Why Rafay in a simple words. His playstyle is to act like a scum so that he has a free ride when he's one. Unfortunately that also means he's liability to the town in every scenario because you can never trust him or anything he says.

 

 

Very true actually...

 

I actually want to discuss some kind of game plan for the town here. Should we let the cop use the 1st 2-3 night actions? He can't come out with his results early I think, BUT if he happens to get killed before he reveals his results, we're screwed... That Framer and Mafia Role Cop (who might also get the 1st 2-3 night actions from the Mafia) might be a game breaker as well. Or how do we want to play this? We have only 3 PR and potentially 6 night actions, where the cop is the most important one. I have no idea if/when it's or will be smart to use the other 2 roles?

 

I really have no clue how hard it'll be to win this game as the town and how different it'll be from the normal games.

On my phone so bare with me (Internet service is out.)

 

I feel the best strategy would be getting the cop to last until D3 (2 night actions.) Vigilante and Jail keeper (who in my opinion shold be treated like a VT) hold off and hopefully the cop and Vigilante last til D3. The cop releases the names and findings, because I don't think we should risk going into D4 with the cop dead and no information. If he finds a scum, Townes Lynch and Vigilante gets the next best guess. By D4, we should have a pretty good guess at whose scum. As for the framer, odds are the framer and cop won't hit the same person. I don't think that'll be much of a worry.

 

Vote KH

 

With a name like Hitler, he has to be scum.

Also I just seen the game days last as how many players are alive. D1 is 13days long?

unvote

I lost the post that I typed out

 

I'llpost in a few minutes

The best strategy for town on the first day is to not lynch anyone because there is no evidence and most of the evidence is basically conjecture or for lulz. This was discussed in my last game and I'm surprised to see that many of the same people who voted for this, actually have already voted for someone.  Ali bin turban as been especially eager to vote for a lynch even though he knows that a mislynch (highly probable at this point) would only hurt the town. This looks scummy to me. But as for the rest of his actions, they genuinely look good.

 

I'm not very sure about anyone at this point. 

 

Vote: No Vote

 

It's always better than lynching a townie, or worst, cop

Rhizo there's no jester in this game. Why you're trying to get yourself lynched?

 

lmao

 

 

 

 

Too bad for Rafay but I agree with AbT, you need to talk more or it will hurt town in the long run

 

Vote: Rafay

 

 

 

Yes we should let cop investigate for at least two nights, let's hope he is good

We need everyone to be active in this game. That means we need people like Rafay to post more regularly. This is a new format and with only 13 players in the game, having even one inactive will really hurt our chances, even more so if that person happens to have one of the three town power roles.

Very interesting setup. Townies have 4 power actions. This means the townies with power roles really need to pay attention to what we are posting and not go around using their actions every night (god..I hope rafay isnt one of those with a PR). They need to hold back and conserve their actions to be used at the most opportune times.

 

For Night 1,

- the Vigilante should not be using his power. He has a higher probability of hitting town shooting in the dark than with some info.

- the jailkeeper should not be using his power as well. He has a chance of blocking the cop. Jailing the framer and role cop also gives little benefit to the town for now as chance of framer and cop hitting the same target is very low and chance of role cop targetting a VT is also high.

- the cop should be using his power. The decision to who he should target should be based on posting patterns and scumminess indicators from D1. For example, my BS detector meter kept on going off the charts every time Rhizo posted in the last 2 games I played with him. Look for such signs and target him.

 

So that will take up only 1 out of the 4 power actions we have, leaving 3 for the later days. On Day 2 we will re-evaluate the results from D1 and N1 and consider our options again as to what actions to take next.

 

For Day 1, we need to lynch. We lynch the lurkers. As I have already pointed out town and specially the townies with power role really need to pay attention to this game. If you are a town and too busy to play, let the Mod know right now that you are not available so that a replacement can be found. Dont just stay around and do nothing ruining the game for everyone.

 

In that vein,

 

Vote: Whitebeard

 

0 posts as of yet.

Ouch. Abt being savage. 

 

VOTE RAFAY

 

let's see if he squirms. 

