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[Kitkat16]

I think it's time to start scum hunting apart from LS and iSoc. SM, you seem rather quiet this game. Penny for your thoughts?

[Rhizoctonia]

Do you think that ploy is not going to be dead obvious if no townie dies tonight?

 

Is it?  Would it?  If I didn't just claim it, would you instantly think it's a ploy?  Or would you not think, eh maybe Isocialism hit a scum, and the doctor guessed right and blocked the scum.  If Isocialism is scum, scum are in deep shit at that point, especially if those who came to his defense early are his partners.   They would need to make a drastic move.

 

I have a feeling I maybe very likely killed tonight likely simply because I'm most vocal town.  I also believe Isocialism is lying.  Thus if I am killed, I am merely looking to point out any possible plays Isocialism could use to save himself if I'm not here tomorrow.  I think he's lying, and thus I've tried to brainstorm at work how could scum play the next few days if I'm not.  Not saying this is going to happen, but if something like this happens, maybe at least make people think.  I put my thoughts out anytime I have a feeling I maybe gone for people to at least look at after.

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You also said it's obvious both are town and I'm not seeing it.  If it's so obvious, then what facts am I missing that makes this so obvious?  You have a claim from Isocialism that LS is scum, and SBG was blocked.  You have SBG claiming he didn't have an action to be blocked, and you have LS claiming to be town.  You also have LS claiming he believes the really unlikely chance he was framed over Isocialism being scum.  So you have a single individual, whose a Vanilla Town as he claims which means he has zero extra knowledge that he was unlikely framed or there is a framer, and because a claimed VT thinks that, we all should?  We have conflict of facts on Isocialism's RC and no way to know at the moment if he's saying the truth, and we have a claimed VT who we don't know is truely a VT or a scum as he's been claimed.  

 

I don't know what I'm missing that it's obvious these two are town.  The only suggestion these both are town is coming from an opinion of a claimed VT, of a .5% chance.  Is there a chance, sure, is it likely, no, but excuse me if I and I bet others don't believe it's likely that .5% chance happened.  And if you are so sold they're both town, then why did you not bring up anyone else?  You voted SBG yet never elaborated or pushed him all day, and now voted me, 12 hours or w/e before lynch.  

[Kitkat16]

lol

 

guys

 

we now have KC, FB and SM all saying that they would take their vote off LS/iSoc were it not for the fact that it wouldn't affect anything

 

there are already two votes on Rhizo, if you all vote for him he'll have five people on him. and we'll avoid lynching people who are clearly innocent. just do it lol

[Rhizoctonia]

lol

 

guys

 

we now have KC, FB and SM all saying that they would take their vote off LS/iSoc were it not for the fact that it wouldn't affect anything

 

there are already two votes on Rhizo, if you all vote for him he'll have five people on him. and we'll avoid lynching people who are clearly innocent. just do it lol

 

I know who would love to force another person to roleclaim.  A scum

[Kitkat16]

 

Do you think that ploy is not going to be dead obvious if no townie dies tonight?

 

Is it?  Would it?  If I didn't just claim it, would you instantly think it's a ploy?  Or would you not think, eh maybe Isocialism hit a scum, and the doctor guessed right and blocked the scum.  If Isocialism is scum, scum are in deep shit at that point, especially if those who came to his defense early are his partners.   They would need to make a drastic move.

 

I have a feeling I maybe very likely killed tonight likely simply because I'm most vocal town.  I also believe Isocialism is lying.  Thus if I am killed, I am merely looking to point out any possible plays Isocialism could use to save himself if I'm not here tomorrow.  I think he's lying, and thus I've tried to brainstorm at work how could scum play the next few days if I'm not.  Not saying this is going to happen, but if something like this happens, maybe at least make people think.  I put my thoughts out anytime I have a feeling I maybe gone for people to at least look at after.

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You also said it's obvious both are town and I'm not seeing it.  If it's so obvious, then what facts am I missing that makes this so obvious?  You have a claim from Isocialism that LS is scum, and SBG was blocked.  You have SBG claiming he didn't have an action to be blocked, and you have LS claiming to be town.  You also have LS claiming he believes the really unlikely chance he was framed over Isocialism being scum.  So you have a single individual, whose a Vanilla Town as he claims which means he has zero extra knowledge that he was unlikely framed or there is a framer, and because a claimed VT thinks that, we all should?  We have conflict of facts on Isocialism's RC and no way to know at the moment if he's saying the truth, and we have a claimed VT who we don't know is truely a VT or a scum as he's been claimed.  

