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[D34THBR1NG3R]

Mmkay, what I've gained from this is...

 

1ceCream has pretty much no opinion of his own, he copied the beginning part about me and then said stuff he said earlier. Said Rhizo summed up what he wanted to say. Although it would still be helpful to hear exactly what your opinion is on. I think his scum list is based on other scum lists. He also stated people are inactive which everyone already knew, probably trying to just make his post longer so it looks like he's contributing.

 

And you asked me if I wanted you to post fluff. My answer is no, I want you to post anything at all, you posted nothing all day EVEN WHEN you were called out multiple times. Opinions let us gain info on you and how you think and what your relations are with certain peopleI said I would vote if he said what I said above in my earlier post but I'm getting a confused and clueless town, or maybe he's a confused and clueless scum that is trying way too hard to look like he doesn't know what to do so we let him off the hook. I'm not voting for him yet but I really want to... I don't trust/like this at all.

[KevinH]

Vote: 1ceCream

 

Since nobody is joining me on my first choice, it's time to move on.

 

1ceCream's post seems like he's trying too hard not to be scummy.

[Sister Midnight]

I will try to post an analysis later today.

[The Warrior]

 "You need your inner eye tested."

 

Vote Count

 

Wolfpacks (2): iSocialism, D34THBR1NG3R

1ceCream (2): Chaplain of Death, KevinH

Ali bin Turban (0):

Chaplain of Death (0):

D34THBR1NG3R (0):

iSocialism (0):

KevinH (0):

King Hitler (0):

Mandarijn (0):

Preston (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

Sister Midnight (0):

Yehom (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

 

Not Voting: 1ceCream, Ali bin Turban, King Hitler, Mandarijn, Preston, Rhizoctonia, Sister Midnight, Wolfpacks, Yehom

 

With 13 players alive it takes 7 to lynch or 4 at deadline.
Deadline is 11:00am CST on Friday, October 28th.

[Wolfpacks]

Just to make it clear, my opinion on ABT hasn't changed I just added a few more that I was suspicious of( and I don't mean more suspicious of) yes Seabeegee(sorry couldn't resist) did push for the lynch but ABT started the wagon and was pretty set that he was scum even after his RC,the rest jumped on the wagon after without no particular reason, also I've seen nothing from him or anyone else connected seem apologetic that they messed up, instead two of them jumped on me pretty quick because I named them as suspicious. To that fact nobody else on that wagon tackled me even after I said the whole wagon was suspicious.
You say ABT is scum hunting but what's to say I'm not, is it because I lack the experience that calling out ABT cannot be considered Scumhunting.

Ok cat amongst the pigeons time

Vote ABT

Reasons because he started the wagon on Robert, he continued to push Robert even after his RC and for jumping on my back for calling him out for it. I don't believe he is scum hunting but Town hunting,

[Yehom]

Seemed to agree with Kevin on the idea of voting Mandarijn today, which I do not agree with now that technically is the only player we know we shouldn't expect any posts from (though we have quite a few inactive players in general).  Suspicious of anyone not looking outside of Mand.

Where the hell did you hear this? I suggest you read my post again if you actually think that that is what I said about the matter. I said that I understand where both you and Kevin were going from and that IF (empathizing it just so it's clear for you) I had to make a choice for the 3 inactives that we had in this game on D2, I chose Manda for the reasons I've stated earlier.  I don't know whether it was you actually misreading what I meant, or some cheap way of putting words in my mouth, because I did not intend on voting for Manda in this stage of the game at all, given how the situation is right now, even though he has yet to say anything D3 (which is questionable behavior that you apparently approve of if I were to interpret your post the same way you interpreted mine). 

 

I don't know what to make of anything so far. Call it inactivity, call it poor play, but the fact of the matter is that not a lot has been said thus far that is useless and not a lot of people are contributing. Therefore I find it useless to go and make those list at this point in the game, because there is simply too little that has happened so far so the information that you have is very limited and very skewed. 

