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[Robert2424]

I just did a soft claim, and my words are going completely over your head. The vote on finster was simply for him to explain his reasoning he didn't want to say. But you completly missed that twice. You skimming posts now also? 

[SeaBeeGipson]

I didn't know asking for a counter claim to your character claim was a soft claim.
I can see the point on the Finister vote if that is the reasoning, its a valid reason. It also isn't my concern. What I was concerned about is how besides those who voted on you, that was the only person in the post you wrote about. Not everyone who had wanted a response or threatened a vote. Just active voters and Finister. That concerns me.
On the note of actually agreeing with you, I do have concerns about those not voting. D43th especially after his recent posts.

A few valid points, however, does not excuse the scummish behavior you have exhibited that multiple people have mentioned throughout this game. Again, I highly doubt you'll flip town. But if you do, I completely welcome anyone challenging my alignment in this game. I'm almost certain your scum that I'm willing to take that stance.

[Robert2424]

I do imagine you'll be under the microscope King H. Weather I'm lynched today or die tonight. I've already laid the ground work. People have been lynched for less then your behavior. 

 

The people who are not voting, it unacceptable. We have to lynch the scum in order to win. You sitting back and letting crap wagons like the one on me or mandarjin happen is just playing piss poor. 

[KevinH]

I agree with Robert2424 in that everyone should be voting somewhere.  

 

I don't really see anyone standing out as the most scummy, but we need to lynch someone.  If either Robert or Mandarijn flip town, I'll be most suspicious of those that didn't vote.

[1ceCream]

Vote: Robert.

 

Seeing that Robert is probably going to the chopping block at deadline.

[Finster Baby]

Vote Finster
 
 

sort of lean towards Mandj right now for some reason that I can't articulate.

If they are good enough reasons to place a vote on Mandarjin, they are good enough to share and say.

Well that came out of the blue. I defend you by not voting for you, yet you vote for me because of a comment I made about Mandj?

Here, I'll clarify: By reasons I can't articulate I meant just a feeling. Nothing I can put words to, just a feeling. But your RC (which is really not much of a claim) does give me pause from voting for you, as if you are truly town, I don't want to lighten our cause any further.

I'll be watching you though.

[Wolfpacks]

Im not going to vote just because im told to just because it will make me look more town, i like to make my own mind up, tbh i think Robert has enough votes to lynch him anyway without my help unless the Mandi wagon gets bigger before deadline, if Robert flips town then we have a few suspects to play with, if not we have a lot more, mandi on the other hand i think if he had a real important part to play then i think he would have been replace as asked, ive seen TW do this in other games.
I do have a couple of suspicions of my own, Death and Maz, Death because of his unvote earlier, if it was meaningless why change it, let it go and move on or just vote for someone else, Maz because i dislike his gameplay it just doesnt help Town at all, but saying all this i think mandi needs to be put out of his misery.

Vote Mandi

[Chaplain of death]

 

Okay, i'll enlighten the idea.
1) you claim AbT tunnel visioned you and I voted for no reason. Both AbT and myself have stated the lack of any meaning in your posts. These comments exist from both of us prior to AbT voting for you.
2)AbT has targetted and questioned several people. Look back
3) Hagrid? Is that your safe claim? We've establish through the last games that scum have safe claim. Character claims are pointless and purely narrative at this point.
Yehom is viewinf the thread so he can respond to you regarding himself.
Vote for Finister? Is this you trying ti pin a townie after you die and get confirmed scum by making us think you were distancing yourselves?
Again, your post nearly confirms my suspicions about you.

If you read his posts, he twisting everything that I'm saying and trying to push to lynch the most active player with people jumping on for next to no reason including you. I've added more to this game then both your and ali combined. So when you say, I lack any meaning in my posts, your posts are ussally so small and meanless nobody can hardly get a read on you. So maybe you should check yourself. At least ali makes longer posts with some substance. This is probally your biggest post in the entire game, and I hade to apply pressure just to get you to say anything. 

 

Hagrid is the character name given with my role. The rules state no mass role claiming is involved and seemed to hint role claiming is frowned on like in my games. Name claiming however was never mentioned. This is a themed mafia game. in case you missed the Harry potter theme. I would imagine mafia would have a safe claim of some sort. I truly wonder if you've seen the movies. Nobody is going to counter claim me unless they want to immiditly out themselves as scum. Hagrid is a character who appears frequently in the movies and I imagine just as often in the books. He's likely to be in the game, and you not saying anything to respond to it looks extreamly scummy. 

 

You do seem to want to defend Ali while he's not here. He your scum partner? 

 

Finster should at least explain himself and due to when I know he gets online he probally respond to my post before the day ends. 

