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[KevinH]

My point regarding those not voting was that they were allowing Robert to be lynched.

The wagon on Robert might have been a bunch of good-intentioned townies while those not voting were scum trying to avoid suspicion.

The town had to lynch someone and Robert didn't do himself any favors with the defense that he gave.

However, I thought Mandarijn was a better choice yesterday and I think he is the best choice now since I'm not seeing any scum-tells from anybody else.

[Rhizoctonia]

@Rhizo I'm really surprised with your posts. Such a stout defender of inactives as yourself now saying he's ok with lynching them? Out of 3 guys last day, we have just one...and we don't know if he wont get replaced / get active...just any moment. Would it be smart to lynch you on D2? Maybe...if you're scum, but judging just by being inactive not so much.

Secondly, the way Robert acted and RCed was just bad. Also, did you really expected a counterclaim on such niche/never used (until now) role as a bodyguard? Or maybe his presumably safe name claim?

If we are to say "oh, OK I believe you...let's lynch inactive instead" to every scum that claim to be a bodyguard, nurse, macho miller, or something like that then we won't get far (especially when role cop is gone).

 

@KevinH I see being unhelpful to the town is your general MO when playing mafia. Without any doubt Mandarijn has greater chance to turn out scum...since we don't know who he's and Robert already turned out town. I'm wondering what would you say after D2 last game when we lynched Rafay and we got You and Lego on other wagons? Surely they had greater chances to turn out scum...yet both of them were town. 

 

@Wolfpacks you said me and Yehom are the most suspicious. What has changed that suddenly we're not anymore on top of your list?

 

@Yehom what's so townish about me? Maybe that's a stupid question but I wouldn't like to see a scum piggybacking on me.

 

 

I feel I summed up my feelings quite fluently in my last post.  But as I stated in my previous post, I have argued every game against the idea of simply voting someone off for being inactive, and I strongly encourage looking to find a replacement instead.  This has not changed.  That being said, as I also said in my last post, this was not a situation where we had a single inactive person, we had 3, of which 3 requested replacements.  The likelihood of finding 3 replacements in a game already filled with the majority of usual Mafia players was/is very slim.  It's quite a different situation\ in looking to find a replacement for a single inactive player, and 3 players by only Day 3...and its quite a different situation in finding 3 replacements in a smaller player game, then one that started with 16 people.

Your comment about now only having a single inactive player is irrelevant to the situation at the end of Day 2.  At the end of day 2, everyone was aware the game consisted of 3 inactive players, all looking for replacements, and none being replaced yet, nor had TW mentioned he had any unless I missed that.  You, nor anyone knew if a replacement/replacements would be found, and you could of very likely started D3 with 3 sitting inactive players.  You're correct, at this point we only have a single inactive person, but when everyone voted D2 you had no clue that would be the case.  I had no intention of coming back to this game, as I was prepared to sit this one out and have a replacement fill my spot, but because I am a fan of Mafia and don't like to see a game ruined over inactives, I have come back after buying a new computer.  But again, you nor anyone else knew when I'd purchase a new computer or that I'd be back to play because no replacements have been found.  It's quite easy for you to make such a remark at this point, because two inactives are no longer, but I doubt you'd be saying the same thing if D3 rolled around and not a single replacement was found and I still was without a computer and D3 started with 3 inactives, or even 1 replacement was found and I was still without a computer and you had 2 sitting inactives.   Can you sit there and honestly say town was going to be in good shape D3 had the day started with 3 inactives?

Would of it been smart to lynch me?  I think I already stated that in my last post, 

A shot in the dark lynching Mandarijn, myself, or Maz would at the minimum got rid of an unhelpful town, and at best, hit a scum and in my opinion would of been the better choice.

To your counter claim comment, I do have to take back what I did say earlier.  I thought Hagrid has been in every HP game so far, but I was wrong looking back.  Hagrid was in the first game, but he was not in the last one looking over.  Going on the thought he was in both, yes my thinking was that it would of been very risky for him to fake RC with Hagrid when very likely someone else could have that character name.  But again, I have now double checked and was wrong on thinking he had been in both.