 

I don't know what I'm missing that it's obvious these two are town.  The only suggestion these both are town is coming from an opinion of a claimed VT, of a .5% chance.  Is there a chance, sure, is it likely, no, but excuse me if I and I bet others don't believe it's likely that .5% chance happened.  And if you are so sold they're both town, then why did you not bring up anyone else?  You voted SBG yet never elaborated or pushed him all day, and now voted me, 12 hours or w/e before lynch.  

 

 

I didn't elaborate or push him because I haven't been that active until today. As I mentioned earlier, rl stuff going on. Quite frankly, if I was a scum (I'm not sure if you're insinuating that or not, so I'll cover my bases) I would have pushed for whichever of iSoc or LS I knew to be a townie. Heck, I could have hammered LS if I had wanted to and he would be dead already. I didn't because I'm not a scum and didn't want to end the day early.

 

As for what makes me so sure that LS and iSoc are both town: I acknowledge that there's a low chance that iSoc investigated LS and that LS just happened to be framed by an as of yet unconfirmed framer. But I also think that their behaviour is so bizarre (if they are scum) that it outweighs the low chance of that happening. I have said from the beginning that I cannot see iSoc making a roleclaim like this if he wasn't an actual townie. I repeat: he was not in the limelight. Scum generally only fake roleclaim when under pressure and they're doing it as a last roll of the dice. (See: SLMK.) Also remember that we're only on D3. Quite early for a fake scum roleclaim.

 

LS's actions since then have also been weird for a scum, as you have rightly pointed out, especially his insistence that he's been framed and that iSoc is innocent, and his not voting for iSoc. The best explanation of the facts I think is that they're both town.

 

lol

 

guys

 

we now have KC, FB and SM all saying that they would take their vote off LS/iSoc were it not for the fact that it wouldn't affect anything

 

there are already two votes on Rhizo, if you all vote for him he'll have five people on him. and we'll avoid lynching people who are clearly innocent. just do it lol

 

I know who would love to force another person to roleclaim.  A scum

 

 

lol. don't jump the gun. you're not in any serious risk of being lynched at the moment.

[Lyner]

Let's hear Rhizo's RC

 

Vote: Rhizoctonia

 

 

 

Also let's not forget that there are great chance of finding scum(s) in the previous WP wagon: Kitkat, iSoc, Rhizo. If there is only one scum, all of them are fair target. If there are two, I could see Kitkat + iSoc or Rhizo + iSoc team

[iSocialism]

In my position if I voted for anyone else it would cost me my head. Rhiz wants people to deflect from LS wagon, so my wagon will be ahead. But I totally understand wanting to vote for him. Please vote for who you want. But be careful you will be deflecting from LS and myself wagon and this talk will continue. If you want answers pick myself or LS.

The wall of text by rhiz just seems like distraction.

[Sister Midnight]

I think it's time to start scum hunting apart from LS and iSoc. SM, you seem rather quiet this game. Penny for your thoughts?

I do think Rhizo is acting scummy. But I'm not ready to vote for him. I don't understand what Rhiz s going on about with his scum joat theory. It simply doesn't make sense to me and his aggression in pushing his theory and his waffling vote makes me uneasy. I don't have tons to say beyond that.

ATM, I just find it very unlikely that town investigated LS on N1 and scum ALSO happened to frame him. For me it comes down to being more convinced that one of them is scum than thinking Rhizo's behavior warrants a vote change, especially since I'm now overtired and not thinking that clearly. IMO, it is almost certain that if LS comes up town, then iSoc is scum, and vice verse. The chances of both being town are too small. ISoc's bold accusation is extreme for scum when we've already killed one scum. So a 50/50 chance that LS is scum makes for much better odds than picking out a different person to lynch. If LS is town, I'll be a little less concerned about Rhizo.. Btw, I think it is entirely possible there are only 3 scum.