 

I found you lurking(Which is a scum tell in case you didn't know), unable to provide substance until I put pressure on you. You clinging to Ali when I finally called you out for your small posts and you just sheeping with ali here. You've also decided to ignore a name claim also. 

 

Unvote

Vote King H

 

My vote cannot be anywhere but here. You are likely scum who don't want to commit to the game and hoping everybody is too inactive to see my name claim for an easy town lynch. If anybody is likely scum it be you King H, witch if you flip scum, I imagine Ali will too. it matter little though if I'm killed during the day other then impacting the people who lynched me. I'm twice as likely to die as any town during the night Especially after my name claim now. 

Yehom now also appears to be lurking. I'm not afraid to call you guys out. 

 

 

 

Role claiming for the sake of roleclaiming if frowned upon. Role claiming when you are on the chopping block has and always will be an integral part of the game. You can choose not to do so if you think the risk is worth it (if you are town) but your claim that it isn't allowed to role claim when you are about to be lynched is completely false.

 

You have the most posts, however people with a fraction of your posts have contributed exponentially more to the conversation. As AbT and KingH said, there is no substance to your posts. You ask everyone else to give their input, demand activity within hours after having been inactive for multiple days yourself, and none of that seems like grounds for suspicion? Perhaps examine your own play for why people might be suspicious of you.

 

Saying someone is lurking just because they didn't post ONE TIME when they were online is, for lack of a better word, stupid. Lurking is a persistent behavior in which the player adds nothing of substance to the conversation. Which is funny because usually people associate that with whoever posts the least, but you can lurk with the highest post count just like you are this game, so long as your posts are always just calling for other people to give input without giving any whatsoever yourself.

 

(sorry if my post seems like it jumps around, I responded to your points as I read them in the quoted post)

[Robert2424]

When people are reading THIS THREAD and then not posting is lurking. They are up to date. It's a scum tell, and Rhizo has done it twice in one day. How do you guys not know what lurking Is? Secondly Champlain, I've committed more to this then Ali and king H combined. This wagon is bullshit and people are just saying I'm not doing anything to add to the conversation witch is 1 false and 2 laughable by the people who are saying it.

I was hoping for something different from foster then a guy feeling. Guess he needed to start for that to be correct. Secondly, defending me? If you believe in what I said you should say something, instead only says you it gives you pause so no, I can't buy you believe or defending me.

You guys are absolutely horrible at reading posts. So we are going to have a Lynch based off of crap reasoning and when I flip the bodyguard what they going to say? Ops. He should of claimed earlier. Half the people in this game are too inactive mafia are probably the main people who are active or this Lynch wouldn't. Everyone on my bandwagon look VERY scummy and you'll try to throw it off as I didn't try to do anything to help the town. Given my role and so many people doing absolutely nothing and inability to see a obvious soft claim of a bodyguard, but inability or your trying to purposely Lynch a townie. For the next day phase since I hope town will wake up and look at this wagon and see how bad it is.

So either two things, you are too new to the game to get common references or your scum and trying to slide a free Lynch to get one step closer for you winning as scum. There is no inbetween. Either a bad mafia player in general or scum who hoping the majority of the town stays inactive.

Ali or king H are good candidates for a day 3 Lynch. King H being the worse out of the two with Ali adding very little other than tunneling and then inactive for

I doubt now the wagon can be reversed with ice-cream jumping on less minute for the sake of being on the lynching wagon. Witch is poor play in General also.

Now will the town ignore what I have to say after I'm lynched for piss poor reasoning, and how will they try to defend yourself after I'm lynched and the truth is in light. How will scum attempt to twist this? Or will they ignore the person whose played mafia since 2006?

[Finster Baby]

I told you Robert, your RC gave me some pause for jumping on your bandwagon, which, in all honesty was what I'm looking for. You didn't claim a power role, but that makes sense since its only D2 and putting that big a target on your back is counterproductive.

Right now all we have to go by is what little posts the others are making and gut feelings. I can't point to one specific post that Mand made that made me scream "thats it!" but just a general vibe from his posts.

Based on YOUR role claim, I'm inclined to keep you alive. Get you investigated overnight and work from there. It served the town well last game until Preston screwed THAT all up!

However, there are a LOT of non-participants. Your inactivity doesn't help your cause.

[Yehom]

I'll post something later today (busy week), but a small remark that I want to make alreadyit: I'm seeing a lot of ranting now from Roberts side. It only took us what 11 pages and what 50 comments on his part for him to finally say something we can half use

[Finster Baby]

I'll post something later today (busy week), but a small remark that I want to make alreadyit: I'm seeing a lot of ranting now from Roberts side. It only took us what 11 pages and what 50 comments on his part for him to finally say something we can half use

I hate it when he's right. LOL

[Chaplain of death]

When people are reading THIS THREAD and then not posting is lurking. They are up to date. It's a scum tell, and Rhizo has done it twice in one day. How do you guys not know what lurking Is? Secondly Champlain, I've committed more to this then Ali and king H combined. This wagon is bullshit and people are just saying I'm not doing anything to add to the conversation witch is 1 false and 2 laughable by the people who are saying it.

