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[iSocialism]

Blah

[Sister Midnight]

I'm sorry ISoc.  I was led astray.  

 

I am utterly confused, I want to vote Preston, but I think the role claim is very powerful and his outline of events spot on.  But he is the reason I voted for ISoc/Dean, a townie / one of my best mates.  I need to think on this and I need to see what Lyner says.  Right now I'm looking at Lyner, Preston, and Wolfpacks.

[Mazuurek]

UNVOTE: Lyner
I wont vote yet to prevent the day from ending too quickly.

.  Right now I'm looking at Lyner, Preston, and Wolfpacks.

why are you not looking at me?

[Sister Midnight]

UNVOTE: Lyner
I wont vote yet to prevent the day from ending too quickly.

.  Right now I'm looking at Lyner, Preston, and Wolfpacks.

why are you not looking at me?

 

I'm looking at everyone, but I am most suspicious of  the three I mentioned because 1. Preston led the bandwagon on a townie, 2. If Preston is telling the truth about himself, and has given an accurate assessment of things, then Lyner is a very likely suspect. 3. Wolfpacks is giving off a vibe that makes me a little worried and his voting habits are a bit unsettling to me.  I am still bothered that you haven't said a whole lot to contribute to the search, so I'm still eying you, but the finger is on the above three. 

 

Who are you looking at, Maz, and why?

[Mazuurek]

UNVOTE: Lyner
I wont vote yet to prevent the day from ending too quickly.

.  Right now I'm looking at Lyner, Preston, and Wolfpacks.

why are you not looking at me?
 

I'm looking at everyone, but I am most suspicious of  the three I mentioned because 1. Preston led the bandwagon on a townie, 2. If Preston is telling the truth about himself, and has given an accurate assessment of things, then Lyner is a very likely suspect. 3. Wolfpacks is giving off a vibe that makes me a little worried and his voting habits are a bit unsettling to me.  I am still bothered that you haven't said a whole lot to contribute to the search, so I'm still eying you, but the finger is on the above three. 
 
Who are you looking at, Maz, and why?

right now I'm just jumping on wagons since there isnt much else I can do :c

[Sister Midnight]

Maz, that looks a bit suspicious.  Do you have any opinions about anything at all?

[KevinH]

She walked back towards the green flames and went through them leaving Harry alone in the chamber.
Hermione Granger (KevinH) a Cop has gone away on night 6.

 

Bah

[Wolfpacks]

I believe there is a role blocker and this is why I had a ill advised defence of Ali I investigated him on night 3 and it came back gryffindor student I either misread this or someone block his true role from me.

I am Harry Potter 3 shot role cop.

I investigated KevinH and he came back Cop. I also investigated Finster and came back doctor.

Being new I didn't understand my role fully until now and should have saved at least one investigation, tbh i didn't even expect to be here this long.

I would like to know why maz can't do anything it does interest me, so until I see some concrete evidence not just wordso my vote stays the same

[Preston]

I'm sorry ISoc.  I was led astray.  
 
I am utterly confused, I want to vote Preston, but I think the role claim is very powerful and his outline of events spot on.  But he is the reason I voted for ISoc/Dean, a townie / one of my best mates.  I need to think on this and I need to see what Lyner says.  Right now I'm looking at Lyner, Preston, and Wolfpacks.

I wasn't the first vote on iSocialism yesterday, but I certainly had a loud voice in responding to his attacks... if anyone does what iSocialism did, there's not much of another way to react to it. Even knowing now that he was town, I can't see a different response than what I had to him yesterday - he got defensive back and forth with Wolfpacks, and when he finally posted his list of links the only content he got right was that I had initially suspected Kevin and Finster - the rest of it was false. I honestly thought I'd found a scum stretching to find some way to deflect attention from himself... turns out he was just being aggressive to get a reaction.

All I can really offer you SM is what I've already given - the detailed account of what I found with my role, and explanation on how what I learned influenced my actions. If nothing else you can look back at what I said about Finster being cleared by Samus's investigation of KevinH - almost half a month ago - and see where I left a hint way back then.
 

I believe there is a role blocker and this is why I had a ill advised defence of Ali I investigated him on night 3 and it came back gryffindor student I either misread this or someone block his true role from me.

I am Harry Potter 3 shot role cop.

I investigated KevinH and he came back Cop. I also investigated Finster and came back doctor.

