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[Imran Ehsan]

At least as far as Kevin is concerned, it makes sense because from a scums point of view its highly more likely that we lynch a townie in rhizo than the SK.
Imran who did you target last night?

 

I did target someone and I will reveal my results and my vote along with it later on today. I want to see more posts by everyone first though.

[Chaplain of death]

So there's an SK and a townie tat got  over excited? Wow this just got better.

 

Why didn't Mafia nk on 1st night. Seems they were blocked. If somebody blocked them then now would be a good time to drop hints.....

 

Rafay is lurking and trying to drop hints that hes a town roleblocker...... >.>

[Fermion]

This means there is a Scum JOAT as well. So that means the Vig kill maybe one of the ability of the Scum JOAT. So the Vig kill was not a pro-townie kill. It was a kill used by the scum to take out a powerful townie role.

I am actually pretty sure Cyborg's a Pro Town Vigilante who accidentally did a anti town kill How do I know this, you ask? The answer lies a few pages before. Who was te one suspecting the Doom? Me. I am Cyborg, and I took out Doom because I thought he was scum, totally missed the post where he role claimed and dearly regretted it later.

Re: kevin - He unvoted and flip flopped because he was 100% certain that Rhizo was not scum. He knew Rhizo will turn up either Town or SK. And he will use the strategy that he is already using that anyone voting for Rhizo was scum. I now beleive there was 1 scum on the wagon and 2 scum off the wagon. One being Kevin and a second one who was lurking.

Someone who came out and hammered in the lynch after it was sure that Rhizo was gonna be voted and looked very confident in his vote?

[Imran Ehsan]

 

This means there is a Scum JOAT as well. So that means the Vig kill maybe one of the ability of the Scum JOAT. So the Vig kill was not a pro-townie kill. It was a kill used by the scum to take out a powerful townie role.

I am actually pretty sure Cyborg's a Pro Town Vigilante who accidentally did a anti town kill How do I know this, you ask? The answer lies a few pages before. Who was te one suspecting the Doom? Me. I am Cyborg, and I took out Doom because I thought he was scum, totally missed the post where he role claimed and dearly regretted it later.

Re: kevin - He unvoted and flip flopped because he was 100% certain that Rhizo was not scum. He knew Rhizo will turn up either Town or SK. And he will use the strategy that he is already using that anyone voting for Rhizo was scum. I now beleive there was 1 scum on the wagon and 2 scum off the wagon. One being Kevin and a second one who was lurking.

Someone who came out and hammered in the lynch after it was sure that Rhizo was gonna be voted and looked very confident in his vote?

 

 

This means there is a Scum JOAT as well. So that means the Vig kill maybe one of the ability of the Scum JOAT. So the Vig kill was not a pro-townie kill. It was a kill used by the scum to take out a powerful townie role.

I am actually pretty sure Cyborg's a Pro Town Vigilante who accidentally did a anti town kill How do I know this, you ask? The answer lies a few pages before. Who was te one suspecting the Doom? Me. I am Cyborg, and I took out Doom because I thought he was scum, totally missed the post where he role claimed and dearly regretted it later.

Re: kevin - He unvoted and flip flopped because he was 100% certain that Rhizo was not scum. He knew Rhizo will turn up either Town or SK. And he will use the strategy that he is already using that anyone voting for Rhizo was scum. I now beleive there was 1 scum on the wagon and 2 scum off the wagon. One being Kevin and a second one who was lurking.

Someone who came out and hammered in the lynch after it was sure that Rhizo was gonna be voted and looked very confident in his vote?

 

Interesting. What role do you have?

ps: I guess I should not have dropped the hint that I got a result last night. This made Fermion come out of lurking and own up to the kill.

 

Note that I had asked earlier if anyone had used their action on any of the 2 dead townies. Fermion posted after me and again did not claim the kill. He claimed the kill only after I said I will reveal my results.

 

Vote: Fermion

 

Yes. If you are wondering, I tracked Fermion visiting TheDoom last night. He is the Scum JOAT I am pretty sure.

[Fermion]

I didn't want to scum to know who was the Vigilante, and my claiming an action would've pretty much made me a target. Since I have pretty much owned up to being a pro town Vigilante, Mafia would kill me anyway, so it would be a wasted lynch. I would be killed and Mafia would target another townie, especially Imran.

I'll post more as soon as I have time.

Interesting. What role do you have?

 

[Chaplain of death]

To be honest I also missed doom's "role claim", since he was heavily lurking, until after he died. The fluff post made it sound like it was townie killing a townie on accident so I don't think Fermion is lying, could be wrong though. Besides if hes a JOAT he doesn't have a vig ability left. I'd say lynch Kevin today since he's pretty obviously scum.

 

Vote: KevinH

[Rafay]

Rafay is lurking and trying to drop hints that hes a town roleblocker...... >.>

 

Nope and Nope. 