 

That being said I think it's pretty questionable that Icecream has been called out on the fact that he's inactive, yet he responds for the first time and only time yesterday with a post saying there is noting to talk about. This in combination with the fact that he has been playing like this the entire game, tells me that he has something to hide. Also I'd like to point out that he is playing in the other mafia game that is currently running, so he can't possibly be inactive like Manda or Preston is. He should have the time to be active, yet he refuses to do so. Everything added up together it has scummy written all over it. 

 

Vote: 1ceCream

[The Warrior]

"Would anyone like me to help interpret the shadowy portents within their orb?"

 

Vote Count

 

1ceCream (3): Chaplain of Death, KevinH, Yehom

Wolfpacks (2): iSocialism, D34THBR1NG3R

Ali bin Turban (1): Wolfpacks

Chaplain of Death (0):

D34THBR1NG3R (0):

iSocialism (0):

KevinH (0):

King Hitler (0):

Mandarijn (0):

Preston (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

Sister Midnight (0):

Yehom (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not Voting: 1ceCream, Ali bin Turban, King Hitler, Mandarijn, Preston, Rhizoctonia, Sister Midnight

With 13 players alive it takes 7 to lynch or 4 at deadline.
Deadline is 11:00am CST on Friday, October 28th.

[Rhizoctonia]

 

Seemed to agree with Kevin on the idea of voting Mandarijn today, which I do not agree with now that technically is the only player we know we shouldn't expect any posts from (though we have quite a few inactive players in general).  Suspicious of anyone not looking outside of Mand.

Where the hell did you hear this? I suggest you read my post again if you actually think that that is what I said about the matter. I said that I understand where both you and Kevin were going from and that IF (empathizing it just so it's clear for you) I had to make a choice for the 3 inactives that we had in this game on D2, I chose Manda for the reasons I've stated earlier.  I don't know whether it was you actually misreading what I meant, or some cheap way of putting words in my mouth, because I did not intend on voting for Manda in this stage of the game at all, given how the situation is right now, even though he has yet to say anything D3 (which is questionable behavior that you apparently approve of if I were to interpret your post the same way you interpreted mine). 

 

I don't know what to make of anything so far. Call it inactivity, call it poor play, but the fact of the matter is that not a lot has been said thus far that is useless and not a lot of people are contributing. Therefore I find it useless to go and make those list at this point in the game, because there is simply too little that has happened so far so the information that you have is very limited and very skewed. 

 

That being said I think it's pretty questionable that Icecream has been called out on the fact that he's inactive, yet he responds for the first time and only time yesterday with a post saying there is noting to talk about. This in combination with the fact that he has been playing like this the entire game, tells me that he has something to hide. Also I'd like to point out that he is playing in the other mafia game that is currently running, so he can't possibly be inactive like Manda or Preston is. He should have the time to be active, yet he refuses to do so. Everything added up together it has scummy written all over it. 

 

Vote: 1ceCream

 

 

 

There was no intent to put words in your mouth.  Now maybe I took your comment wrong of "I also kind of share Kevin's feel a little bit," but this is how I read it.

 

This was Kevin's post prior to yours

 

My point regarding those not voting was that they were allowing Robert to be lynched.

The wagon on Robert might have been a bunch of good-intentioned townies while those not voting were scum trying to avoid suspicion.

The town had to lynch someone and Robert didn't do himself any favors with the defense that he gave.

However, I thought Mandarijn was a better choice yesterday and I think he is the best choice now since I'm not seeing any scum-tells from anybody else.

 

Your post following

 

I do want to say that I do follow your train of thought Rhizo, but I also kind of share Kevin’s feel a little bit, whether that be his actual feeling I don’t know, but it is mine. Earlier D3 I already pointed out that of all the ‘inactives’, Manda was the one that had the most suspicion to me. He rarely posted and when he did his contribution was basically that he didn’t have anything. Topping it off people asked him how he felt, nothing came out, not even a single vote. Do I think that Manda is busy, yes. But like I said before, you can be busy for a longer period of time, but still post how you feel in 1 post like Preston did so well. You don’t have to be around 24/7, but making the effort like you also did, to share your feelings in one go is enough. Manda didn’t do that, he blatantly did the opposite actually by devoting the time that he had to say there is nothing

 

 

Kevin mentions Mand being the best choice for yesterday.  He also posts, he feels he's the best choice today.  Then you reply that you share Kevin's feeling a bit, and go on to describe reasons you find Mandarijn suspicious.  Thus to me, I took it as you follow his train of thought as Mandarijn being the best candidate yesterday as well as today, and then proceed to shed reasons why he would be a good candidate to lynch.  