I would agree that his role would be hard to counter, as it's not a role we typically see so it's one likely someone wouldn't have.  I honestly have to check out Mafia wiki later because I'm not sure what a bodyguard powers even are.  Robert certainly didn't help himself with his replies...but as I stated I can relate with doing the same.

 

To add however, to the people who have played TW's game, you see a pattern in his games.  He uses and brings in different PR's each game he's done so far, none have had been the same.  I know one game he had backup roles/nurses, another he had town JOAT's and a SK, and this game we now know he used a new role of Bodyguard.  I do like him looking to mix things up.  

 

At this point however, now that I've returned and one replacement has been found, we are down to a single inactive player, and we've already mislynched once.  At this point, we should not be focusing on Mandarijn and instead what we can take from yesterday's mislynch and the last few days/today.  If a someone was going to be lynched for inactivity, yesterday was the time to do so, especially with 3, not today after already a mislynch and now down to a single inactive.  

 

FOS Kevin

[Rhizoctonia]

I have to agree. Wolfpacks isn't leaving a good pattern in his replies but neither did Robert and we lynched a townie because he came off very scummish.
Wolfpacks is following this same path to me. I feel he is coming off scummy with his aims at AbT and Yehom, then pulling back. He seems to be trying to draw a lot of attention towards the Robert lynch, yet his stance was for it until a very flimsy roleclaim. Too much red flags but I feel he is slipping into the same territory Robert fell into.

I like to bring up Kevin trying to go after Mand it seems. Is it an easy lynch for scum because he was almost dead yesterday? Is that also why Rhizo seems to be trying to state he would've been okay with a Mand lynch? As if testing the waters to see how much traction it can pick up.
 

Finster Baby, now known as townie, was voting for Mandarijn.
 
Maybe that's why the scum killed him.

This right here did it for me. It wasn't scum killing him to protect Mand. It was scum killing him to blame Mand. Am I wrong Kevin? Again, I feel this is you trying to see how much traction you can pick up.

Vote KevinH
I'd like to truly know why you feel an inactive lynch as Mandarijn is who we should go for. My theory? Scum playing it safe and the kill on Finister was to set Mandarijn up.

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure I said I would of been ok with a lynch on any of the inactives, including myself, and my reasoning for it.

 

 

I would of likely gone with killing off an inactive player/ones asking for a replacement (Myself/Mand/Maz) since we weren't going to be of much help, and finding 3 replacements for a game this size would of been hard to do as many of the main players already are in it.

 

If I didn't buy a new computer or delayed any longer with buying one...you would be stuck today with now 2 truly inactive players (Myself/Mandarijn) and now potentially being down 2 town.  A shot in the dark lynching Mandarijn, myself, or Maz would at the minimum got rid of an unhelpful town, and at best, hit a scum and in my opinion would of been the better choice.

[Yehom]

I do want to say that I do follow your train of thought Rhizo, but I also kind of share Kevin’s feel a little bit, whether that be his actual feeling I don’t know, but it is mine. Earlier D3 I already pointed out that of all the ‘inactives’, Manda was the one that had the most suspicion to me. He rarely posted and when he did his contribution was basically that he didn’t have anything. Topping it off people asked him how he felt, nothing came out, not even a single vote. Do I think that Manda is busy, yes. But like I said before, you can be busy for a longer period of time, but still post how you feel in 1 post like Preston did so well. You don’t have to be around 24/7, but making the effort like you also did, to share your feelings in one go is enough. Manda didn’t do that, he blatantly did the opposite actually by devoting the time that he had to say there is nothing.

 

So we had 3 inactives, of which we have one replacement now so we’ll have to see how iSoc does, we have you returning from inactivity but in the past you’ve already made some valid points across in the posts that you did make and we have Manda, who 1) I think even announced pretty early on that he wasn’t going to be active, 2) in the posts that he did make said basically nothing and 3) hasn’t casted a single vote the entire game. However you look at it, if we’re looking pure that the 3 inactives that we had, both from a past perspective and a present one, if I had to pick one being scum, it would be Manda.

