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[Lord MK]

I don't actually trust my neighbours but still we say "trust your neighbours".

And i also said it as a sort of sorry to WP for outing him.


If i am scum why would i out my own teammates?
That would a stupid and absurd thing to do and so against the game.

Me claiming neighbours was not against the rules as my role PM say i can do that.

CoD,fyi,
1- Shot Bulletproof is a passive ablity, not the actual role.
So don't wade into that.

[Kitkat16]

I don't actually trust my neighbours but still we say "trust your neighbours".

And i also said it as a sort of sorry to WP for outing him.


If i am scum why would i out my own teammates?
That would a stupid and absurd thing to do and so against the game.

Me claiming neighbours was not against the rules as my role PM say i can do that.

CoD,fyi,
1- Shot Bulletproof is a passive ablity, not the actual role.
So don't wade into that.

 

Ah. So you're saying that neighbours could potentially be a very valuable asset to the town? Was that because you thought that they were basically like the Masons? I guess that makes sense. I'm still not removing my lynch on you, though. I've gotta pick *someone* out of the three.

[Yehom]

WP makes a good point that SLMK was being pressured, but role claiming was probably enough to get some pressure off his situation. However he opted into throwing both FS and WP under the bus with the neighbor reveal. Did he really need to reveal that information, or was that just a way to buy time and potentially take someone with him? Like I said before i think that the 1-shot Bulletproof is a very weak claim and reading back on CoD's quoted post from SLMK, it does seem sketchy that he first claims to have an important role, while ultimately claiming to be Bulletproof. 

 

Unvote Wolfpacks

 

Vote SMLK

[Rhizoctonia]

My vote isn't changing, however SLMK's responses lately have been very worrisome. I'll get my final thoughts in before the day's end in case I'm killed at night

[Lyner]

Wolf at 4, MK at 3


We are running out of time.

[LordSunday]

Vote: SLMK

 

Going with my gut here

[Finster Baby]

I don't actually trust my neighbours but still we say "trust your neighbours".

And i also said it as a sort of sorry to WP for outing him.


If i am scum why would i out my own teammates?
That would a stupid and absurd thing to do and so against the game.

Me claiming neighbours was not against the rules as my role PM say i can do that.

CoD,fyi,
1- Shot Bulletproof is a passive ablity, not the actual role.
So don't wade into that.

Its very easy to claim 1-shot anything and make it sound credible.

Your posts lately have me beyond concerned. You outed both FS and WP probably without their permission, as I believe "neighbors" can only speak at night privately and not during the day (TW correct me if I'm wrong.)

I'm going back to my original thought before your RC:

VOTE: Supreme Leader MK

[SeaBeeGipson]

If I'm right, SLMK is at 6, WP at 3, and FS at 1.

[Sister Midnight]

UNVOTE

Yeah, the one shot role claim sounds fake, especially if the other neighbors are VT. That's enough weirdness to push me over the edge.

VOTE MK

[iSocialism]

One of my top suspect is voting for slmk. Either I'm wrong about this other person or they think slmk is toast. Slmk rc doesn't makes sense, but not unlikely. The day goes on. Just remember how people acted before the RC and after.

Vote WP.

[Lord MK]

Vote Wolfpacks

[The Warrior]

Vote Count
 

Supreme Leader MK (7): Chaplain of Death, Lyner, Kitkat16, Yehom, LordSunday, Finster Baby, Sister Midnight

Wolfpacks (5): Rhizoctonia, SeaBeeGipson, FS108, iSocialism, Supreme Leader MK

Chaplain of Death (1): KevinH

FS108 (1): Wolfpacks

Finster Baby (0):

iSocialism (0):

KevinH (0):

King Cankles (0):

Kitkat16 (0):

LordSunday (0):

Lyner (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

SeaBeeGipson (0):

Sister Midnight (0):

Yehom (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not Voting: King Cankles

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch or 4 at deadline.

Deadline is 1:00pm CST on Wednesday, May 31st.

[Kitkat16]

OK, I've just been doing a comprehensive review of the entire thread because I think we've got a bit distracted by everything that happened after MK's roleclaim and haven't taken into consideration the posts from before then, and it could inject new data.