Being new I didn't understand my role fully until now and should have saved at least one investigation, tbh i didn't even expect to be here this long.

I would like to know why maz can't do anything it does interest me, so until I see some concrete evidence not just wordso my vote stays the same

This is an interesting role claim Wolfpacks. If true that means town had a 3-shot role cop (you), a normal cop (KevinH), a tracker (samus) and a watcher (me). I suppose that is balanced in a sense; I have no solid reason to doubt that claim at this time.

I will add this information about your claimed role from Mafiawiki: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Role_Cop

A Role Cop is an investigative role that receives the role name of its target. In Normal games, this is "Cop", "Doctor", "Roleblocker, and so forth. There is no indication of the target's alignment; if a Mafia Goon is investigated, they return "Vanilla", although a Godfather will return "Godfather"

Bold emphasis added. So your role could only have found the Mafia Godfather, or identified one of the town roles to then know and protect. This is why Ali returned a 'normal' townie result to you, and that DOES explain why you were so conflicted about Kevin's result because it contradicted your own.

Ironically if you had saved an investigation, you could have helped find the godfather in these final few days... but as you said, you didn't expect to be here this long. Having any power role is a tradeoff between "Do I stay secret and investigate longer until I get a result, but risk dying without saying anything" versus "Do I reveal what I have gotten already so the town knows, but then set myself up to be killed." The decision was a little easier for me, ironically - I found the doctor's identity and didn't want to share it for fear of getting the doctor targeted, and then nothing else useful until now.

As for Mazuurek - frankly his jumping on wagons is a very worrisome/irritating pattern, because he does not seem to be doing any actual analysis of his own. However if he is truly new and just going with what sounds correct to him... I can somewhat understand him doing that. It would explain why his votes always followed Kevin's, the cop. Kevin also had a line of analysis that saw Mazuurek as not scum because scum could have lynched him... I didn't quite agree with the logic, but by sheer process of elimination if Lyner is a fourth scum and you are the fourth town role... hopefully that means there are no more scum waiting in the wings, which means that Mazuurek would be town - no matter how wagon-jumping he is.

However if there ARE two scum left - then that means today we are at Lynch or Lose (LyLo). Which would mean that if ONE townie puts their vote on another townie, then both scum could jump on it and immediately win the game. I dont think we have two scum still in play, but it's worth being careful all the same.

To elaborate on that as a just-in-case: If there are two scum left and we correctly lynch a scum today (which having found Lyner I think should not be difficult), then the game will NOT be over and we'll have another night phase - during which I will probably be killed, leaving the final day with two town and one scum. I hope this is not a scenario you'd have to deal with, because frankly I'd have no good suggestions on how to pick between you at that point.

I'm not sure what more I can add or say at this point. Hopefully Lyner won't keep us in suspense by lurking, but I'm not moving my vote - I am certain of my answer. I think my roleclaim stands on its own, but if you have any questions then you are welcome to ask them.

-Preston
Oh, and for clarity since I didn't spell this out explicitly: Because Wolfpacks' claimed role cop would return a 'normal' result for a mafia goon (which Ali was), no roleblocker would have been necessary to make that happen; that would be the natural result.
P.P.S: Huh, it just sorta... merged my second message in with the first. Neat. I didnt know it did that.

[Lyner]

Okay this is a lot of information to take, but first of all:

 

I'm Professor Filius Flitwick, a Universal Backup. I was being informed as a backup when Samus died and I inherited his ability.

 

I can confirm I tracked Kevin last night(targeted Mazuurek) and also tracked SM on night 5(targeted nobody).

 

This sounds silly by now but I have suspicion that Kevin might be a mafia JOAT/Cop at the time.

The reasons for my suspicions:
 

The dead scums are 2 vanila scum and a ninja. Seeing the town roles at the time: Tracker, Cop, Doctor, Backup; I find it difficult to believe that the remaining one is a standard godfather since it'd be very much unbalanced IMO. The scums have no active abilities, hence they can't fake role anything. A Tracker made sense since there is a ninja, but a doctor and a cop without any active abilities from the scum side? Finster can indefinitely protect Kevin to round up each scum that is not a godfather, which is a pretty foolproof strategy for town. So for balancing purpose, I think the last scum(s) must have some powerful ability. This leads me to:

 

Kevin might be a Mafia JoAT or Cop. If he is a cop, he can investigate people to receive their status (A Gryffindor student or Helpful Hogwart Staff) and used it to confirm his position as a town, AbT could sacrificed since he is a normal goon. This is Kevin we're talking about so it isn't too far fetched, his friend King did it on the first day. He also insisted that Wolfpack might be the godfather, which made me think he might be a pretending scum trying to confuse town. And lastly, Kevin didn't get killed and instead Finster the doctor get killed first.