[Imran Ehsan]

I didn't want to scum to know who was the Vigilante, and my claiming an action would've pretty much made me a target. Since I have pretty much owned up to being a pro town Vigilante, Mafia would kill me anyway, so it would be a wasted lynch. I would be killed and Mafia would target another townie, especially Imran.

I'll post more as soon as I have time.

 

 

Interesting. What role do you have?

 

 

 

You are lying and I can feel it.

 

Can you kill every night?

To be honest I also missed doom's "role claim", since he was heavily lurking, until after he died. The fluff post made it sound like it was townie killing a townie on accident so I don't think Fermion is lying, could be wrong though. Besides if hes a JOAT he doesn't have a vig ability left. I'd say lynch Kevin today since he's pretty obviously scum.

 

Vote: KevinH

 

My theory is scum team is: TW. Kevin and Fermion. So a kevin lynch is fine as well. But we have more concrete evidence against TheDoom.

concrete evidence against Fermion I meant, not TheDoom. cant go back and edit.

[d3mon]

Rather interesting bit of information but the fact that Fermion owned up to his kill makes his appear more townie than Rhizo did to me. Still, Vig is considered a negative town role for a reason (they mostly get it wrong) and I think lynching him might help the town but it might not be the best we can achieve today.

 

Now, time for my crazy theory, Imran is 2/2 on investigating people who did the kills and I hope that he is town but he is either lucky or erm.. there is something scummy going on. I hope my suspicions are unfounded but I am a little worried as he might be leading us to killing people that scum would want dead. Tbh, a bullet proof SK is not a role scum can take out easily and while vig has been useful for them so far, the odds of a scum being taken out increase every night.

 

With all that said, I don't know if Fermion is Vig or Scum JOAT and am still rather confident that Imran is a townie.

[Imran Ehsan]

My investigative targets are not random. I got a little lucky but there were also perfectly valid reasons for me to decide to track Fermion over some of the other suspicious characters. I wont reveal them now but after the game maybe. Same with deciding to track Rhizo over some others.

 

There is about 15% chance that Fermion is a townie Vig and an 85% chance that he is Scum JOAT who used his 1-shot Vig ability last night. I will explain the reasons shortly.

[KevinH]

I tracked Fermion visiting TheDoom last night. He is the Scum JOAT I am pretty sure.

 

Why not just a goon that delivered the kill?

Regardless...

Vote: Fermion

[Imran Ehsan]

 

I tracked Fermion visiting TheDoom last night. He is the Scum JOAT I am pretty sure.

 

Why not just a goon that delivered the kill?

Regardless...

Vote: Fermion

 

 

Because obviously the scum goon kill targetted Mandarijn.

[d3mon]

My investigative targets are not random. I got a little lucky but there were also perfectly valid reasons for me to decide to track Fermion over some of the other suspicious characters. I wont reveal them now but after the game maybe. Same with deciding to track Rhizo over some others.

 

There is about 15% chance that Fermion is a townie Vig and an 85% chance that he is Scum JOAT who used his 1-shot Vig ability last night. I will explain the reasons shortly.

 

I will wait for your reasons before I vote.

[Imran Ehsan]

I was going to go back and quote some posts, but I am not getting the time, so I will just summarise my points.
 
1. If Fermion is really the Vig, that means before start of play there were potentially 3 groups who can kill every night: Scum Team, SK and Vig.
2. So you may say maybe the Vig is X-shot. But if so it seems like even Fermion himself does not know how many shots he has
 

My question is, do vigilantes and serial killers have limits on the times they can kill?

 
This was before he claimed to be a Vigilante. So he is either lying about being a vigilante or he is a vigilante who is not x-shot. So even if you beleive Fermion to be a townie Vig that will mean he has no x-shot ability.
 
3. He claims to have killed TheDoom because he suspected him on D2 (that post was on the 22nd I think). But since then he was pretty much lurking except this pretty weird post on the 25th.

 

As I said when imran first posted his lynch, I suspected him of faking his identity. But Rhizo as a scum made sense at the time, because of his behaviour. But since that time, a lot has changed. Several of the facts that we were basing our Lynch on have changed.

Still, I think Imran was right. Trying to Lynch Rhizo brought ou t a lot of interesting info. But I don't want to kill a townie, and hence I'll withhold my vote until I'm at least reasonably sure someone's scum.

 

No mention of TheDoom here. But , eh does not want to lynch a townie. But has no problem of shooting dead a potential townie at night? It does not add up. If he is the Vig and does not want to kill innocent townies (which is the reason he gave for not voting for Rhizo), why would he shoot someone at night without being "reasonably sure someone's scum." Sorry it just does not add up.

 

Add with that, he has been lurking the whole game. The above post was made by him after 5 days of lurking I think and only when I pointed out that Rafay, Fermion and iSocialism are lurking.