[Kitkat16]

can someone post an updated vote count, i'm far too lazy to bother counting again

[SeaBeeGipson]

Let's hear Rhizo's RC
 
Vote: Rhizoctonia
 
 
 
Also let's not forget that there are great chance of finding scum(s) in the previous WP wagon: Kitkat, iSoc, Rhizo. If there is only one scum, all of them are fair target. If there are two, I could see Kitkat + iSoc or Rhizo + iSoc team

Why are you wanting a forced RC? We haven't even solved the current RC were working with and you want more confusion?


@KitKat, Why are you so adamant about them both being town? You've been quiet all day and I understand RL, but you just came out of the woodwork with a strong defense of both. You know the only people who for sure who know someone's standings? Scum.
Is this some way to twist a defense for your scum buddies? Trying to draw attention away from LS/Isocialism in fear we may hit the right one?
Especially mentioning how if everyone jumped on a Rhizo wagon, he'd die. Why rush a new wagon? That desperate to save your scum.buddies?
I'm keeping my vote on Isocialism but you have definitely jumped to the top of my list come tomorrow.

[Kitkat16]

 

Let's hear Rhizo's RC
 
Vote: Rhizoctonia
 
 
 
Also let's not forget that there are great chance of finding scum(s) in the previous WP wagon: Kitkat, iSoc, Rhizo. If there is only one scum, all of them are fair target. If there are two, I could see Kitkat + iSoc or Rhizo + iSoc team

Why are you wanting a forced RC? We haven't even solved the current RC were working with and you want more confusion?


@KitKat, Why are you so adamant about them both being town? You've been quiet all day and I understand RL, but you just came out of the woodwork with a strong defense of both. You know the only people who for sure who know someone's standings? Scum.
Is this some way to twist a defense for your scum buddies? Trying to draw attention away from LS/Isocialism in fear we may hit the right one?
Especially mentioning how if everyone jumped on a Rhizo wagon, he'd die. Why rush a new wagon? That desperate to save your scum.buddies?
I'm keeping my vote on Isocialism but you have definitely jumped to the top of my list come tomorrow.

 

 

No, I haven't been quiet all day. I said loads of stuff at the start of the day, and was very vocal in defending iSoc. I also wavered on LS, although wasn't prepared to commit one way or the other. I was undecided whether to vote for LS or for you. This isn't something I've come up with at the last minute. Rather, from reading how the day has panned out, I don't think there's any good explanation for their actions unless they're both townie. Or at least, that's the best explanation. 

 

If I wanted LS or iSoc dead, I would have just shut up and voted for one or the other. I could have either of them lynched right now. Look like a scum move to you?

 

Btw, I changed my vote but I'm still not sold that you're innocent, fyi. It's interesting that you're now the one attacking me.

[SeaBeeGipson]

Also @Lyner
You haven't voted Isocialism or LS it seems but you go for a totally different wagon on Rhizo. As if you don't want to be on either wagon. The reason I would think? You don't want to be the weighing vote that kills a townie (or be on a town lynch wagon) but with a recent scum death, You can't kill another scum buddy. Seems like a real safe cover to try and form another wagon.

[LordSunday]

It's currently 5 votes for me, 5 votes for iSoc, 3 votes for Rhizo.

 

If no votes alter, I'll be lynched.

[King Cankles]

I'm still shaky on my vote. I'll be active before the deadline. None of the 3 nominees are safe at this point.

[Rhizoctonia]

Let's hear Rhizo's RC

Vote: Rhizoctonia



Also let's not forget that there are great chance of finding scum(s) in the previous WP wagon: Kitkat, iSoc, Rhizo. If there is only one scum, all of them are fair target. If there are two, I could see Kitkat + iSoc or Rhizo + iSoc team

Just so people remember, this is the guy who has yet to vote. The guy who was so supposidly sold on LS he was planning to hammer the vote.

This is a scum looking to force another RC near the end of a day. Nothing more.

The scum have played their cards, eventually town will wise up.

In my position if I voted for anyone else it would cost me my head. Rhiz wants people to deflect from LS wagon, so my wagon will be ahead. But I totally understand wanting to vote for him. Please vote for who you want. But be careful you will be deflecting from LS and myself wagon and this talk will continue. If you want answers pick myself or LS.

The wall of text by rhiz just seems like distraction.