 

This is just how I feel about the subject matter and I’ve stated multiple times before that I want to hear statements first before jumping to any serious conclusions. But you can’t deny that Manda’s lack of presence doesn’t stand out the most if you were to pick one.

[KevinH]

Here's everything Mandarijn has posted in the entire game:

 

Wow

Also hi!

 

 

I'm just shocked, how on earth can so many townies quicklynch on D1 without any meaningful discussion happening... This looks very promising for the scum again.

No discussion = no analysis from me, because what is there to analyse/respond to?

I'm going on seminar for 3 days with work, so don't expect much input from me till the weekend. And yes you'll see me post in the war aid and maybe some other forum sections as well. I hope to find some time in the weekend to write something up about the last 2-3 people that voted NL...

 

 

I really wish I could contribute more, but at this moment I just can't find the time. So if I can be replaced, please do so. I'll do my best to contribute as much as I can (untill then).

I just started working 2 weeks ago, so I have little time during the week and my weekends have been crazy busy. I already said in the sign up thread that I thought my time would be limited, and I was right unfortunately. So I apologise to all of you for not living up to the standard.

 

 

I can make fluff votes every day as well, but that doesn't help town at all. So I don't normally do that, except when asked. I don't have the time to analyse posts or write up my conclusions of my analysis. Normally I keep track of a lot of things in an Excel and I read back a lot.

So if I can't do that, there's not much to post about, except fluff. But I'm trying to keep up with reading while on the train, so I at least am up to speed a little bit (untill/if I get replaced)...

 

If he could be replaced, that would be one thing, but he is certainly not helping the town at this point.  If he's town, I'm sure the scum would love to still have him around in the end game.  

[Wolfpacks]

Who's angry?

  


This wasn't directed at you but stating why Robert met his demise, your question was am in favour of town, yes I'm in favour of getting the town the win it missed last game, did I start a wagon on Ali no, but this doesn't mean I not suspicious of him anymore, im still suspicious of him for starting the wagon on Robert and of you too because how quick you was to jump on the wagon, but I have just widened my suspicions to all that was on Roberts wagon. It's pretty simple really.

@Rhizo I'm really surprised with your posts. Such a stout defender of inactives as yourself now saying he's ok with lynching them? Out of 3 guys last day, we have just one...and we don't know if he wont get replaced / get active...just any moment. Would it be smart to lynch you on D2? Maybe...if you're scum, but judging just by being inactive not so much.
Secondly, the way Robert acted and RCed was just bad. Also, did you really expected a counterclaim on such niche/never used (until now) role as a bodyguard? Or maybe his presumably safe name claim?
If we are to say "oh, OK I believe you...let's lynch inactive instead" to every scum that claim to be a bodyguard, nurse, macho miller, or something like that then we won't get far (especially when role cop is gone).
 
@KevinH I see being unhelpful to the town is your general MO when playing mafia. Without any doubt Mandarijn has greater chance to turn out scum...since we don't know who he's and Robert already turned out town. I'm wondering what would you say after D2 last game when we lynched Rafay and we got You and Lego on other wagons? Surely they had greater chances to turn out scum...yet both of them were town. 
 
@Wolfpacks you said me and Yehom are the most suspicious. What has changed that suddenly we're not anymore on top of your list?
 
@Yehom what's so townish about me? Maybe that's a stupid question but I wouldn't like to see a scum piggybacking on me.

Read above and to add I have read back apart from mentioning Death I havent seen anything I've said that's changed my opinion on you,, jumping on my back because I put you under suspicion makes me even more wary of you.

[The Warrior]

"Right, you've got a sort of wonky cross… That means you're going to have
'trials and suffering', sorry about that, but there's a thing that
could be the sun … hang on … that means 'great happiness' … so you're
going to suffer but be very happy about it...…"

 

Vote Count

 

KevinH (1): King Hitler

Mandarijn (1): KevinH

Wolfpacks (1): iSocialism

1ceCream (0):

Ali bin Turban (0):

Chaplain of Death (0):

D34THBR1NG3R (0):

iSocialism (0):

King Hitler (0):

Preston (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

Sister Midnight (0):

Yehom (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

 

Not Voting: 1ceCream, Ali bin Turban, Chaplain of Death, D34THBR1NG3R, Mandarijn, Preston, Rhizoctonia, Sister Midnight, Wolfpacks, Yehom

With 13 players alive it takes 7 to lynch or 4 at deadline.
Deadline is 11:00am CST on Friday, October 28th.