I was hoping for something different from foster then a guy feeling. Guess he needed to start for that to be correct. Secondly, defending me? If you believe in what I said you should say something, instead only says you it gives you pause so no, I can't buy you believe or defending me.

You guys are absolutely horrible at reading posts. So we are going to have a Lynch based off of crap reasoning and when I flip the bodyguard what they going to say? Ops. He should of claimed earlier. Half the people in this game are too inactive mafia are probably the main people who are active or this Lynch wouldn't. Everyone on my bandwagon look VERY scummy and you'll try to throw it off as I didn't try to do anything to help the town. Given my role and so many people doing absolutely nothing and inability to see a obvious soft claim of a bodyguard, but inability or your trying to purposely Lynch a townie. For the next day phase since I hope town will wake up and look at this wagon and see how bad it is.

So either two things, you are too new to the game to get common references or your scum and trying to slide a free Lynch to get one step closer for you winning as scum. There is no inbetween. Either a bad mafia player in general or scum who hoping the majority of the town stays inactive.

Ali or king H are good candidates for a day 3 Lynch. King H being the worse out of the two with Ali adding very little other than tunneling and then inactive for

I doubt now the wagon can be reversed with ice-cream jumping on less minute for the sake of being on the lynching wagon. Witch is poor play in General also.

Now will the town ignore what I have to say after I'm lynched for piss poor reasoning, and how will they try to defend yourself after I'm lynched and the truth is in light. How will scum attempt to twist this? Or will they ignore the person whose played mafia since 2006?

 

For someone who's played since 2006 you don't seem to be able to view how you come across in their perspective at all.

 

Many people, me included, will open this thread when they login to the forums. There are a number of times when I do that in which I do not actually read the thread, I end up closing it as I spent all my time online doing other shit and never got to it (yes, I can be one of THOSE people from time to time with the 5 billion tabs). Lurking in and of itself is not contributing to the conversation in any meaningful way. It can be accomplished in a number of ways, by not posting at all (feigning inactivity), by posting just enough, or by posting a lot but not contributing anything. You haven't "committed" anything to the conversation. As far as I've seen your posts entail calling other people out to contribute for the most part. I have yet to see any of YOUR thoughts other than the OMGUS that you are running with now which accounts for exactly nothing since its an OMGUS.

 

I find it odd that your choice in defending yourself is to throw your experience in our faces and then accuse us of not knowing anything. I'm fairly sure everyone else here has played enough mafia to understand how role claiming works and what the rules are for it, yet you seem not to. I'm also fairly sure that everyone else here can tell when someone is putting them self out there and contributing their thoughts on the situation, and when someone is posting a bunch of crap so that they end up at the top of Kevin's little post count lists so that they can point to the list and say "SEE IM A TOWNIE!!!!! I POST A LOT!!!!!".

 

Unfortunately its altogether possible that you are a townie, but your choices in how you've defended yourself, how you role claimed, and how you chose to play the game thus far appears far scummier than anything else we have to go on. Also I find it odd that given the fact that I placed the deciding vote on you, you still only accuse Ali and KingH of being scum. Usually its the hammer vote that gets the attention for being scum. Perhaps scum investigated ali and found him to have a power role? Depends on how Robert flips. 

[Robert2424]

I'll post something later today (busy week), but a small remark that I want to make alreadyit: I'm seeing a lot of ranting now from Roberts side. It only took us what 11 pages and what 50 comments on his part for him to finally say something we can half use

I don't see you commiting much to the conversation either, maybe you should look in the mirror before you open your mouth with the same crap. 

[Robert2424]

@champlian, lurking is a scum tell, if you don't want to except it, fine, but when I see somebody reading the thread, I'm expect them to post. I will call somebody out on it everytime. Second, I don't see you adding much to the conversation either, so your point is moot. 

 

Again, crap reasoning, I'll be lynched for "not adding enough to the conversation", when I see next to nothing you guys add. Talk about hypocritical. This is more of, lets just jump on a bandwagon more then anything. One person started and its a domino effect. Just like with the no lynch, cept people were probally going to to go for a no lynch anyways. 

 

I'll be lynched in a few hours here, so it matters little, my role will be revealed by TW and people know I was telling the truth. You've killed off a power townie, but in this game hopefully it dosen't bite us too much on the ass cause I believe there are multiple power townies being a themed game and with so many people. But again, this is my "half baked theory" according to ali, not that I'm creating these theory's from my past experiences or anything like that. Witch my theory's tend to be right for the most part. Course ali trys to use a game i was town in also to argue why I could be scum, when I was town. 

