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[Myrrdin Emrys]

Hey Lysistrata, what do you think about this?:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/donald-trump-2016-judge-gonzalo-curiel-attack-213946

 

Wanna hear your opinion.

[hilowe]

...and any mails currently under "confinentional" or higer were done post-date. Funnely enough I did hear about this today, I lol'd Mostly cause its AOL >_>

OK, I kind of feel the need to respond to this one.

Hilary has been very careful with her wording on this, saying marked confidential. The problem with this is, emails with classified info aren't marked confidential, they're marked with the security level they have to be protected at. Confidential isn't a security level.

The other thing I know is, if it was me in this situation, my rear end would already be at Leavenworth, and I would have been introduced to a new "friend" (and not in a nice way).

Edited for grammar I saw after posting.

Edited by hilowe, 08 June 2016 - 03:38 PM.

[Lysistrata]

Hey Lysistrata, what do you think about this?:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/donald-trump-2016-judge-gonzalo-curiel-attack-213946

 

Wanna hear your opinion.

First things first... it's Politico. You could have done worse by pulling up something from The Huffington Post or Vox, but Politico is bad enough. There are only two lefty news sites that I constantly visit... they are The Hill, and Nate Silver's 538. The only time I see anything from Politico would be from a headline, or interesting link, from The Drudge Report.

 

The next thing you have to think about... what are you reading? Are you reading a straight up news report? If you are reading a straight up news report, you may find yourself at the end with many questions that were left unanswered in the piece, because they do not have enough factual information to make the call, or they are being ultra careful not to get themselves in trouble for saying too much. If it's an opinion piece... it's not designed to answer your questions... it's purely designed to influence your belief.

 

This link you put up is a straight up opinion piece designed to influence what you believe. It told me nothing I didn't already know, and was full of the writers desire for me to follow his lead in believing Donald Trump is a racist. I'll believe Donald Trump is a racist when he has actual video of him walking into Trump Tower and showing us all the "White's Only" drinking fountain.

 

Trump has already come out and said he will no longer discuss this issue. People like this guy will continue to talk about it until he understands that no one cares. They will include it in ads to attempt to get negative traction, but how many people don't know that Trump is a crass and very non-politically correct individual? He is where he is because of that. These guys have been frantically searching for anything that hurts Donald Trump, but this particular issue dies when Trump stops discussing it.

 

Someone got into Trump's head and got him to understand that his business affairs are no longer his concern. He will turn everything over to his kids, shed the businessman clothes, and direct his total attention to beating Hillary Clinton to a pulp, and become a President of the United States.

 

Giving Donald Trump the Republican nomination is a huge risk. Nobody knows that better than I do. The Electoral map does not favor him, and he has a long, hard, uphill climb, to win. He's already in trouble with Wisconsin after destroying their Governor, and blistering Paul Ryan... so I think that one is gone. Ohio is a real problem too. His only chance is really to dominate the rust belt, take Pennsylvania and New Jersey, take Florida... I don't know... he'll have to make history. It will not be easy.

 

That's my opinion...

[onbekende]

So I hear Hillary just got Republican support

 

Twitter finds out the Armani dress of months ago was $17k, "lefties" go wild and accuse her of not being "pro-poor people" and "against equality". Time later, some more "righties" people jump it and claim it is her "american dream" right to go out and spend money she earned.

 

I lol'd

 

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Oh no, i would be happy to have you visit, I just wouldn't have you run things. You're right, respect is earned, you have earned mine and after serving IRON for 9+ years, I believe you deserve respect from every single one of us. Yes the Internet is for all kinds, including assholes, I like to think IRON has a better caliber of people than the rest of the world, but maybe that is wishful thinking on my part. I'll take my leave from this thread now, nothing good will come from my participation. Politics and religion, you're unlikely to change anyone's opinion.

Point of clarification, some types of judges are elected, others are appointed by elected officials.

 
pfffft, a quick drive-by is always fun
 
I aint here to change a person's beliefs, I am here to clarify another persons belief and to experience it
 
 

She is correct. Our District Judges are elected, our Federal Judges are appointed. Curiel is an Obama appointee and the case against Trump is represented by an attorney group that has paid about $650,000 for two speeches from Bill Clinton. The Judge in question, is a member of La Raza Lawyers Association. I believe Trump has enough reason to believe he is not receiving a fair trial on a civil case that the plaintiff was dismissed because she was lying. It's a straight up political hit job. Nice try.

 
 Appointies I can kinda work with (offcourse now its bias from the appointer instead of whatever judicional bar the person comes from), elections on the other hand go hand in hand with shoulder-rubbing and just make the entire idea of an "independant" judicinairy system void imo.