What's with the hate all of a sudden?

 

Am I in a game w/ all Trumpsters or something?

 

But I got nothing to say really?

We need your opinions/thoughts on how to play this and who looks suspicious to you.

Same goes for iSocialism in my opinion, he's also always very quiet in the 2 games I've played...

 

I still have an important question we need to discuss: should the cop come out immediately if he happens to find a scum?

After this we could let the Jailkeeper protect the cop and it'll be a guessing game for the Mafia like Ali said.

 

@KevinH: If the jailkeeper protects the cop and the cop investigates someone (but can't because he's put in jail). Does the town lose only 1 or 2 points?

@KevinH: If the jailkeeper protects the cop and the cop investigates someone (but can't because he's put in jail). Does the town lose only 1 or 2 points?

 

That counts as 1 point.

Vote Count:

Rafay (3): Ali bin Turban, Lyner, Robert2424,
Whitebeard (2): The Warrior, Imran Ehsan,
Imran Ehsan (1): Rhizoctonia,
The Warrior (1): Rafay,
King Hitler (1): King Hitler,
Rhizoctonia (0):
Ali bin Turban (0)
Chaplain of death (0)
Fermion (0)
iSocialism (0)
Lyner (0)
Mandarijn (0)
Robert2424 (0)

No lynch (1): Fermion,

 
Not voting: iSocialism, Mandarijn, Whitebeard, Chaplain of death,

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch or 4 at deadline.
Deadline is Sunday, May 29 at 21:00 EDT

We need your opinions/thoughts on how to play this and who looks suspicious to you.

Same goes for iSocialism in my opinion, he's also always very quiet in the 2 games I've played...

 

I still have an important question we need to discuss: should the cop come out immediately if he happens to find a scum?

After this we could let the Jailkeeper protect the cop and it'll be a guessing game for the Mafia like Ali said.

 

@KevinH: If the jailkeeper protects the cop and the cop investigates someone (but can't because he's put in jail). Does the town lose only 1 or 2 points?

That may be a nice strategy for us,I think. Cop is the most important role and should be protected at all costs, but the jail will hinder his ability too, making him useless.

 

I agree that he should come out with his results as soon he identifies someone as scum because of two reasons:

 

A) He may die the next night, with his knowledge

There's arole changer (or something ) on mafia's side and hemay change the result. Hence all accused by the cop should get a chance to explain themselves too, and that isn't possible if there's no time

Fermions posts are scummy. Just sayin'.

I think I'd stand firm on the cop coming out on D3. Despite if he finds a scum on N1, I still think he has a good chance of making it past N2 alive and giving us more results.

^ Agreed. Even if he doesnt find scum he can also give us confirmed townies which will be almost as good on D3 provided they are still alive.

He'll also have one extra night to investigate.

Fermions posts are scummy. Just sayin'.

I was just pointing out the ways in which Mandarijn's plan could backfire on the town

I think I'd stand firm on the cop coming out on D3. Despite if he finds a scum on N1, I still think he has a good chance of making it past N2 alive and giving us more results.

I think that I generally agree with this as well.

 

I think that our best play with the Cop is to let him investigate on night 1. If he finds a townie, that's alright. That's one less person he knows is scum. If he finds scum, great! He should help to convince us to lynch that person the next day, preferably without giving his role away.

 

Let the Cop investigate again on night 2, preferably on someone that has seemed scummy up to that point. If he finds a townie, that's alright. Once again that is one less person that he knows is scum. If he finds scum, great! Help convince us to lynch that person the next day.

 

We want to keep the Cop alive as long as possible but if he has information and it looks like he is somehow heading to be lynched during the day or if he has a reasonable suspicion that he will be targeted next at night by the scum, he needs to role claim immediately and share the information that he has. At that point we can use our Jailkeeper can help keep him alive if we need to.

 

If we find a scum and cannot manage to lynch him during the day for one reason or another, we will still have the option to kill him at night with the Vigilante.

What does everyone else think of the general proposed strategy? Anything else that we should consider?

