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[The Warrior]

I agree that without anything better to go on, Rhizo seems to be our best option. However, I would like to hear more of Kevin's reasoning for deciding to change his vote now.

 

@KevinH - Was it truly Rhizo's impassioned defense that changed your mind or is there something else that I'm not seeing?

 

 

Seems like still 2 votes needed. Not sure how long is left until day end.

All we know is that Robert said he had extended the game until tonight. I don't think that he gave a deadline time though.

 

@Robert - Is there a set time that you intend on ending the day so that we know how much time we have left to figure this out?

 

 

[Imran Ehsan]

With a full majority required MOD should make it so that everyone has to vote one way or another to reach deadline. Which means lurkers like Rafay, Fermion and iSocialism needs to take a stand before we go to night with a no lynch.

[Rhizoctonia]

 

Wow, I'm a little concerned that Kevin changed his vote. As I understand it, Kev is an expert at this game and the other expert, Imran, says this is terrible strategy. What should I make of all this? Also, I didn't realize this is Rhizo's first game, which makes me feel a little guilty lynching him; and he's eloquent, which is smokingly sexy as far as I'm concerned. I'm not changing my vote, but I am wondering what is really going on. Is Kevin in cahoots with Rhizo?

 

If Rhizo turns up scum then that will be a strong possibility. Rhizo may also be a SK which would mean kevin is not in cahoots with him. In any case we need a lynch to even start making sense of who is working with who. No lynch is just stupid and only scum will try to pursue that strategy when their buddy is about to get lynched.

 

 

 

And only Scum would push a vote when they know one isn't scum.  Which is the case here.  

 

I haven't believed you're scum, I believe you're a townie, just a misguided townie as you're pushing for a vote against another fellow one.  But as I've stated, some of the individuals who have casted a vote against me are surely scum.  So excluding you which I'm giving a pass, Thedoom, D3mon, SM, and Chaplain are prime targets to be scum.  I wait to see who else decides to vote me by the end of the day, as they can be added to the candidates of likely scum.  Some of these votes against me are from honest Townie's, but i bet at least 2 so far are from Scum.  The people who haven't voted are more likely to be townies who give me the benefit of the doubt then scum, so we'll wait to see who or if they change from that.  

[Mandarijn]

Rhizo has me pretty convinced that he's town. But I'm with Imran here, lynching him even if he's town gives us a ton of information. (+ there's still a small chance that he is scum)

 

I was going to vote right before I was going to sleep (as I assume deadline is tonight = update or something) to get as much information out of this day as possible. But I can't be the vote that decides it now, so we'll need at least 1 more vote before deadline. Rhizo made a strong defence, although he doesn't have anything concrete to prove it, but he kinda has me convinced. I will be surprised if he turns out to be scum, kudos to him then.

 

I used my action on KevinH btw, someone else did as well (don't tell who you are), but you'll know that I'm a townie now.  

Don't know if this is smart, personally I think it doesn't hurt as everyone has a power role again it seems and my role isn't very usefull. But in my last game I learnt I need to share any info that I have so it can be used later (if I happen to die) to check on people. I'm curious to see if this will work or if it will work counterproductive to the town. But you have to try new tactics. 

 

 

Also Rhizo, we had the same last game and 1-2 scum of the 4 were on the lynch wagon, but the others were not. You can also make a case for the ones that didn't vote as they knew you were town and wanted to gain townie points, so they stayed off the wagon (kinda like TW is doing at this moment, he did the same last game with posting and asking questions but never committed to voting for a townie). So TW you're one of my suspects again. Nothing is ever certain in this game though...

[The Warrior]

 

Also Rhizo, we had the same last game and 1-2 scum of the 4 were on the lynch wagon, but the others were not. You can also make a case for the ones that didn't vote as they knew you were town and wanted to gain townie points, so they stayed off the wagon (kinda like TW is doing at this moment, he did the same last game with posting and asking questions but never committed to voting for a townie). So TW you're one of my suspects again. Nothing is ever certain in this game though...

I'm not going to vote (just for the sake of voting) until I am convinced one way or the other. I am in the same situation you are. I was planning on voting today before the deadline but now I want to hear why Kevin changed his vote before I cast mine.

 

Based off of the information we were given by Robert after night 2, particularly the bit about there being another "fight downtown", I still believe that there is either a Vigilante or Serial Killer present that we also need to worry about. If Rhizo isn't scum, I think it's likely that he is a serial killer. But if Kevin knows something that isn't widely known, I hope he shares it so that we don't lynch Rhizo if he is indeed innocent.