                   

[KevinH]

In addition to Mandarijn not posting during this day, 1ceCream hasn't posted either.

 

If you are not for us, then you are against us.

 

FoS: 1ceCream

[Ali bin Turban]

@Rhizo - taking out inactives is never a good option. You lynch first, second one, they both turn to be town and now it's game over. Game has to be fun and when it's not (due to lack of participants), there's no point in playing it. So if we were here today with 3 inactives (and other 3 barely active) I'd say thanks for the game, but it's unplayable at this moment and we need to pause it till everyone has time to play again.

 

Also your comment about safe names RC is odd. Scum does not make the name up here, he gets it from Mod as their safe claim. There's no risk involved, unless he decides to make his life much harder and invent something on his own. Last game Canik got his safe claim as "Harry Potter". After this anyone who claims that this or that name makes claim believable is making town disservice (that's also aimed at SM for her reaction to Robert's claim).

 

Read above and to add I have read back apart from mentioning Death I havent seen anything I've said that's changed my opinion on you,, jumping on my back because I put you under suspicion makes me even more wary of you.

 

Am I? You chose to say such think as a response to my question why am I not your main suspect anymore? At the beginning of the day you said me and Yehom are your main  suspects. I asked why and then you say that you're suspicious of everyone on Roberts wagon equally. Now I'm asking what happened that you've changed your mind and I'm getting this answer from you.

Also suspecting everyone on Roberts wagon without putting even slightest effort to single out the real scum is worthless. You can't vote everyone, you need to make choices and work on finding out who's good and who's the bad guy. But so far you're moving into opposite direction, just throwing general accusations to avoid taking responsibility with another town being found death.

 

My point regarding those not voting was that they were allowing Robert to be lynched.

The wagon on Robert might have been a bunch of good-intentioned townies while those not voting were scum trying to avoid suspicion.

The town had to lynch someone and Robert didn't do himself any favors with the defense that he gave.

However, I thought Mandarijn was a better choice yesterday and I think he is the best choice now since I'm not seeing any scum-tells from anybody else.

 

I got my own theory, what if Mandarijn's wagon was full of scums with Finster being lone town out there? What if it's just like on the previous game again, when every scum, but Canik, was sitting on one wagon, calling out town that took their places on the lynching wagon?

What I see now are people from Mandarijn's wagon calling out the others, but when asked about reasoning they don't have anything to show.

 

To sum up, my current list of suspects is (more or less sorted by their scummines in my eyes)

 

- Wolfpacks, KevinH, SM, Death, Rhizo ... KingH somewhere in the back (I'm not exactly sure what to do with him yet).

[D34THBR1NG3R]

Who's angry?

  
This wasn't directed at you but stating why Robert met his demise, your question was am in favour of town, yes I'm in favour of getting the town the win it missed last game, did I start a wagon on Ali no, but this doesn't mean I not suspicious of him anymore, im still suspicious of him for starting the wagon on Robert and of you too because how quick you was to jump on the wagon, but I have just widened my suspicions to all that was on Roberts wagon. It's pretty simple really.

@Rhizo I'm really surprised with your posts. Such a stout defender of inactives as yourself now saying he's ok with lynching them? Out of 3 guys last day, we have just one...and we don't know if he wont get replaced / get active...just any moment. Would it be smart to lynch you on D2? Maybe...if you're scum, but judging just by being inactive not so much.
Secondly, the way Robert acted and RCed was just bad. Also, did you really expected a counterclaim on such niche/never used (until now) role as a bodyguard? Or maybe his presumably safe name claim?
If we are to say "oh, OK I believe you...let's lynch inactive instead" to every scum that claim to be a bodyguard, nurse, macho miller, or something like that then we won't get far (especially when role cop is gone).
 