Hence you get these messes with "he paid them" and "they helped him"...
 
Reminds me of our "spaghetti verdict", basically the chief prosecutor came to a dinner organized to celebrate something pertaining to the case they worked on (to much effort to explain the entire premise), they kept profesional courtesy and didn't interact with the case's significant people but the prosecutor still got pulled of by our supreme court for doing it. What to remember: carefull were you get your spaghetti!
 

I'm going to quote you on this next time, I hope you know that

 
go ahead, I demand full royalties and honours!

 

OK, I kind of feel the need to respond to this one.

Hilary has been very careful with her wording on this, saying marked confidential. The problem with this is, emails with classified info aren't marked confidential, they're marked with the security level they have to be protected at. Confidential isn't a security level.

The other thing I know is, if it was me in this situation, my rear end would already be at Leavenworth, and I would have been introduced to a new "friend" (and not in a nice way).

Edited for grammar I saw after posting.

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Politicians are a breed on their own, nothing new. Why this suddenly entails Trump isn't in on that "breed" is another matter thou

[Lysistrata]

So I hear Hillary just got Republican support

I don't think that can ever happen. There will be a lot of Bernie people that will vote Trump because they hate Hillary and they're sick of the status-quo. There will be a lot of Democrats that will vote for Gary Johnson because they hate Trump, and they hate Hillary. There will be a lot of Republicans that will vote for Gary Johnson because they hate Trump, and they hate Hillary... but you will not find many Republicans that will vote for Hillary... because they all hate Hillary.

[hilowe]

Politicians are a breed on their own, nothing new. Why this suddenly entails Trump isn't in on that "breed" is another matter thou

Haven't said he isn't. I distrust him very much. Only thing is, I hate Hilary. If you put a gun to my head, and said I had to choose Hilary or Trump, I would choose Trump. Thankfully, I don't have to, because as I've said elsewhere on these boards, I will probably be voting for a third party candidate (like Gary Johnson, if he won the Libertarian nomination, haven't looked in a couple of weeks).

[Eva999]

So I hear Hillary just got Republican support

I don't think that can ever happen. There will be a lot of Bernie people that will vote Trump because they hate Hillary and they're sick of the status-quo. There will be a lot of Democrats that will vote for Gary Johnson because they hate Trump, and they hate Hillary. There will be a lot of Republicans that will vote for Gary Johnson because they hate Trump, and they hate Hillary... but you will not find many Republicans that will vote for Hillary... because they all hate Hillary.

She'll pick up a lot of the white female vote that Obama didn't get which will probably hurt Trump a lot since he has to try and pick up more minority votes, but they widely hate him and are solid Dem votes. His other option is to try to pick up more of the white male vote, but Republicans already get most of that vote so it will be a struggle to get more.

[Myrrdin Emrys]

 

Hey Lysistrata, what do you think about this?:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/donald-trump-2016-judge-gonzalo-curiel-attack-213946

 

Wanna hear your opinion.

First things first... it's Politico. You could have done worse by pulling up something from The Huffington Post or Vox, but Politico is bad enough. There are only two lefty news sites that I constantly visit... they are The Hill, and Nate Silver's 538. The only time I see anything from Politico would be from a headline, or interesting link, from The Drudge Report.

 

The next thing you have to think about... what are you reading? Are you reading a straight up news report? If you are reading a straight up news report, you may find yourself at the end with many questions that were left unanswered in the piece, because they do not have enough factual information to make the call, or they are being ultra careful not to get themselves in trouble for saying too much. If it's an opinion piece... it's not designed to answer your questions... it's purely designed to influence your belief.

 

This link you put up is a straight up opinion piece designed to influence what you believe. It told me nothing I didn't already know, and was full of the writers desire for me to follow his lead in believing Donald Trump is a racist. I'll believe Donald Trump is a racist when he has actual video of him walking into Trump Tower and showing us all the "White's Only" drinking fountain.

 

Trump has already come out and said he will no longer discuss this issue. People like this guy will continue to talk about it until he understands that no one cares. They will include it in ads to attempt to get negative traction, but how many people don't know that Trump is a crass and very non-politically correct individual? He is where he is because of that. These guys have been frantically searching for anything that hurts Donald Trump, but this particular issue dies when Trump stops discussing it.

 

Someone got into Trump's head and got him to understand that his business affairs are no longer his concern. He will turn everything over to his kids, shed the businessman clothes, and direct his total attention to beating Hillary Clinton to a pulp, and become a President of the United States.