[Mandarijn]

Kevin doesn't know anything I assume or he would've said it already. He just feels scum wouldn't go trough such lengths to save his ass (like Rhizo did) and I feel the same. But I also still believe it's the best for town to lynch Rhizo.

[KevinH]

No, I don't know anything special about Rhizoctonia.

My change in votes is based on two things:

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• The idea that there are alot of roles in play
• The impassioned plea

With lots of roles, there will be more information available tomorrow. Perhaps someone will be able to discover more about Rhizoctonia.

 

I'd rather have a townie alive than dead.
 

[Chaplain of death]

 

 

Wow, I'm a little concerned that Kevin changed his vote. As I understand it, Kev is an expert at this game and the other expert, Imran, says this is terrible strategy. What should I make of all this? Also, I didn't realize this is Rhizo's first game, which makes me feel a little guilty lynching him; and he's eloquent, which is smokingly sexy as far as I'm concerned. I'm not changing my vote, but I am wondering what is really going on. Is Kevin in cahoots with Rhizo?

 

If Rhizo turns up scum then that will be a strong possibility. Rhizo may also be a SK which would mean kevin is not in cahoots with him. In any case we need a lynch to even start making sense of who is working with who. No lynch is just stupid and only scum will try to pursue that strategy when their buddy is about to get lynched.

 

 

 

And only Scum would push a vote when they know one isn't scum.  Which is the case here.  

 

I haven't believed you're scum, I believe you're a townie, just a misguided townie as you're pushing for a vote against another fellow one.  But as I've stated, some of the individuals who have casted a vote against me are surely scum.  So excluding you which I'm giving a pass, Thedoom, D3mon, SM, and Chaplain are prime targets to be scum.  I wait to see who else decides to vote me by the end of the day, as they can be added to the candidates of likely scum.  Some of these votes against me are from honest Townie's, but i bet at least 2 so far are from Scum.  The people who haven't voted are more likely to be townies who give me the benefit of the doubt then scum, so we'll wait to see who or if they change from that.  

 

 

Nobody can KNOW that you aren't scum unless someone investigated you with a stronger role than tracker, and even then we have no way to fully trust it since insane roles likely exist. Therefore the "only scum would lynch me because Im a townie" argument makes no sense. Please stop and look at this from our point of view before making such arguments.

 

 

No, I don't know anything special about Rhizoctonia.

My change in votes is based on two things:

•  
• The idea that there are alot of roles in play
• The impassioned plea

With lots of roles, there will be more information available tomorrow. Perhaps someone will be able to discover more about Rhizoctonia.

 

I'd rather have a townie alive than dead.
 

 

A lot of roles that quite possibly have the insane modifier. Why are you putting faith in roles we can't rely on that we don't know we have when we have a solid option in front of us. What else do you need? And Kevin if hes a townie please prove it for the rest of us, otherwise stop derailing the town.

 

There is evidence which incriminates Rhizo.

There is no evidence which vindicates him.

[Imran Ehsan]

Walls of texts does not equal townie.

 

You guys havent learnt anything from last game.

 

meh..do what you will. This game is probably lost for townies.

[KevinH]

2. A majority of votes is required to lynch before deadline.Unless the game proves inactive, and the rule will change to whoever has the most votes. 
3. You may vote for a No lynch. A No Lynch Majority may only be reached 2 times.

 

Unvote.

 

At what point does the rule change to whoever has the most votes?

[d3mon]

I am a little concerned to see veterans not voting for Rhizo, while I agree that he has made a rather passionate appeal to consider the counter options, I think the possibility of any or all of that being true is much lower than what we know to be true. The adage that comes to mind is "The simplest explanation is usually the right one" and as a townie, I can't think of any other options that are better for the town at this time.

 

I recall a game where Preston used very similar methods to trick town into not voting for him. He was a master of long posts and while I wouldn't say that Rhizo is at that level yet, he is damn close.. Kudos to you sir.. especially if you turn out to be a scum and if I were a betting man, I would still bet that you are one.

[Mandarijn]

I'm almost going to sleep and nothing has changed it seems. I hope we can still get 1 more...

 

VOTE: RHIZO

[KevinH]

It's better in my opinion to give the benefit of the doubt.

A jack-of-all-trades action can be reported and possibly validated.

It will be one more townie doing voting in the end game.

 

Or not.  But that's the chance we take.