 

Now that the ninja is dead, and Kevin might be the last scum, if he's scum he must've been the one who did the killing. Hence the tracking.

 

That's the gist of it, now in light of these new information, it is getting more confusing since town has more roles now.

 

Town: Tracker, Doctor, Cop, Backup, Watcher, Role Cop

Mafia: 2 Goons, Ninja

 

Now I'm really skeptical by Wolfpack and Preston's claims. First because of the imbalance in the scum/town power roles, and second the timings and the findings of both are very convenient, as in you can fake those because you already know the information by now, or those who are dead can't confirm it. Assuming that they're scums, this is my opinion:

 

First off, Preston. You can fake your night 2, 3, and 4 results by knowing the fact that Samus didn't die and Finster turned out doctor. If scum have investigation ability this also explains why Finster is chosen first before Kevin. The most important result is last night, where you watched me. If you're telling the truth that means there is another ninja that targeted Kevin last night or that I killed him last night, I tracked Kevin last night, so either you lied or there actually is a second ninja.

 

Second, Wolfpack. Just like Preston, his information can be faked easily since all his targets already died. Which once again makes sense if he is scum. About Ali's identity though, he is revealed as Peeves, and he isn't a Gryffindor student I think? So if Wolfpack actually a town Role Cop, a framer might be in play. If he is scum though, I guess he blundered that away.

 

 

Conclusion?

Either Preston or Wolfpack are lying, or both. There are too much town power roles that indicated that at least one of them lied, and if Preston is actually a scum, coming out today to kill me doesn't make sense if he's sure he can win the game.

 

We only have 5 person left, if there are 2 scums left, scum would win if they killed one more townie. If this is the case then Preston and Mazu are pretty much our scums since they piled on me early.

 

If only 1 scum is left though, then the potential scum is either Wolfpack or Mazu, and we had another day to confirm the last scum.

 

I'm pretty certain that Preston is our guy though. FoS Preston.

 

SM, since you're the only one I'm pretty sure is townie by now, I'm leaving the decision on you

[Preston]

I'm Professor Filius Flitwick, a Universal Backup. I was being informed as a backup when Samus died and I inherited his ability.
 
I can confirm I tracked Kevin last night(targeted Mazuurek) and also tracked SM on night 5(targeted nobody).

So now we have both Lyner and Wolfpacks claiming power roles. I really don't think BOTH can be telling the truth - in fact if EITHER is telling the truth then town has five roles already, so six would be pushing it.

First though I want to point out that Lyner's roleclaim is intended to explain how he could reasonably be targeting KevinH as last night for townie purposes. This means that Lyner just CONFIRMED my roleclaim as a watcher, unless he wants to then accuse me of flat-out guessing who targeted whom last night; with five people left alive that would be VERY foolish to do due to the low odds of getting it right by chance.

Because I saw ONLY Lyner on Kevin, this means there are two scenarios for resolving what happened:
1) Lyner is lying and he is the godfather scum who killed KevinH
2) Lyner is telling the truth and Scum do indeed have a second ninja - i.e. two of the same role (not common). This means they could NOT be godfather, and hence could only be someone not yet investigated by Kevin. That would limit the list to Mazuurek or SM as Ninja candidates.

Because Wolfpacks was already investigated by Kevin, he cannot be both Godfather and Ninja - so he did not do the kill last night. There is still the outside possibility Wolfpacks could be a second scum as his role cop claim COULD be faked (Lyner correctly points out that he only claims to have investigated already dead people), but we can ignore that possibility until after we have resolved the Lyner question.

So let's take a look at Lyner's claim rationale - and as a side note, I don't know why Lyner put that in a quote box? It's not a quote, that paragraph does NOT appear previously in this thread - you can check it yourself by searching for the words/phrases in it, try 'backup'.