 

Kevin had already put his vote on Mandarijn and stated that he believed Mand was the best candidate for today...so when I read you "share Kevin's feels a bit,"  I take that as you share the feeling that Mandarijn is possibly a good person to be lynching today.

 

Now it seems from your response that you weren't sharing his feeling of Mandarijn being the best candidate today, rather you were agreeing with why Mandarijn was the best candidate yesterday when we had 3 inactives.   Your earlier response when you made the comment makes is rather hard to decipher what exactly you're "sharing the same feelings with Kevin about."

[Ali bin Turban]

@Wolfpacks - you're wrong about jumping. When you said you're suspecting me I asked what's your reasoning - that's not jumping. You failed to provide answer and started to backtrack instead. The good thing about you right now is that you're not scared but even have voted on me. I think that's quite unusual for scum. Not when you're endangered of being lynched - I could've voted on you and put you in a danger zone. That makes you more townish in my eyes, even though that "putting mandarijn out of his misery" haunts my memory.

 

I'm still thinking about who to vote on. I'd like to see what SM has to say.

 

I'm not so sure about 1ceCream. Lurking is bad, but when my suspects are finger-pointing at him or straight voting I'm uneasy with that. I'm also finding Yehom coming to his conclusions to easy and putting that vote to lightly to my liking.

[Rhizoctonia]

As I said earlier, I don't like posting if I don't have anything to say on here. 

 

It seems that most of the people are inactive. Mand asked for a replacement although no one has been found. Yes, I've been inactive, but I don't like posting fluff as I said up top. Also, I'm not a great player by any means.

 

Also, D34TH, do you want me to post fluff?

 

My suspects are mostly D34TH and WP.

 

D34TH caught my attention when he started getting all defensive. But, last HP game, he was like that and was town, and in the MK game when he was scum, he wasn't so quick to defend against attention. Possibly a town, although he may have changed up his game. However, when he was questioned by Robert in that game, he was more defensive.

 

WP: Rhizo summed up what I wanted to say.

 

 

You staying quiet and not participating is also doing nothing to help town, in fact if you're town, you're hurting it because your unwillingness to participate in the game makes you look quite suspicious, especially when you're posting in other mafia games and actively reading this one without posting ever.  No one is asking you to post fluff, we're asking you to look to put in your input on people, and challenge people's posts.  Could you screw up and say the wrong thing and look scummy, sure...but you not participating is also making you look scummy so you my as well play.  I started out my first 2 mafia games being caught early on as a SK and scum...getting lynched in the first few days on both games.  It was probably the best thing that could happen to me because it forced me to argue and look into ways to try to dispute being scum and survive lynch.  Did it work...no, but through my early games of getting knocked out early I picked up on becoming better at the game.  I've become decent at this game, but far from great, but every game I learn something or look to better my playing, and you aren't going to do that by sitting inactive and quiet.  

 

You can't continue to play the, "i don't have anything to say," every game.  You've played a few games, you shouldn't any longer look to just be inactive if you're town.  You've been a chronic lurker and taking many people calling you out to even have you say anything.  I don't know if you're just hoping to not post and not draw attention to you, but when someone isn't posting at all during the day yet is posting in other mafia games...it starts to look quite suspicious.  

[Yehom]

@Ali: what's the alternative? Sitting on our hands while we play a game of mafia with half the players inactive? If you're that blatantly not participating, but do have the time to do so, that to me is worse than lurking. It's counterproductive, it's contra-town

[SeaBeeGipson]

Now this. This is turning into an active game! Thank you!

I may not have the ability to get on before deadline. Going to NYC. I'll place my vote in the chance I don't get on.