@KevinH I see being unhelpful to the town is your general MO when playing mafia. Without any doubt Mandarijn has greater chance to turn out scum...since we don't know who he's and Robert already turned out town. I'm wondering what would you say after D2 last game when we lynched Rafay and we got You and Lego on other wagons? Surely they had greater chances to turn out scum...yet both of them were town. 
 
@Wolfpacks you said me and Yehom are the most suspicious. What has changed that suddenly we're not anymore on top of your list?
 
@Yehom what's so townish about me? Maybe that's a stupid question but I wouldn't like to see a scum piggybacking on me.

Read above and to add I have read back apart from mentioning Death I havent seen anything I've said that's changed my opinion on you,, jumping on my back because I put you under suspicion makes me even more wary of you.

where did I say it because you put suspicion on me? Because personally, I don't remember that. I think that's just you trying to falsify what I said just because you put suspicion on me.

VOTE: Wolfpacks

[The Warrior]

Vote Count

 

Wolfpacks (2): iSocialism, D34THBR1NG3R

KevinH (1): King Hitler

Mandarijn (1): KevinH

1ceCream (0):

Ali bin Turban (0):

Chaplain of Death (0):

D34THBR1NG3R (0):

iSocialism (0):

King Hitler (0):

Preston (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

Sister Midnight (0):

Yehom (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

 

Not Voting: 1ceCream, Ali bin Turban, Chaplain of Death, Mandarijn, Preston, Rhizoctonia, Sister Midnight, Wolfpacks, Yehom

 

With 13 players alive it takes 7 to lynch or 4 at deadline.
Deadline is 11:00am CST on Friday, October 28th.

[Wolfpacks]

Who's angry?

This wasn't directed at you but stating why Robert met his demise, your question was am in favour of town, yes I'm in favour of getting the town the win it missed last game, did I start a wagon on Ali no, but this doesn't mean I not suspicious of him anymore, im still suspicious of him for starting the wagon on Robert and of you too because how quick you was to jump on the wagon, but I have just widened my suspicions to all that was on Roberts wagon. It's pretty simple really.

@Rhizo I'm really surprised with your posts. Such a stout defender of inactives as yourself now saying he's ok with lynching them? Out of 3 guys last day, we have just one...and we don't know if he wont get replaced / get active...just any moment. Would it be smart to lynch you on D2? Maybe...if you're scum, but judging just by being inactive not so much.
Secondly, the way Robert acted and RCed was just bad. Also, did you really expected a counterclaim on such niche/never used (until now) role as a bodyguard? Or maybe his presumably safe name claim?
If we are to say "oh, OK I believe you...let's lynch inactive instead" to every scum that claim to be a bodyguard, nurse, macho miller, or something like that then we won't get far (especially when role cop is gone).

@KevinH I see being unhelpful to the town is your general MO when playing mafia. Without any doubt Mandarijn has greater chance to turn out scum...since we don't know who he's and Robert already turned out town. I'm wondering what would you say after D2 last game when we lynched Rafay and we got You and Lego on other wagons? Surely they had greater chances to turn out scum...yet both of them were town.

@Wolfpacks you said me and Yehom are the most suspicious. What has changed that suddenly we're not anymore on top of your list?

@Yehom what's so townish about me? Maybe that's a stupid question but I wouldn't like to see a scum piggybacking on me.

Read above and to add I have read back apart from mentioning Death I havent seen anything I've said that's changed my opinion on you,, jumping on my back because I put you under suspicion makes me even more wary of you.

where did I say it because you put suspicion on me? Because personally, I don't remember that. I think that's just you trying to falsify what I said just because you put suspicion on me.
VOTE: Wolfpacks

Tbh Death I have absolutely no idea what your talking about.


Edit for Death, that wasn't directed at you that was directed at Ali who I quoted, I only mentioned your name in passing lol, I do wish people would read properly before jumping in with both feet

[Wolfpacks]

@Rhizo - taking out inactives is never a good option. You lynch first, second one, they both turn to be town and now it's game over. Game has to be fun and when it's not (due to lack of participants), there's no point in playing it. So if we were here today with 3 inactives (and other 3 barely active) I'd say thanks for the game, but it's unplayable at this moment and we need to pause it till everyone has time to play again.
 