 

We are unlikely to hear from Yehom as the game going to be over in a few hours. He should know this unless he's not paying attention. So a post of, I'll post later, will be his excuse of why the town bodyguard was lynched after he claimed. Not very smart, but he can play the game however he wants. 

[Finster Baby]

Maybe you should switch to decaf dude.

[Preston]

Didn't get back to this thread last night, so reading it this morning has been interesting. 
 
KevinH's focus on Mand is not unusual per his standard "lynch the most inactive first" logic, and it sets up an alternative lynch target with a neutral reason that no one could blame him for.
 
However Robert's response and reactions have only hurt his case, and at this point if we DONT lynch Robert that suspicion will linger over the following days. What Yehom said is succinct but true:

I'm seeing a lot of ranting now from Roberts side. It only took us what 11 pages and what 50 comments on his part for him to finally say something we can half use

Ranting aside, there is some actual content to Robert's posts:
1) Initial name-claim as Hagrid, relying on his name to prove himself - King H is correct that it's been established TW gives scum safe claim names, and this very point has shown up in previous TW games: relying on JUST your name is not only worthless, it's scummy. Robert talked about "imagining" scum have a safe claim, and that no one is going to counter claim him... that's the entire point of a safe claim. Robert then attacked KingH for ignoring his name claim, as though it should have carried weight.

2) Robert uses the term "Bodyguard" in his post without explicitly saying "I'm Hagrid and I'm a Bodyguard" - I assume this is his actual roleclaim. Bodyguard is a strange role to have - it's a doctor that dies if they would have blocked a kill. It's in the list TW says COULD be in the game, but it's a weak role... I'd put this in the same category as King H's "Nurse" claim last game, trying to find something you can fake that no one else would have. A "Bodyguard" claim does not draw a counterclaim from an actual Doctor, for example. He also held off on dropping his actual role until mere hours before the deadline - I would understand not wanting to claim at all but waiting did him no favors. Given how fake-able a 'bodyguard' claim is due to it being an uncommon role, the wait also makes me think he wanted to avoid committing to it because he knew it would be weak.

3) The sudden heavy increase in Robert's activity as he is about to be lynched - can hardly be bothered to answer questions until now, and now that he's talking he is slinging accusations more than defending himself. If Robert had approached this far more calmly and said "Okay, I'm at 4 votes - time to roleclaim. I'm Hagrid, a bodyguard - like a doctor but I die if the person I protect is targeted. Still want to lynch me?" - that would have generated FAR more doubt and sympathy towards him, but instead he has been insulting - implying that everyone else doesnt know how to play the game. This isn't Town of Salem where everything is mechanical and quick - this is forum mafia where people have more time to form impressions and your words (or lack thereof) count for more.

At this point I am comfortable voting Robert for the above reasons plus all the suspicion he generated from his evasive past posts prior to his ranting return. There's an outside possibility he's actually town, but the combination of name-claim insistence and a fakeable bodyguard claim create enough uncertainty that he would remain high on my suspect list if he's not dealt with now. If Robert *is* telling the truth, then we'll lose a weak protective role that only redirects a kill attempt once if he gets lucky - something of a loss, but not on par with an actual doctor. I have difficulty believing TW would put a bodyguard in the game... it's almost like a punishment role unless it had some other modifiers on it, but Robert hasn't listed any.

Vote: Robert

-Preston

[Yehom]

Doing this on my phone at work so this will be kept short, but the message will be all the same.

Again every post that has posted by Robert ever since he's been close to getting lynched, have all been full on rants about he actually is contributing, how has so much experience playing the game and how everything everybody else says is bullshit unless you agree with him. Talk about good discussion. To top is all of he then on the last possible point of the day half-heartily sort of roleclaim, which we can't even call a claim because you're basically tiptoeing around that as well. I don't know what you're playing at, but whether you're town or scum, it was played very poorly. I still think, seeing all the actions that have led to this, that you're scum and like I said if not, then that was very very poorly bad for someone with so much 'experience'.

[Mazuurek]

ive been sick and im not getting better, going to get a replacement.

[Sister Midnight]

Maz, I'm so sorry you're sick.

 

Robert's role claim is believable to me because Hagrid is such an important flavor character and no one is counter claiming.  Robert's style is abrasive and overly intense, which doesn't help him, but based on his claim I am not going to vote for him.  I do not know who to vote for.  I have been extremely busy and don't have a lot of time atm to focus on this, but I don't think Robert is scum.

 

If he turns out to be scum then that says a lot about the roles TW is giving out.  Up to now the fake claims have been minor characters, for him to now give major characters as fake claim is a BIG change.