 

I think I am missing some other points too but I am in a hurry so I will add them when I remember them.

[Imran Ehsan]

By the way, I should add. It may be a good strategy to let him live today as well. He made a pretty bold claim in that he cant repeat it if he is lying. If he is the Scum JOAT he will have only 1-shot kill ability so he wont be able to kill tomorrow. So if we see/track him visiting others and that target does not end up dead, we know he is lying.

but of course if he is the scum JOAT, he probably has the Role Block ability and will probably role block me tonight. So I would rather have him lynched so he cant use his abilities at night. I am pretty sure he is scum.

[The Warrior]

1. If Fermion is really the Vig, that means before start of play there were potentially 3 groups who can kill every night: Scum Team, SK and Vig.

Which would mean that we were probably wrong about the number of scum we thought were in the game initially. With only 13 players it seems unlikely that there would be 6 people (3 Scum + SK + JOAT + Vig) or 7 people (4 Scum + SK + JOAT + Vig) with killing actions, especially if the Vig has unlimited kills. Unless Robert really wanted this game to end quickly, I don't think it's likely.

 

 

 

2. So you may say maybe the Vig is X-shot. But if so it seems like even Fermion himself does not know how many shots he has

 

Fermion, on 28 Apr 2016 - 23:59, said: My question is, do vigilantes and serial killers have limits on the times they can kill?

 

This was before he claimed to be a Vigilante. So he is either lying about being a vigilante or he is a vigilante who is not x-shot. So even if you beleive Fermion to be a townie Vig that will mean he has no x-shot ability.

 

I was thinking this as well and I agree. As mentioned above, I think that it's unlikely that the Vig would have unlimited kills in this game. Fermion was either lying when he asked about killing limits and knew full well what he could do or he wasn't lying and he honestly has no idea. I think the former is more likely.

 

 

 

3. He claims to have killed TheDoom because he suspected him on D2 (that post was on the 22nd I think). But since then he was pretty much lurking except this pretty weird post on the 25th.

 

As I said when imran first posted his lynch, I suspected him of faking his identity. But Rhizo as a scum made sense at the time, because of his behaviour. But since that time, a lot has changed. Several of the facts that we were basing our Lynch on have changed.

 

Still, I think Imran was right. Trying to Lynch Rhizo brought ou t a lot of interesting info. But I don't want to kill a townie, and hence I'll withhold my vote until I'm at least reasonably sure someone's scum.

 

No mention of TheDoom here. But , eh does not want to lynch a townie. But has no problem of shooting dead a potential townie at night? It does not add up. If he is the Vig and does not want to kill innocent townies (which is the reason he gave for not voting for Rhizo), why would he shoot someone at night without being "reasonably sure someone's scum." Sorry it just does not add up.

 

I picked up on that as well. If Fermion was so opposed to lynching a townie without being "reasonably sure that someone's scum", why would he choose to target and kill TheDoom the very next night? What was your proof that TheDoom was scum, Fermion? I don't see it.

 

Vote Fermion.

 

I'll re-consider my vote if you have a good answer to the orange highlighted question above.

[Imran Ehsan]

I am kinda stumped that 2 of ppl I suspect as scum are agreeing/voting with me...   So either they decided to sacrifice one of their scum buddies or I will have to re-look at who i think is what. So I will leave it upto the others to decide who to lynch today. I am fine with either Fermion or kevn or TW.

[Chaplain of death]

If its to be Fermion first then so be it. I missed those points before, definitely makes him look scummy.

 

Unvote

 

Vote: Fermion

we're now 1 vote away with over a day before the "day" ends. 

[Sister Midnight]

I'd like to see what Kev, Ferm, and TW have to say in their defense.  The evidence is not looking great for Ferm, but I'm also leaning towards Kev because his logic just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.  I don't see TW saying much by way of defense other than fingering Ferm, but I don't see that strong a case against him, either.

[d3mon]

fingering Ferm

 

Pun intended?

 

 

By the way, I should add. It may be a good strategy to let him live today as well. He made a pretty bold claim in that he cant repeat it if he is lying. If he is the Scum JOAT he will have only 1-shot kill ability so he wont be able to kill tomorrow. So if we see/track him visiting others and that target does not end up dead, we know he is lying.

but of course if he is the scum JOAT, he probably has the Role Block ability and will probably role block me tonight. So I would rather have him lynched so he cant use his abilities at night. I am pretty sure he is scum.

 

Your arguments are good and I have to say that it makes a lot more sense to take out someone who has a very good probability of being scum. With that said, I want to take a little time to think before I place the hammer vote. The way I see it, if Fermion is town (flavor seems to indicate a vig kill), tomorrow morning we would be in a 5 v 3 and with Rafay being rather inactive.. it would be very difficult to lynch a scum. (assuming Rafay is town).