Also your comment about safe names RC is odd. Scum does not make the name up here, he gets it from Mod as their safe claim. There's no risk involved, unless he decides to make his life much harder and invent something on his own. Last game Canik got his safe claim as "Harry Potter". After this anyone who claims that this or that name makes claim believable is making town disservice (that's also aimed at SM for her reaction to Robert's claim).
 

Read above and to add I have read back apart from mentioning Death I havent seen anything I've said that's changed my opinion on you,, jumping on my back because I put you under suspicion makes me even more wary of you.

 
Am I? You chose to say such think as a response to my question why am I not your main suspect anymore? At the beginning of the day you said me and Yehom are your main  suspects. I asked why and then you say that you're suspicious of everyone on Roberts wagon equally. Now I'm asking what happened that you've changed your mind and I'm getting this answer from you.
Also suspecting everyone on Roberts wagon without putting even slightest effort to single out the real scum is worthless. You can't vote everyone, you need to make choices and work on finding out who's good and who's the bad guy. But so far you're moving into opposite direction, just throwing general accusations to avoid taking responsibility with another town being found death.
 

My point regarding those not voting was that they were allowing Robert to be lynched.
The wagon on Robert might have been a bunch of good-intentioned townies while those not voting were scum trying to avoid suspicion.
The town had to lynch someone and Robert didn't do himself any favors with the defense that he gave.
However, I thought Mandarijn was a better choice yesterday and I think he is the best choice now since I'm not seeing any scum-tells from anybody else.

 
I got my own theory, what if Mandarijn's wagon was full of scums with Finster being lone town out there? What if it's just like on the previous game again, when every scum, but Canik, was sitting on one wagon, calling out town that took their places on the lynching wagon?
What I see now are people from Mandarijn's wagon calling out the others, but when asked about reasoning they don't have anything to show.
 
To sum up, my current list of suspects is (more or less sorted by their scummines in my eyes)
 
- Wolfpacks, KevinH, SM, Death, Rhizo ... KingH somewhere in the back (I'm not exactly sure what to do with him yet).

You could use the same reasoning to the Robert Wagon only without the finster part lol

[SeaBeeGipson]

In addition to Mandarijn not posting during this day, 1ceCream hasn't posted either.
 
If you are not for us, then you are against us.
 
FoS: 1ceCream

I agree. [OoC] Is 1ceCream inactive in general? I haven't seen him anywhere in quite a bit. I'm glad the activity is picking up. Laying a little pressure seems to be working. This game seemed very dead. [OoC]

Mandarijn is looking hard for a replacement. Another reason I'm not too thrilled to try and lynch him. It does have the possibility to play out like WhiteBeard who was inactive the entire game, came back, and was scum. I feel only being on D3 and with a scum team surely larger than 1 person, we can actively search for more active scum. If down the line, Mandarijn still has no replacement and we can't find a scum. I'm for a lynch. This early though? No. I'd allow time for a replacement to be found and search for more active scum.

As far as AbT comment regarding the Mandarijn wagon, I don't believe the entire wagon is scum. I do believe a few are.

Here is my scum list (updated) as my theory on their patterns has changed since last time.

KevinH and SM are at the top. KevinH replied calmly to my vote. I'll acknowledge that but hes skilled enough to know one vote wont hurt him. Sister Midnight has thrown some red flags that myself and others have mentioned. Her replies have been the "Vote for me, you're scum" type replies. Not a strong case.

Rhizo. My theory involving his massively depends on how KH and SM would flip. If they are town, I suspect Rhizo may be either or. If they are scum, I suspect Rhizo may be as well.

D43th, I've explained my reasoning all game but he has definitely moved to the back of my scum list.

I feel out of the top 3, I'm confident 2 of them are scum.
We have a few days left, we really need to discuss who we lynch. I see a wagon forming on Wolfpacks, but I feel we are heading to a Robert situation. I may very well be wrong. We need 4 by deadline and 2 are already on his wagon. If my theory is right, scum could jump on and secure it if Isoc and D43th are town. This, however, would put them on the spotlight.

