and go nucking futs. But I guess that's just the fun of being able to elect your President...

Edited by George Jarvis, 17 December 2015 - 06:43 PM.

[Lysistrata]

I'm with you George. We have never had a President that would be so media savvy, so open with his thoughts, unforgiving, and blatantly out to clean house. It believe it would create a whole new way of governing. I think we would hear from him every day on what new corruption he discovered, and the heads that are rolling because of it. He would save us trillions. I also think they will try to kill him before they allow him to take office. We shall see.

[Icewolf]

The idea that Trump, whose respect for rule of law, evidenced based policy making, advise taking or basic sanity would be good for governance doesn't hold up. 

 

I mean Christ, its going to be 2016 and the guy doesn't even have a semblance of an understanding of how the internet works, and can't be arsed to take the 20 minutes it would take to find out. 

[Lysistrata]

Hi Ice... it's nice to have the forum back. I think you, and far too many other people, dissect and criticize what Trump says so much that you miss the point entirely. You have no "semblance of an understanding" that he is a CEO, a boss, a leader... it's his job to get things done, identify problems, and to direct people on his team to achieve goals and complete missions. He tells them what he wants done, and it's their job to get it done and worry about the details.

 

He says he wants to shut down the internet from terrorists... and you guys lose your minds over how he would do that. He says he wants to keep Muslims from entering the US until we get things figured out... and heads explode all over place, screaming about policy. It's not what he says that is wrong.... it's the man who is saying it you don't like. I really like that he has his finger on the pulse of the people, he knows what needs to be done, and he not afraid to say it.

 

This is so funny... it's about 5 minutes, but you have to see the last 2... 

[onbekende]

This is why we laugh with americans:

 

 To put some of these findings about real modern day issues and Trump voters in context, 41% of his voters think Japanese internment was a good thing, to 37% who don't. And 41% of his supporters would favor bombing Agrabah to only 9% who are opposed to doing that. Agrabah is the country from Aladdin. Overall 30% of Republican primary voters say they support bombing it to 13% who are opposed. We asked the same question of Democrats, and 36% of them opposed bombing Agrabah to 19% in support.

source

 

 

but actually, I would laugh (and pity) anyone who wants to go fight something they never heared off.

[Shahenshah]

Abra kadabra!

[Shahenshah]

This poll reminded me of a movie I saw as a child, If you recall the movie named 'Hocus Pocus', it was a very fascinating movie.

Highly recommended:http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0107120/

Especially if you want to raise your young children or siblings as Republicans.

Personally, I can't wait for Trump presidency. I believe he is going to backtrack on alot of vague statements he's made (that's why they're vague) and the blind will keep finding excuses.

I'm hoping someone asks him about the alien UFO files.

Edited by Shahenshah, 20 December 2015 - 06:42 AM.