 

Current Post Count:

 

Ali bin Turban 8

The Warrior 6

KevinH 5

Chaplain of death 5

Rhizoctonia 5

Fermion 4

Imran Ehsan 3

King Hitler 2

Mandarijn 2

Rafay 2

Robert2424 1

Lyner 1

 

 

Still nothing from iSocialism or Whitebeard after 24 hours. We need everyone to be active.

 

@Kevin - Have either of them read their role PM's?

Huh, been quite inactive, never knew there were going to be such RUDE comments put towards me 

 

Very interesting setup. Townies have 4 power actions. This means the townies with power roles really need to pay attention to what we are posting and not go around using their actions every night (god..I hope rafay isnt one of those with a PR). They need to hold back and conserve their actions to be used at the most opportune times.

 

For Night 1,

- the Vigilante should not be using his power. He has a higher probability of hitting town shooting in the dark than with some info.

- the jailkeeper should not be using his power as well. He has a chance of blocking the cop. Jailing the framer and role cop also gives little benefit to the town for now as chance of framer and cop hitting the same target is very low and chance of role cop targetting a VT is also high.

- the cop should be using his power. The decision to who he should target should be based on posting patterns and scumminess indicators from D1. For example, my BS detector meter kept on going off the charts every time Rhizo posted in the last 2 games I played with him. Look for such signs and target him.

 

So that will take up only 1 out of the 4 power actions we have, leaving 3 for the later days. On Day 2 we will re-evaluate the results from D1 and N1 and consider our options again as to what actions to take next.

 

For Day 1, we need to lynch. We lynch the lurkers. As I have already pointed out town and specially the townies with power role really need to pay attention to this game. If you are a town and too busy to play, let the Mod know right now that you are not available so that a replacement can be found. Dont just stay around and do nothing ruining the game for everyone.

 

In that vein,

 

Vote: Whitebeard

 

0 posts as of yet.

 

 

Vote: Imran Ehsan

 

 

You wanna know why? My BS detector went off. hAAAAAAA 

OMGUS

For the noobs rookies. Yep.

Ouch. Abt being savage. 

 

VOTE RAFAY

 

let's see if he squirms. 

 

I'm a little hurt by your accusation. I'm one of the most reasonable and logical people that have walk the...well "this topic" will suffice .

I do not vote randomly, nor do I do it for the lulz. I've announced my intention way before this game started (precisely here: http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/56759-tw-01-cybernations-mafia-day-4/page-24?do=findComment&comment=854290 - last sentence).

 

D1 votes are the most random ones, so I'm adding a pinch of logic into them: "If you want to lynch and there's no proof pointing to anyone, lynch the one that tends to be biggest liability later on". This also have didactic value, because If player sees he's being punished for his anti-town playstyle he'll feel pressure to change it .

 

 

I also support what Imran's said. Just in case, I'll reiterate: If anyone of you have signed up but don't feel like you're going to play, or maybe you're not convinced yet and booked yourself a seat just in case, please leave, because otherwise you're going to ruin it for everyone. This kind of game's just suffering so much if people are getting inactive (as we are experiencing in TW's game).

 

One more thing - let's have max value for day length. 13 days for D1 is definitely overboard. There will be nothing to talk about after 6.

OMGUS

For the noobs rookies. Yep.

 

Something called reverse psychology...

I think smart cop does not need to come out until he has good reasons to do it. I believe smart cop would stay hidden for as long as he can putting hints everyday. Hints that are small enough so that they're lost in the noise of other people opinions, but when he dies, his role is revealed and we come back digging his posts they become obvious.

 

Question is, does that poor fellow that drew the short straw and got the most responsible role feels smart enough to pull it off .

Also, folks that get on a lynch wagon that targets scum (or the ones being strong accusers) will surely get the attention of the other scums, so cop would be risking his life in such case.

 

One important thing I think we can do in order to help cop is to post our opinions everyday (on both scummy and townie reads - but let's not get overboard with it - real cop would never come with 5 townie reads after first night) so that we act like noise that's encrypting cop's transmission giving scums serious trouble to get on a right track.