 

Giving Donald Trump the Republican nomination is a huge risk. Nobody knows that better than I do. The Electoral map does not favor him, and he has a long, hard, uphill climb, to win. He's already in trouble with Wisconsin after destroying their Governor, and blistering Paul Ryan... so I think that one is gone. Ohio is a real problem too. His only chance is really to dominate the rust belt, take Pennsylvania and New Jersey, take Florida... I don't know... he'll have to make history. It will not be easy.

 

That's my opinion...

 

 

Wonderful!

 

Absolutely brilliant choice of words. Lysistrata, my respect for you slowly grows inch by inch.

[Lysistrata]

She'll pick up a lot of the white female vote that Obama didn't get which will probably hurt Trump a lot since he has to try and pick up more minority votes, but they widely hate him and are solid Dem votes. His other option is to try to pick up more of the white male vote, but Republicans already get most of that vote so it will be a struggle to get more.

Oh god... you're gonna make me go there... I despise breaking the American people down into categories. It's insulting on so many levels. Okay, I'll give it a try. This will truly be an historic election. We have two candidates that both have 100% name recognition. They are both deeply loved by their base support, both have their people that will vote for them because they don't want the other one, and both deeply hated by all the rest. This will come down to which one of these candidates can create enough hate on the other one... so more people come out to vote against the other one. Does that make sense?

 

I have no illusions that Hillary will not get the large percentage of support from African-Americans, they are loyal Democrats. Barack Obama received over 90% support from this block, and Hillary will get the same high support... but there will be a lot less of them coming out to vote. They came out in droves to vote for Obama, because he's half black... Hillary is a white woman, and they don't really care so much about her.

 

Women voting for Hillary Clinton just because she's a woman is as stupid as a black man voting for Barack Obama just because he's black. This election will be decided on the economy, and which one of the candidates is more hated than the other. If Gary Johnson can pull enough support to earn a place on the debate stage... we could see a real change if enough people are attracted to his platform, and his innocuous demeanor. Fiscally conservative, but socially liberal may be a ticket for success. My objective is to beat Hillary Clinton, and I have no problem supporting Gary Johnson if he is the one that can do that.

 

One thing we all must keep in mind... Donald Trump will not do anything the way it has always been done. I have heard he plans to not just speak once at the convention... he will speak all four days. No one has ever done that. A lot will rest on his VP pick... I hear he plans to keep that secret until the convention. One thing is for certain... in 2008, Barack Obama had the stadium full of support at Invesco Field in Colorado, and won easily... this time Donald Trump will have the stadium full of support at FirstEnergy Stadium, home of the Cleveland Browns. Hillary can't fill a stadium. This tells us a lot, but Hillary still has the Electoral map advantage.

[Bill N Ted]

Hillary would make Nixon look like an innocent choir boy.  

[Black Rook]

Trump makes bush look reasnoble

[onbekende]

Is it me or are both gonna chicken out until the very last moment to come forward with there VP pick?

 

Guess that means Trump up first, his convention is first.

 

 

also, now I asked this, both will come forward with there pick tomorrow >_>

[Lysistrata]

Is it me or are both gonna chicken out until the very last moment to come forward with there VP pick?

 

Guess that means Trump up first, his convention is first.

 

 

also, now I asked this, both will come forward with there pick tomorrow >_>

The only thing I have heard is that Donald Trump will announce his VP pick at the convention... not before... but all this is subject to change at any time. If political winds change, so do their plans. We shall see...

[Wolfpacks]

This doesn't really effect me as I'm not American, but I do have a opinion on Mr Trump, I once read a book by the author Stephen King called the Dead Zone, in it a man call John Smith met a man a travelling salesman who once he touched he fortold the end of the world, that travelling salesman reminds me of Mr Trump, personally I think he is a dangerous man who because of his views will lead us into the worse and end of days war, I hope I'm wrong but there is just something about him that scares me.

[ccabal86]

This doesn't really effect me as I'm not American, but I do have a opinion on Mr Trump, I once read a book by the author Stephen King called the Dead Zone, in it a man call John Smith met a man a travelling salesman who once he touched he fortold the end of the world, that travelling salesman reminds me of Mr Trump, personally I think he is a dangerous man who because of his views will lead us into the worse and end of days war, I hope I'm wrong but there is just something about him that scares me.

Ha! I read that too, and I had exactly the same association.

But no, the end days war is more likely to be brought upon us by religious zealotry and not Trump. I'd actually be a lot more concerned if Ted Cruz would have won the nomination.

Edited by ccabal86, 14 June 2016 - 09:44 PM.

[Lysistrata]

This doesn't really effect me as I'm not American, but I do have a opinion on Mr Trump, I once read a book by the author Stephen King called the Dead Zone, in it a man call John Smith met a man a travelling salesman who once he touched he fortold the end of the world, that travelling salesman reminds me of Mr Trump, personally I think he is a dangerous man who because of his views will lead us into the worse and end of days war, I hope I'm wrong but there is just something about him that scares me.