 

I turned up some interesting stuff. The wagon that formed on MK prior to the roleclaim seems pretty curious. Multiple people (Finster, Yehom) say that he's suspicious because he's going on about how the fact that he has more posts than anyone else means he's less likely to be scum. That isn't *ACTUALLY* what he said. He simply asked TW to up the required post count, because activity might get the game rolling. For that Finster immediately accused him, without any further evidence, of trying to get people killed, and later voted for him based on very little (at least in my eyes.)

 

The reasoning for the wagon getting started was simply bad logic, then. I thought it was scummy to claim that a high number of contentless posts gave him town points because it's such a bad argument, but that's not what happened. Nor did MK's post (as far as I can see) try to get anyone killed. It simply wanted to get people talking, which could even work *against* scum. 

 

I dunno if that would've been enough to get MK killed, but suspicion mounted on him because FS defended him (which I suppose is fair enough.) But then we find out later that FS probably did that because he was neighbours, but people didn't decrease their suspicion accordingly.

 

Anyway, I suspect that at least one of the people who got the wagon rolling on MK is scum, especially given that the reasoning is so bad. But mostly I just think it's people who don't like MK and are constantly going after him voting for him yet again, which is kind of a jerk move. Either way, I'm not voting for him based on that.

 

Then we get to the bit where MK roleclaims. I haven't reread the thread after that in as much detail. But people seem to think that naming his fellow neighbours is a suspicious move. I can't agree. If he'd simply claimed to have had neighbours without naming them, it wouldn't have been particularly credible. In naming them, it made certain to show that he was telling the truth about that part of his role. Given that he was on the hot seat, I can hardly blame him. He wasn't throwing anyone "under the bus". Naming them does not immediately expose them to attacks by scum. As for possible lynching from town, well yes. But at least it gives us more data to work with, and if the alternative is having us lynch him when he knows himself to be innocent, I'd do the same.

 

As for claiming to be the "one role that could really help this game" (or whatever the phrasing was, I'm not going looking for it now, it's past bedtime already) if what he meant was that together the neighbours can collectively be a pretty effective force for town, I don't disagree. Especially if he thought they operated like the Masons, although it's not clear whether that was indeed his thought process.

 

I do think a one-shot roleblock is a weak roleclaim. But if it's true then it's true. If he does happen to be a bulletproof, what else is he supposed to say? 

 

There's more that I can say. But it's getting late here, I'm tired, and this post is already long. I can say more tomorrow. The upshot is:

 

UNVOTE: SLMK

VOTE: WOLFPACKS

 

Final comment: I'm not by any means certain about this. MK could well be a scum. There's nothing to count *against* him being a scum. But if WP is innocent, we can always lynch MK immediately next turn.

[Wolfpacks]

Wow both my neighbours are voting for me, talk about throwing people under the bus, can both of them be scum, not sure that can be the case or it's allowed, I'm sticking with who I voted for but now I neither trust either of them.

[The Warrior]

Vote Count
 

Supreme Leader MK (6): Chaplain of Death, Lyner, Yehom, LordSunday, Finster Baby, Sister Midnight

Wolfpacks (6): Rhizoctonia, SeaBeeGipson, FS108, iSocialism, Supreme Leader MK, Kitkat16

Chaplain of Death (1): KevinH

FS108 (1): Wolfpacks

Finster Baby (0):

iSocialism (0):

KevinH (0):

King Cankles (0):

Kitkat16 (0):

LordSunday (0):

Lyner (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

SeaBeeGipson (0):

Sister Midnight (0):

Yehom (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

 

Not Voting: King Cankles

 

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch or 4 at deadline.

Deadline is 1:00pm CST on Wednesday, May 31st.

                   

[Wolfpacks]

OK, I've just been doing a comprehensive review of the entire thread because I think we've got a bit distracted by everything that happened after MK's roleclaim and haven't taken into consideration the posts from before then, and it could inject new data.

I turned up some interesting stuff. The wagon that formed on MK prior to the roleclaim seems pretty curious. Multiple people (Finster, Yehom) say that he's suspicious because he's going on about how the fact that he has more posts than anyone else means he's less likely to be scum. That isn't *ACTUALLY* what he said. He simply asked TW to up the required post count, because activity might get the game rolling. For that Finster immediately accused him, without any further evidence, of trying to get people killed, and later voted for him based on very little (at least in my eyes.)