Other than that Kevin has 1 vote and Mand has 1 vote. We need more.participation. Come Thursday night if someone is sitting on the No-Vote and doesn't have an excuse. My vote is heading towards you.

[Sister Midnight]

KevinH and SM are at the top. KevinH replied calmly to my vote. I'll acknowledge that but hes skilled enough to know one vote wont hurt him. Sister Midnight has thrown some red flags that myself and others have mentioned. Her replies have been the "Vote for me, you're scum" type replies. Not a strong case.

 

Not sure where you get that from, especially when I acknowledged my faulty logic earlier. 

[SeaBeeGipson]

Ooooooooh nooooooo! Not Finster!
King H, I posted when I posted because that was when I had the opportunity to post. The fact that you want to spin it as scummy makes you look either paranoid or scummy yourself. I don't ha e time to do a read back, but I will be looking over everyone's reasons for the way the voted, with extra attention to you, King H. Are you permanent-scum?
I had some suspicion of Robert until the role claim, and my reason for believing him was a damned good one, I'm surprised no one else believed him. As King pointed out, I posted way too late to save him, but I didn't see his role claim until then.

Right here specifically. Looking at someone with extra suspicion and calling them scum/paranoid because they accuse you of a situation (which in the quoted section you said your reasoning was damned good and never acknowledged your fault as you claim in your most recent post.)

As far as I've read, you have yet to mention anything regarding your behavior towards the Robert wagon. Besides this, your only other post was towards AbT mentioned that Ron Weasley and Harry Potter was scum name and Hagrid isn't as big. Something I'm sure you read before as I mentioned (as well as others) when Robert used Hagrid as a name claim. That doesn't fix acknowledge any faulty logic.

Care to expand on what you mean by your most recent post then? How exactly have you a knowledged your faulty logic and what to you is faulty about it?

[Rhizoctonia]

@Rhizo - taking out inactives is never a good option. You lynch first, second one, they both turn to be town and now it's game over. Game has to be fun and when it's not (due to lack of participants), there's no point in playing it. So if we were here today with 3 inactives (and other 3 barely active) I'd say thanks for the game, but it's unplayable at this moment and we need to pause it till everyone has time to play again.

 

Also your comment about safe names RC is odd. Scum does not make the name up here, he gets it from Mod as their safe claim. There's no risk involved, unless he decides to make his life much harder and invent something on his own. Last game Canik got his safe claim as "Harry Potter". After this anyone who claims that this or that name makes claim believable is making town disservice (that's also aimed at SM for her reaction to Robert's claim).

 

 

 

Read above and to add I have read back apart from mentioning Death I havent seen anything I've said that's changed my opinion on you,, jumping on my back because I put you under suspicion makes me even more wary of you.

 

Am I? You chose to say such think as a response to my question why am I not your main suspect anymore? At the beginning of the day you said me and Yehom are your main  suspects. I asked why and then you say that you're suspicious of everyone on Roberts wagon equally. Now I'm asking what happened that you've changed your mind and I'm getting this answer from you.

Also suspecting everyone on Roberts wagon without putting even slightest effort to single out the real scum is worthless. You can't vote everyone, you need to make choices and work on finding out who's good and who's the bad guy. But so far you're moving into opposite direction, just throwing general accusations to avoid taking responsibility with another town being found death.

 

My point regarding those not voting was that they were allowing Robert to be lynched.

The wagon on Robert might have been a bunch of good-intentioned townies while those not voting were scum trying to avoid suspicion.

The town had to lynch someone and Robert didn't do himself any favors with the defense that he gave.

However, I thought Mandarijn was a better choice yesterday and I think he is the best choice now since I'm not seeing any scum-tells from anybody else.

 

I got my own theory, what if Mandarijn's wagon was full of scums with Finster being lone town out there? What if it's just like on the previous game again, when every scum, but Canik, was sitting on one wagon, calling out town that took their places on the lynching wagon?

What I see now are people from Mandarijn's wagon calling out the others, but when asked about reasoning they don't have anything to show.

 

To sum up, my current list of suspects is (more or less sorted by their scummines in my eyes)

 

- Wolfpacks, KevinH, SM, Death, Rhizo ... KingH somewhere in the back (I'm not exactly sure what to do with him yet).