Vote Sister Midnight. Highest on my scum list, hasnt voted to my knowledge.

[1ceCream]

Ok then, considering I'm on the fence, and town is gonna mislynch me, I'm going to roleclaim now.

 

I am Fred Weasley, a normal Hogwarts Student.

 

Seeing three people on my lynch makes me feel like at least one of them is scum. With some inactives, my lynch wouldn't be able to reach 3 without scum supporting it by voting me. Leading a lynch on me could be possible, and I was already in a defensive position when Chap voted on me. Seeing that no other lynch is probably going to happen overnight and town doesn't want to no lynch at deadline, I'm a goner. CoD will probably not be able to pull his vote in time, so hopefully Kevin or Yehom will remove their vote from me. I don't know what'll happen if they do, seeing that no one else has a clear majority, but I'm a townie.

[Rhizoctonia]

Well 1cecream has now RC'd.  If it's true or not is another question.  Not like anyone can counter claim it...it's been revealed to me that Mod's give out another name they can use with their "safe claim" they've been given, so we can't look at names and he doesn't have a PR.  He's played like this every game I've played with him, always staying quiet.  It has allowed him to get far at times...so it comes down to is 1cecream really a town and needs to honestly start looking to play and participate and stop pulling what Rafay's usually does, or is he playing like he is to hope to coast by as a scum?

Personally speaking, I think we should look to get at least a day extension.  People seem to finally be talking...yet it took til the end to have happen.  Yet to really hear any thoughts from SM nor Preston, and Isocialism hasn't appeared in days.  

 

I am back and forth on who to vote for, but what I do know is we can't end the day without a lynch.  I've listed my 4 I'm most likely to vote for, 2 of which currently have 0 votes (d34th and Kevin), so it's likely going to come down to 1cecream and WP at this point due to time left in day and activity levels of many.  

 

If we test 1cream's claim of a VT, the worse we're out is VT who hasn't done anything to really help town, or he's scum fake RCing.  

 

WP's recent vote on AbT doesn't help with my suspicion of him.  He started the day seemingly calling AbT/Yehom as being the most suspicious to then saying he thinks everyone on Robert's wagon is suspicious no matter what order in the lynch they were and he was more suspicious of people who voted later then AbT.  After all that of seemingly taking back calling AbT the most suspicious, he put's a vote on AbT for the reasons he seemed to backtrack from during the day.  The flip-flopping is unreal...if you felt AbT was the most scummish for starting the wagon on Robert and pushing to get him lynched, why then when AbT questioned you did you then say you're more suspicious of people who voted later then him?

 

I'll look to see if anyone responds while I'm sleeping, hopefully Preston/SM/socalism replies with their thoughts before I cast my vote which is leaning towards WP.

[Preston]

Didn't get back yesterday, but I'm here tonight. Day 3 started on page 12, and we're now on page 16 - 4 pages of content, if I include what happened before my prior posts.

Reading through it all in sequence like this, here is a condensed view of what has stood out to me:

1. Wolfpacks has made some strange moves; he tried to claim end of robert's wagon was suspect after he had pointedly avoided Robert's wagon after the lynch was set. This led to questioning of Wolfpacks by Ali, Yehom, and D34TH. On the one hand it felt like Wolfpacks was trying to set up a wagon rationale that didn't take - but despite his initial statement about looking at the END of robert's wagon, he keeps coming back to Ali who was at the FRONT of the wagon. Not sure what to make of that contradiction.

2. "KevinH and the question of inactives" - could be a HP-style book title. Rhizo and Yehom have been supporting characters on this one, in terms of the discussion on when it's worth selecting inactives versus not. I know some of this is just KevinH's style, but when I see him posting all of Mand's posts or trying to pull votes to his inactive-mand wagon by noting that Finster voted for Mand... it feels like he's stretching. So when he suddenly jumps to 1cecream, that makes me a less sure about the scumminess of 1cecream himself.