The reasoning for the wagon getting started was simply bad logic, then. I thought it was scummy to claim that a high number of contentless posts gave him town points because it's such a bad argument, but that's not what happened. Nor did MK's post (as far as I can see) try to get anyone killed. It simply wanted to get people talking, which could even work *against* scum.

I dunno if that would've been enough to get MK killed, but suspicion mounted on him because FS defended him (which I suppose is fair enough.) But then we find out later that FS probably did that because he was neighbours, but people didn't decrease their suspicion accordingly.

Anyway, I suspect that at least one of the people who got the wagon rolling on MK is scum, especially given that the reasoning is so bad. But mostly I just think it's people who don't like MK and are constantly going after him voting for him yet again, which is kind of a jerk move. Either way, I'm not voting for him based on that.

Then we get to the bit where MK roleclaims. I haven't reread the thread after that in as much detail. But people seem to think that naming his fellow neighbours is a suspicious move. I can't agree. If he'd simply claimed to have had neighbours without naming them, it wouldn't have been particularly credible. In naming them, it made certain to show that he was telling the truth about that part of his role. Given that he was on the hot seat, I can hardly blame him. He wasn't throwing anyone "under the bus". Naming them does not immediately expose them to attacks by scum. As for possible lynching from town, well yes. But at least it gives us more data to work with, and if the alternative is having us lynch him when he knows himself to be innocent, I'd do the same.

As for claiming to be the "one role that could really help this game" (or whatever the phrasing was, I'm not going looking for it now, it's past bedtime already) if what he meant was that together the neighbours can collectively be a pretty effective force for town, I don't disagree. Especially if he thought they operated like the Masons, although it's not clear whether that was indeed his thought process.

I do think a one-shot roleblock is a weak roleclaim. But if it's true then it's true. If he does happen to be a bulletproof, what else is he supposed to say?

There's more that I can say. But it's getting late here, I'm tired, and this post is already long. I can say more tomorrow. The upshot is:

UNVOTE: SLMK
VOTE: WOLFPACKS

Final comment: I'm not by any means certain about this. MK could well be a scum. There's nothing to count *against* him being a scum. But if WP is innocent, we can always lynch MK immediately next turn.

I know I'm innocent and will be happy to prove you all wrong that voted for me in the next life

Remember these names
Rhizo
FS108
Isocialism
KitKat
SLMK
Seabeegipson
There be scum in there somewhere

[Yehom]

Ok now we're getting somewhere. It's very likely that people aren't going to change their votes anymore so there are now 2 wagons on SLMK and on WP. If SLMK does turn out to be town, then there is a 50/50 change of either WP or FS being scum. The people on the respective wagons and their voting behavior is going to be key as well in our approach for this game. 

 

One person that wasn't as active as this day comes to a close is Kevin, who as an experienced player, I'd be keen on hearing his opinion on the course that this game has turned. Shame to not hear his voice on the subject matter. @KevinH

[Wolfpacks]

Personally I think it's LS108 because he should have been disgruntled like myself when SLMK threw us under the bus, but he didn't he kinda skirted round it and then voted for me as I didn't vote for MK.

[Rhizoctonia]

Well this is an interesting end of the day.  Like I said earlier in the day, this whole day will be mostly wasted and then right near the end it will get active.  SLMK is still the one dead at this point as he was the first to reach 6.  We'll see if Kevin or Lord Cankels comes in to vote.  

 

If SLMK is killed and found to be  town, I'd take a look at who changed their vote over to SLMK closer to end.  Very likely if WP is scum, scum jumped on his wagon early when it looked like it was looking like he was the one going to be killed so they weren't the last few voted that didn't matter, then when SLMK started to get a few votes they switched to hopefully knock out a town and save their scum partner at least another day.  Looking at FB and Yehom.

 

We'll see what happens...what I've found from Wolfpacks in the past he was very argumentative when someone suspected or voted him when he was town.  Last game when he was scum he was like he's similarly here, remaining calm and not being overly defensive.  This and his comment earlier are the reason I'm sticking to WP over SLMK.  With this many votes, I doubt both SLMK or WP are town.  Some of the scum are obviously part of a wagon to save their scum partner, at least would be my guess.

[Lyner]

I think Rhizo is town, protective powers should consider targeting him tonight

 

I'm also a good target choice