Yeah, God forbid we should ever secure our borders, fight terrorism, and correct our diseased economy... it would be the end of the world. I have something more rich that this... Hillary Clinton has declared that no one under FBI investigation should be allowed to buy a gun. Now I have no problem with this... but should anyone under FBI investigation be allowed to run for President?

 

I must remind everyone, that Ronald Reagan was also demonized by Democrats as too dangerous to be President. Better find a new angle. He may not be the President we want, but he's probably the President we need.

[Lysistrata]

How Democrats create more Democrats...

[Chaplain of death]

This doesn't really effect me as I'm not American, but I do have a opinion on Mr Trump, I once read a book by the author Stephen King called the Dead Zone, in it a man call John Smith met a man a travelling salesman who once he touched he fortold the end of the world, that travelling salesman reminds me of Mr Trump, personally I think he is a dangerous man who because of his views will lead us into the worse and end of days war, I hope I'm wrong but there is just something about him that scares me.

Yeah, God forbid we should ever secure our borders, fight terrorism, and correct our diseased economy... it would be the end of the world. I have something more rich that this... Hillary Clinton has declared that no one under FBI investigation should be allowed to buy a gun. Now I have no problem with this... but should anyone under FBI investigation be allowed to run for President?
 
I must remind everyone, that Ronald Reagan was also demonized by Democrats as too dangerous to be President. Better find a new angle. He may not be the President we want, but he's probably the President we need.

I have no problem with us not sitting on our hands anymore and actively taking on ISIS, but that's not what the right wing is suggesting. They are suggesting we nuke the middle east (Iran and anywhere ISIS can be found) until we turn the desert into glass. They want to go to war with Islam, rather than just the extremists.

And if you think Donald Trump is capable of pulling our economy out of the sewer then you arent paying attention. How many times has he declared bankruptcy? How many failed business ventures?

Don't get me wrong, Hillary is fucking terrifying too. I wish the DNC wasn't a curropt pile of shit, but that's the state of politics in the U.S. All the things people were terrified of Sanders doing weren't within his power to do. He can't unilaterally make us a socialist state.

My biggest fear with Trump is two fold. Hes gonna try to go to war with someone we have no business being at war with. When that happens the military will either do it (please fucking no), or they will refuse. If they refuse, do they then declare martial law and depose him? If so do they take control or do they transition the government to a new president? If they leave him in power, he no longer has the military behind him, the people will try to impeach him or remove him somehow.

[Lysistrata]

I have no problem with us not sitting on our hands anymore and actively taking on ISIS, but that's not what the right wing is suggesting. They are suggesting we nuke the middle east (Iran and anywhere ISIS can be found) until we turn the desert into glass. They want to go to war with Islam, rather than just the extremists.

The only people that mention nuclear weapons are Democrats as they are trying to instill fear into people like you. Under Donald Trump, the mission would be clear, and the means would be under military leaders. The one glaring difference would be nation building... there will be no more of that, and the service we provide will be paid for.

And if you think Donald Trump is capable of pulling our economy out of the sewer then you arent paying attention. How many times has he declared bankruptcy? How many failed business ventures?

You must not be paying attention. Donald Trump has never filed a personal (Chapter 7) bankruptcy. Donald Trump owns over 500 individual business, all under the Trump flag. He has filed Corporate, (Chapter 11), bankruptcy, 4 times during his lifetime, on 4 of those. This is what all Americans do when a business does not earn a profit. 4 out of over 500 is an incredible success rate. I live in Las Vegas, and I saw first hand what the 2008 recession did to all casino owners, and Atlantic City New Jersey, was devastated. The bankruptcy laws are in place to protect all Americans... last time I checked... Donald Trump is an American.

[Fox Fire]

Running a nation is far different than running a business and Trump has already proven himself a hypocrite who has no solid policies but only says what gets him attention regardless of what that may be. 

The only people that mention nuclear weapons are Democrats as they are trying to instill fear into people like you. Under Donald Trump, the mission would be clear, and the means would be under military leaders. The one glaring difference would be nation building... there will be no more of that, and the service we provide will be paid for.

Destroying nations and expecting them to pay for the war was already attempted in modern history. It got tens of millions killed in response. And nuclear weapons are horrid things that should never be used again. Under Trump, our foreign policy would not change and no foreign nation will ever pay him to enact his xenophobic policies. If he thinks Afghanistan, Iraq or Mexico would actually pay him, he's insane. Half our middle east allies are only our allies because we throw endless money at them. Reverse that and we'll have a number of very powerful enemies to add to our list of active enemies.