 

 

And for the most part I would agree with you, as I've been a strong proponent of looking for replacement over lynching.  But again, this was a abnormal situation where 3 people all went inactive at the same time, and I may have looked at it differently.  This is a lot easier for me to say now since I was away during yesterday and we know the end result of the lynch.  I'm just stating looking at things, Robert's RC was out and could of looked to be investigated or checked out last night by

[Sister Midnight]

Sister Midnight, on 19 Oct 2016 - 10:33, said: Robert's role claim is believable to me because Hagrid is such an important flavor character and no one is counter claiming. Robert's style is abrasive and overly intense, which doesn't help him, but based on his claim I am not going to vote for him. Up to now the fake claims have been minor characters, for him to now give major characters as fake claim is a BIG change. Here is where I remind you the scum have had Ron Weasley twice and Harry Potter once as safe claim names - Ron being part of the main protagonist trio and Harry being the title character - Hagrid isn't anything better than those by comparison. This just underscores the point that you cannot read anything into safe claim names, and that relying on them for your defense is worthless at best, scummy at worst. We've had this exact argument during previous games.

 
I forgot about that.  Fair point.  What does TW have against Ron Weasley, anyway?

I thought my saying Preston's point was a fair one it was understood that I was saying that assuming a major character's unchallenged role claim was believable was faulty logic. I was suspicious of Robert, but the role claim convinced me he was town, that is why I didn't throw in my vote. I had not been able to look at this thread and react until the day of the vote and there was no time for me to try and stop the lynch. As I said my reasoning for believing him was faulty.

[Rhizoctonia]

I pushed wrong key and posted before I finished.

And for the most part I would agree with you, as I've been a strong proponent of looking for replacement over lynching.  But again, this was a abnormal situation where 3 people all went inactive at the same time, and I may have looked at it differently.  This is a lot easier for me to say now since I was away during yesterday and we know the end result of the lynch.  I'm just stating looking at things, Robert's RC was out and could of looked to be investigated or checked out last night by investigating roles, and instead take a risk on a inactive, since it was highly unlikely we'd get 3 positions filled. Once we mislynch, as we have, we can no longer look to focus on an inactive that we have no read on, and instead look at people who are active.  That opens the door for a Whitebeard situation, which is why I push for activity from everyone or be replaced because it's not enjoyable to lose due to inactives.  If someone can verify him, then we would at least have an active player, as Robert was.  If having 3 people inactives today would of been unplayable...I'd say the same could of been said for yesterday when we had 3.  

 

I'm not saying Robert didn't deserve to be lynch, I've stated his responses came off scummy and his emotional type responses didn't help.  Not blaming anyone for a wrongful lynch, as it had merit and legitimacy...but I also doubt the lynch was composed solely of town.  I still believe there'e likely at least 1 scum that helped with that lynch.

 

About the name claim, I actually didn't know scum are given a "safe name claim."  I've been scum before, but never when there was actual character names in the game.  When I was scum, we only had to worry about the fake PR we were going to claim which we made up ourselves, character names weren't apart of the game.   Thus I figured if Robert was fake RCing, he made up his own name and was risky to use a name that likely someone else could of had and could counter claim.  Now knowing scum are given a safe name to use, I understand your comment you made, "Did you really expect a counterclaim on his presumable safe name claim."  I see now no one counter claiming that really doesn't mean anything.  

Speaking of inactives...we seem to have gained 2 more.  Mandarijn we know about and hopefully will find a replacement for, but now it seems 2 more have gone inactive, Preston and 1cecream.  This is a rough few days for this game.  
 

[KevinH]

KevinH and SM are at the top. KevinH replied calmly to my vote.case.

 
 

Vote KevinH
I'd like to truly know why you feel an inactive lynch as Mandarijn is who we should go for.

 

OMGUS!

 

Feel better?

 

I think I've said it before but I'll say it again.  If nobody is standing out as being clearly scummy, then the best course of action is to eliminate inactives.  They have an equal chance at being scum as anyone else, but will truly hurt us when we are in the end game and need their vote (if they are town).