No it's called wanting town to wise up and lynch the scum you're. It'll happen eventually
Also FYI

The only people on my wagon are people I've personally called out as possible scum today

[Lyner]

I don't see why we have to overreact. As I've said again and again, there are high probability that at least one scum is in WP's wagon. 

 

 

Say we kill Rhizo today. If iSoc can't prove his vig ability, we kill him tomorrow. If both turned out town, we kill Kitkat. Simple.

 

iSoc is in an advantageous position among the three today since he can actually prove his alignment if he killed a scum tonight. That's all really. Town will get hurt the most if iSoc out of the 3 candidates get lynched today.

 

And yes Kitkat is no less suspicious than the others, as scum knows what actually happened with iSoc's investigation (assuming iSoc is JoAT). If Rhizo is town and Kitkat is scum, then Kitkat is simply trying to bring down all three: LS today, iSoc tomorrow, and finally Rhizo. 

 

 

 

And on hammering LS, as CoD said, LS is the safest option since he is a VT. Assuming the best scenario, we will kill a scum LS, proving iSoc a Joat, and potentially Vig killing another scum. While if we lynch iSoc, the best scenario would be a dead scum iSoc, and a townie VT. The worst scenario for both options are the same.

 

Now if we kill Rhizo and he turned out scum, the best scenario would be that we got one scum down, both iSoc and LS might be townies, and a vig kill. We can keep going but at the end it's all about gut feeling.

 

I'm keeping my vote unless someone has a good argument or some cop clears Rhizo's name

[Rhizoctonia]

I don't see why we have to overreact. As I've said again and again, there are high probability that at least one scum is in WP's wagon. 

 

 

Say we kill Rhizo today. If iSoc can't prove his vig ability, we kill him tomorrow. If both turned out town, we kill Kitkat. Simple.

 

iSoc is in an advantageous position among the three today since he can actually prove his alignment if he killed a scum tonight. That's all really. Town will get hurt the most if iSoc out of the 3 candidates get lynched today.

 

And yes Kitkat is no less suspicious than the others, as scum knows what actually happened with iSoc's investigation (assuming iSoc is JoAT). If Rhizo is town and Kitkat is scum, then Kitkat is simply trying to bring down all three: LS today, iSoc tomorrow, and finally Rhizo. 

 

 

 

And on hammering LS, as CoD said, LS is the safest option since he is a VT. Assuming the best scenario, we will kill a scum LS, proving iSoc a Joat, and potentially Vig killing another scum. While if we lynch iSoc, the best scenario would be a dead scum iSoc, and a townie VT. The worst scenario for both options are the same.

 

Now if we kill Rhizo and he turned out scum, the best scenario would be that we got one scum down, both iSoc and LS might be townies, and a vig kill. We can keep going but at the end it's all about gut feeling.

 

I'm keeping my vote unless someone has a good argument or some cop clears Rhizo's name

 

 

And yet you were sold to lynch LS less then 24 hours ago.  This is merely a scum partner trying to save Isocialism another day, and lynching me still leaves the unknown for the next day, as they look to push LS tomorrow and waste the day.  Maybe because the likes of them have investigation immunity they hope a cop finds, or if they have a framer, look to hopefully hit it.  Lyner knows I am town and merely hoping to force another roleclaim before the day.  It's quite funny, less then 12 hours from deadline now suddenly the people who were fine with lynching either LS or Isocialism are now suddenly trying to force someone else to RC.  If they wanted this, there has been 7 more days to look to push a lynch, they wait til the last few hours in the hopes people won't be active enough right at deadline.  

 

These are the people I'll called out as scum buddies, and these are the only people pushing me.  

[LordSunday]

Rhizo's claims are actually starting to ring a lot to me... I have to think on this. I'll be around before update but he's starting to look quite a bit more town... I also want to hear iSoc's current thoughts.

[Wolfpacks]

I personally dont think both are town one of them is a scum member, i think some are trying to change the course of voting trying to get the suspicion off one of the 2 by hinting Rhizo is scum, im sorry but im not ready to go down that avenue just yet. There could be a framer around but im not sure, being at work limits my reading time, but i will vote by deadline

[Kitkat16]

sigh

 

whatever. we'll find out who's right soon enough.