Lyner's rationale is that for balance purposes he believes the scum must have had an active role of some kind, and hence Kevin could have been a JoAT - a.k.a. Jack-of-All-Trades: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Jack-of-all-trades - because a JoAT includes a cop role that Kevin could use to justify himself. However Mafiascum says that JoATs are one-shot in all their roles. A Kevin JoAT as Lyner claims would have required MULTIPLE investigations to look at everyone and get their student vs staff label correct. It would have also meant that Kevin was wasting his JoAT potential on his cop ruse instead of seeking town roles or adding an extra night kill with a JoAT one-shot vigilante.

Obviously Kevin did not turn out to be a JoAT, so all of this is moot - but I think this is a real stretch of a rationale for Lyner.

In terms of balance however since Lyner brings it up - if Scum had a Ninja and a Godfather, and town has investigative roles specifically defeated by those labels - that's actually fairly balanced. Consider the roles claimed prior to Lyner:
1) Cop (KevinH) - Cannot find the Godfather. Strongest investigative role, but must pick a scum out of everyone left alive. Once you report a result, you get a target on your back.
2) Tracker (Samus) - Must target someone who is using their role at night, but results do not confirm scum/town on their own. Once you report a result, you get a target on your back.
3) Watcher (Preston) - Must target someone who was targeted by someone else at night, but results do not confirm scum/town on their own. Once you report a result, you get a target on your back.
4) Doctor (Finster) - Keep the others alive after they have claimed or while they fumble through their investigations

If the above list holds, the Town had a doctor/cop combo (without knowing it in advance, which is key) and then a pair of weaker investigative roles prone to false positives - and all the roles had to get lucky and survive to reveal what they found before scum picked them off.

So with that said, let's look at what Lyner had to say about me - remembering that per above, Lyner has already confirmed my Watching by admitting he targeted KevinH last night:

First off, Preston. You can fake your night 2, 3, and 4 results by knowing the fact that Samus didn't die and Finster turned out doctor. If scum have investigation ability this also explains why Finster is chosen first before Kevin. The most important result is last night, where you watched me. If you're telling the truth that means there is another ninja that targeted Kevin last night or that I killed him last night, I tracked Kevin last night, so either you lied or there actually is a second ninja.

My night 2 and 3 results cannot be faked due to the quote I included above: the one where Samus' investigation of KevinH cleared Finster. That took place BEFORE Finster was killed and revealed as a doctor, which means I knew it way back then. Plus you have already confirmed that I have Watcher information because I saw you last night - which means my Watcher status is not in question at this point.

Second, Wolfpack. Just like Preston, his information can be faked easily since all his targets already died. Which once again makes sense if he is scum. About Ali's identity though, he is revealed as Peeves, and he isn't a Gryffindor student I think? So if Wolfpack actually a town Role Cop, a framer might be in play. If he is scum though, I guess he blundered that away.

Wolfpacks' role claim could indeed be faked because it only uses information from dead people. However you do not seem to understand how a role cop works either - Ali was Peeves, a Mafia Goon - but a Role Cop will not return 'Goon' because that would identify a scum. Per Mafiawiki, "if a Mafia Goon is investigated, they return "Vanilla"" - i.e. they return the same result one would get from investigating a vanilla townie, so Gryffindor Student is a valid result. No Framer is required for this... and a Framer would have been used to cause someone to turn up scummy, not appear town - and it would only apply to a NORMAL cop, not a role cop. So Framer doesn't even apply to a Role Cop claim.

So where does this leave us?

* Lyner has confirmed my roleclaim as Watcher by confirming he DID target KevinH last night.
* The only way Lyner could be telling the truth about targeting KevinH for a non-scum reason is if Scum has a second Ninja, which can only be Mazuurek or SM at this point. Which would mean that Lyner's only possible innocence is to vote for one of those two... and he just said he thinks SM is town.

Right now I am not inclined to believe there are two Ninjas in play, as that would doubly shut down BOTH Watcher and Tracker roles - i.e. scum would have to lose BOTH ninjas before either role could even see their night kill.

So I am going to keep my vote on Lyner - having worked through everything in writing this post, I think Lyner's Universal Backup claim is too much of a stretch.

I'll be back later tonight to answer any questions, but at this point I am confident in Lyner as scum.

-Preston

[Mazuurek]

I am going to role claim now since we're reaching the end of the game, my name is Oliver Wood, and I am a normal Hogwarts student.
I need t watch more HP :c

[Lyner]

You keep repeating "Lyner confirmed me" as most of your basis for argument, but no, I never stated that your 'watcher' status is legitimate. Explanation below.