[Imran Ehsan]

No, I don't know anything special about Rhizoctonia.

My change in votes is based on two things:

•  
• The idea that there are alot of roles in play
• The impassioned plea

With lots of roles, there will be more information available tomorrow. Perhaps someone will be able to discover more about Rhizoctonia.

 

I'd rather have a townie alive than dead.
 

 

 

 

2. A majority of votes is required to lynch before deadline.Unless the game proves inactive, and the rule will change to whoever has the most votes. 
3. You may vote for a No lynch. A No Lynch Majority may only be reached 2 times.

 

Unvote.

 

At what point does the rule change to whoever has the most votes?

 

 

 

It's better in my opinion to give the benefit of the doubt.

A jack-of-all-trades action can be reported and possibly validated.

It will be one more townie doing voting in the end game.

 

Or not.  But that's the chance we take.

 

look at these series of votes. pretty desperate to stop this lynch arent you?

edit: I meant posts not votes

[Chaplain of death]

Somehow quite positive that hes a townie when there's no evidence to say he is. Also KEVIN OUR INVESTIGATION ROLES MIGHT BE INSANE meaning that even if he were townie if he got investigated he could turn up scum. Then we'd lynch him then throwing away lives and time for no reason

[d3mon]

Imho, only scum can be happy with no lynch in this scenario. Tbh, if you guys want to take Rhizo's word, I would much rather that you vote for me or TheDoom. Perhaps I am reading it wrong but I see this as an open and shut case and we are not able to lynch Rhizo because we have inactive townies.

 

Mod: Can we get a prod on the inactives?

[Fermion]

Sorry, i:'VE been reading this thread, but the whole scenario has become quite tough for me to get through.


As I said when imran first posted his lynch, I suspected him of faking his identity. But Rhizo as a scum made sense at the time, because of his behaviour. But since that time, a lot has changed. Several of the facts that we were basing our Lynch on have changed.

Still, I think Imran was right. Trying to Lynch Rhizo brought ou t a lot of interesting info. But I don't want to kill a townie, and hence I'll withhold my vote until I'm at least reasonably sure someone's scum.

[Robert2424]

 

2. A majority of votes is required to lynch before deadline.Unless the game proves inactive, and the rule will change to whoever has the most votes. 
3. You may vote for a No lynch. A No Lynch Majority may only be reached 2 times.

 

Unvote.

 

At what point does the rule change to whoever has the most votes?

 

if activity proves to be bad enough to warrant me changing the rule as punishment. So if theres hardly any discusion for a day, I would change the rule that majority would lynch. 

 

@TW, I was orginally planing on update tonight, but since I've been busy all day and still recovering from my trip, I'll end the day phase when I go to bed, so I'll extend it till 1 or 2 my time. so 2-3.5 hours. 

 

@D3mon, let me take a look. 

[Robert2424]

Vote count

 

6(Rhizo), by Imran, chaplain, D3mon, The Doom, SM, Mandarjin

 

Not voting

 

Isoc, Fermion, The Warrior, D3mon

[The Warrior]

I've gone back and forth on whether or not Rhizo is scum. When Imran made his arguments it seemed pretty likely that Rhizo was guilty. But then Rhizo made an impassioned defense for himself and at the very least led to Kevin changing his vote. I've never played in a game where Kevin was actually a participant so I wasn't really sure what he was thinking which is why I questioned him to see if there was some other reason why he changed his vote even though we had a clear piece of evidence that at least told us that Rhizo had visited someone who had died last night. Now, it could very well be that Rhizo is telling the truth and that someone else also visited Shah. Unfortunately we don't have any available evidence that indicates that. In the absence of such evidence, the options are either to lynch Rhizo based off of something that we do know, or choose not to lynch him based off of something that we don't know and hope that we don't regret it. Given Kevin's supposed experience I was willing to hear out what he had to say but he confirmed that his vote reversal was based strictly off of his opinion that scum wouldn't write as much as Rhizo did. I don't know whether that's true or not, but we do know that Rhizo's normal posting style can be generally long winded anyway. I don't see why that would change for the purposes of this game.

If Rhizo isn't scum then there is still the chance that he is a serial killer. Robert's comments about another fight and the quote that I posted earlier from the Red X wiki seem to lend credence to the SK narrative in my opinion. So if Rhizo doesn't turn out to be scum, I think there is still the possibility that he turns up SK. Either way, lynching one of them removes a threat to the town, but if we do end up mis-lynching we will at least get more information out of it moving forward.

Vote Rhizo.