3. 1ceCream - presents a very actively scummy picture and if they are town I'd kinda want to hit them for it, same as Robert for his scummy posts and Mand for saying roughly the same thing. The active lurking is NOT helping anything, and the rationale provided of "I dont want to post when I have nothing to say" - I think on D2 I rather pointedly countered that idea, noting that there HAS been a lot to respond to and talk about even when people say there isn't. His roleclaim isn't anything special, but at least he was proactive about doing so. If 1cecream didnt have such an abrupt pile shift towards him, I'd be more inclined to test him. There may STILL be benefit to doing so, such that we can use it to critique those who suddenly jumped onto his wagon - but it's also a defensible position for a townie to make, so similar to Robert we may not gain much.

4. There's been some brief suspicion of SM. She stood out at the end of the Robert wagon because she said she believed his flimsy roleclaim, and while we have clarified her claimed logic today that does not mean it's not a defense of some kind. I don't think she's the highest suspect, but she's doing a good job of staying out of the way at this point.

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One thing this has driven home to me is the following: I don't seem to like KevinH's posting style I react negatively to how seemingly impartial much of it is. If he is scum he can stick to this style and it's the same as when he's town; I think it all but forces a cop to examine him specifically every game because otherwise it's impossible to clear him.

Until a few more divergent positions taken today, KevinH has stuck by his guns about Mand being inactive - he did it during Robert's lynch too. The comment he made about lynching inactives if there are no obvious scum-tells seems ludicrous in it's neutrality - basically saying that unless there is something obvious enough to override his pattern, he'll stick with it. So why didnt that apply to Robert yesterday? Robert did a VERY good job of seeming scummy, including a raw name claim and his actual role claimed later being uncommon and fake-able. Despite everything that stacked up, it didn't register as enough of a scum tell to move the needle I guess... but that doesn't sit right with me, at all.

D34TH sorta set himself up in opposition to Wolfpacks mid-day. So while I may still include them both on my current suspects, it'll likely be an either-or relationship with the two of them.

So my condensed current suspect list is as follows: KevinH, D34TH, Wolfpacks, 1ceCream, SM.

I've also got my eye on Yehom - I cant put a solid finger on what about his posts is setting me off, but something about his support for Kevin and seeming to generally be +1'ing other points already being made.

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The current two wagons with votes on them are 1cecream and Wolfpacks. I have reasons to be leery of lynching both, and I'm reacting more negatively to KevinH than anything else. So for the moment at least that's where my vote will go - but I should be able to check at least once in the morning and perhaps shift my vote based on whatever posts happen between then and now.

Vote: KevinH

-Preston

[Wolfpacks]

Easy there Rhizo, i have not once said i suspected others more then Ali which i said in my last comment, now unless your trying on purpose to twist my words or you just didnt read it i dont know but there it is, i agreed with KevinH that all on roberts wagon was suspicious but never named any more names, i suspected Ali from the start of the day and nothing really changed that view. I just broadened who i was suspicious of, lets face it the 2 votes i have on me are both fluff votes Death because he read something that wasnt directed at him and Isocialism because im susposed to hate him in these games. Flip flop no just hunting.

[Rhizoctonia]

Ok let's explain myself I voted Mandi to put him out of his misery because he hasn't time to play the game and isn't active and it doesn't seem that TW is going to replace him so to lynch him would put him out of his misery.

I expected Death to react this way as I accused him of being scummy in the way he pulled his vote from before.

Ali I have played this a couple of times with you and believe me you can be pursuavsive. Although I am suspicious of you I'm more suspicious of those that voted later then your. Although Robert was over defensive I wasnt convinced he was scum hence my not voting for him

 

 

I'm not sure how I am twisting words...you very clearly stated you were suspicious of Ali but more suspicious of people who voted after him. 

[KevinH]

The town should lynch someone.

 

1ceCream's roleclaim is an easy one for scum to make or at the least we won't be losing a power role.

[D34THBR1NG3R]

There's way too many reasons for me to do this...

 

 

UNVOTE
VOTE 1ceCream

[Rhizoctonia]

The back and forth by WP is more scummish to
me then 1cecream atm, plus voting ABT is a safe vote as no way is ABT going to be lynched today.

Vote: Wolfpacks