 

 

First though I want to point out that Lyner's roleclaim is intended to explain how he could reasonably be targeting KevinH as last night for townie purposes. This means that Lyner just CONFIRMED my roleclaim as a watcher, unless he wants to then accuse me of flat-out guessing who targeted whom last night; with five people left alive that would be VERY foolish to do due to the low odds of getting it right by chance.

I only confirmed last night's watch, so you can be a JoAT for all I know. Note, however, that it might be a coincidence. If you're one of the 2 scums remaining, you can just claim that to frame me, and lynch me to win the game.

 

Lyner's rationale is that for balance purposes he believes the scum must have had an active role of some kind, and hence Kevin could have been a JoAT - a.k.a. Jack-of-All-Trades: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Jack-of-all-trades - because a JoAT includes a cop role that Kevin could use to justify himself. However Mafiascum says that JoATs are one-shot in all their roles. A Kevin JoAT as Lyner claims would have required MULTIPLE investigations to look at everyone and get their student vs staff label correct. It would have also meant that Kevin was wasting his JoAT potential on his cop ruse instead of seeking town roles or adding an extra night kill with a JoAT one-shot vigilante.

Obviously Kevin did not turn out to be a JoAT, so all of this is moot - but I think this is a real stretch of a rationale for Lyner.

1) Kevin might include one of his scum friends there, in that case: iSoc or Preston. So all he actually need is one investigation only, if he was a JoAT.

2) As I said, it sounds stupid but there is a possibility of Mafia Cop to throw off the towns.

 

I put it in quotes so it won't confuse people with the current condition, but oh well

 

My night 2 and 3 results cannot be faked due to the quote I included above: the one where Samus' investigation of KevinH cleared Finster. That took place BEFORE Finster was killed and revealed as a doctor, which means I knew it way back then. Plus you have already confirmed that I have Watcher information because I saw you last night - which means my Watcher status is not in question at this point.

Scums knew there is a protection or roleblock when Samus didn't die. If you're a JoAT you can track Finster and found him targeting Samus. Hence you knew Finster is Samus's saviour. This can also explains why Finster got killed before Kevin.

 

 

Also, point made on Wolfpack's case, bonus townie points for him.

 

So conclusions:

 

* Lyner has confirmed my roleclaim as Watcher by confirming he DID target KevinH last night.

* The only way Lyner could be telling the truth about targeting KevinH for a non-scum reason is if Scum has a second Ninja, which can only be Mazuurek or SM at this point. Which would mean that Lyner's only possible innocence is to vote for one of those two... and he just said he thinks SM is town.

Point 1 is false, you might be a scum JoAT.

Point 2 is false since my main conclusion on my last post said that there might be 2 scums left, that is you and Mazu.

[Preston]

Got a brief moment to check phone during lunch.

A response to Lyner:
Kevin investigated me and saw me as town. Thus I could only be a godfather if I were scum at all. JoAT or any active mafia role is not possible for me, as Kevin would have seen that as scum.

You've admitted I got a valid watcher result last night and saw you on kevin. So I must have some role. But if I were a non-godfather scum, Kevin would have seen that.

[Lyner]

Got a brief moment to check phone during lunch.

A response to Lyner:
Kevin investigated me and saw me as town. Thus I could only be a godfather if I were scum at all. JoAT or any active mafia role is not possible for me, as Kevin would have seen that as scum.

You've admitted I got a valid watcher result last night and saw you on kevin. So I must have some role. But if I were a non-godfather scum, Kevin would have seen that.

 

I wouldn't put it past TW for mafia to have multiple roles, on his last game each scums have "Encryptor" suffix so that if any of them dies they will still be able to communicate during the day, while having their respective abilities.

 

Not to mention, once again, a framer; although that possibility is smaller.

 

 

I'm gonna sleep now(asian time zone sucks), don't blow everything guys

[Sister Midnight]

If Kevin was a cop JOAT, he would have said so and I believe that would have been identified when he was murdered.  Lyner, your reasoning escapes me.  You look very scummy right now and I feel I must go with the evidence I am observing on this.

 

VOTE: LYNER

[Mazuurek]

VOTE: Lyner

[Preston]

Ugh, long work day - much tired, would not recommend. Back at my computer at least, but I'll be brief because my mind is zapped.

When I kept saying Lyner had confirmed my Watcher role - he did so by confirming what I got last night, admitting he targeted Kevin. There is no way I could have faked that knowledge as I said it before he did. And with my post of Samus on Kevin confirming Finster, I provide a second point where my watcher yielded a result.

Lyner then moved to saying I could still be faking that if I were a JoAT - using watcher power last night and something else to find Finster-as-doctor on the day I quoted. Problems with that:
1. Per my brief post mid-day today, if I am scum the ONLY thing I could be is a Godfather - no active roles or JoAT or anything. Otherwise Kevin would have seen me as scum.
2. If I were scum and I knew on that day that Finster was the doctor... WHY would I leave a hint like that in my post to show what I knew?
3. The night after I said that about Finster, Samus was the one killed - not Finster. If I were scum and I knew on that day Finster was a doctor, with two claimed town power roles were in play it would be 50/50 which role the doctor would be protecting. To go after EITHER would risk losing the night kill again, so the smart thing to do would have been to have IMMEDIATELY kill the doctor - but that is clearly not what happened.

Lyner's roleclaim seems tailored to be the ONE town case where he acknowledges my Watcher result is correct yet can still justify himself targeting Kevin. The only way he could be possibly telling the truth is if either I am lying (but not about him targeting KevinH), or if a second ninja/invisible scum kill took place. And in his last post he is saying that I could somehow be a... what, a godfather-JoAT mix?? - as what would be necessary for his argument to still hold. He is also still talking about framers...? I am not sure what that could possibly do at this point, as framers ONLY affect the result a normal cop would see - not watchers or trackers.

I'm sorry Lyner, you are asking us to assume too many conditions or might-have-beens to make your role claim remain possible.

It feels like Lyner was caught torn between justifying "Oh crap I was seen, gotta have a good reason for town to be targeting Kevin" and counter-attacking the person who saw him and was voting for him, i.e. me. If he had simply said I was lying entirely and that he did not target Kevin at all, that would have left my role claim looking weaker; but he did not do that, and instead admitted what I saw was true.

Someone might hammer this wagon at any time now that two votes are on it, and that's fine. I know what I saw last night with Lyner, and I would be EXTREMELY surprised if his universal backup still holds water with the town already having a confirmed Cop, Tracker, Doctor, and Watcher (me). The only question is whether that will end the game, or if one more scum is lurking among those who remain.

If there is another day after this, odds are VERY high I will be killed tonight. That would leave Mazuurek, Wolfpacks and SM alive. Mazuurek has claimed a normal non-role, and Wolfpacks has claimed a Role Cop.

Mazuurek has his pattern of lurking and the +1'ing on existing wagons. He hammered the iSoc wagon, though I cannot blame him for that - and he voted with me earlier today on Lyner, though he since unvoted. Lyner is calling Mazuurek my scum buddy in his attempt to defend himself. His claimed name 'Oliver Wood' has been posted in this thread before, but that may not mean anything.

Wolfpacks' claim would be a FIFTH town role - a little excessive but not so bad if there are actually five scum. His claim could have been faked because it provides no NEW information - only talks about people already dead. However it would serve to explain his disagreement with Kevin about Ali, based on him getting a 'normal' result from a role cop where Kevin would get a 'guilty' result from his normal cop.

Deciding between the two is going to be VERY difficult, so frankly I just hope there is not another day. If there is one... it'll be up to you to decide, SM.

And now, Goodnight.

-Preston
Addendum: And as I posted, Mazuurek has now delivered the third vote. Per usual, without any more to his post really.

I don't think SM is scum, and I know I am not scum... so this is not a two-scum wagon unless SM and Mazuurek are in cahoots together.

If Wolfpacks and Mazuurek are scum together... then I've got nothing left to say but good game.

Now we wait for TW to render the verdict.
P.P.S.: One more thought - we had my vote and mazuurek's vote on Lyner earlier, and Wolfpacks could have ended it then, but didnt. That suggests they are NOT scum together, which is good.

So yeah... here is hoping that is game win for Town. If it's not... tune in tomorrow for the final showdown?

[Lyner]

Ding ding ding

[Wolfpacks]

Before the the night comes, I haven't changed my vote because I truly don't trust you, if I'm wrong so be it town win, if I'm right I'll be gone and your know who to vote for next.

Ding ding ding

I think I have my answer lol