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[Chaplain of death]

Side note as food for thought for the town. LS claimed to be a VT. Therefore he would know that scum wouldn't sacrifice one of their own in a fake claim to get him killed, it doesn't benefit them at all. Therefore his only defense and the only logical outcome IF he was VT, is that there is a framer in play who happened to target him the same night (again, unlikely but possible). If all of the above is true, why would he vote for someone that he KNOWS with near absolute certainty is a townie? Rhizo you said you prodded him into it but he should have been able to present the argument against voting for iSoc. 

 

Only scum and SK want to kill townies, and yet we have a self claimed VT voting to kill someone that they all but know is a townie. 

[LordSunday]

potential JOAT over a potential VT when either COULD be scum, is literally the stupidest possible move in that situation.

 

So you're saying a possible scum JOAT who could've caused 2 townies to have been killed last night before his kill was less of a threat? I'm just as annoyed that we were wrong as you, but think a little deeper. In that exact moment of the Day, killing me and allowing iSoc the chance (if he had been scum) to use a scum vig kill in addition to scum regular kill would have been worth it?

 

Then again, the town is headed for accomplishing that same task minus no scum will die if I get lynched today.

 

 

 

I agree that the WP wagon had a scummy. There's no way all the scum would've done that to MK (meh... Maybe). Then again, there was a couple ambient votes that didn't go out who we should look at as well.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but KC and KevinH both also had votes not on MK. Sure KitKat is the obvious suspect following that train of thought, but perhaps these two should be questioned a little more?

 

KC marks his lack of vote to it being his first game, which is semi-believable minus the fact the entire game he has been activity and consistently contributing. I find it suspicious that now, under pressure, he reverts quickly to the it's my first game tactic, which is a good scapegoat for if you're a new scum under pressure.

 

As for Kevin, he has seemed to be very under-the-radar in my opinion. Maybe I've been too caught up reading other posts, but he almost seems to be slipping along through the game.

 

I don't exactly think both are scum, but one of them could very well be.

Only scum and SK want to kill townies, and yet we have a self claimed VT voting to kill someone that they all but know is a townie.

 

As for this, I presented my reasons for changing my vote. At first I was confident that iSoc was town, but as the day progressed it seemed less and less likely. I don't remember exactly where the post is, but I listed quite a few reasons that I changed my vote. Before you go screaming that I was sure he was town, get your facts. When I voted him I was more convinced he was scum.

[King Cankles]

Lol like i said, pathetic excuse but it's true. I'd be happy to answer any questions or suspicions on me.

I know there was one earlier I just don't have time to look into it.

[Finster Baby]

KevinH has been rather quiet - too quiet, IMO.

What's going on Kevin?

[FS108]

KevinH has been rather quiet - too quiet, IMO.

What's going on Kevin?

perhaps he is hiding in the shadows? 

[Chaplain of death]

LS i just gave you pretty clear reasoning for why iSoc was town and couldn't have been anything else. Your response to that is "well he could have been a scum JOAT". Again, for the love of god, why would scum throw a team member away to try to lynch a supposed VT when we didn't have any real leads?

[Rhizoctonia]

Well we now have CoD coming out in defense of Lyner already today.  Sorry, both Kitkat and Lyner were adamant about defending Isocialism, something no one else was even close to.  Scum knowing whose town allows them to do this while everyone else cannot be so certain, and if Isoclialism is killed, they're seen in less suspicious light for defending a now known town.    So for you to come out and say that's not suspicious of them being so adamant in defense of Isocialism when no one else was or knew to be is quite odd.  Glad a veteran player in CoD has finally become more active, but the sudden activity finally on D4 is also a bit intriguing.  He has more posts today already then he likely did all day yesterday.

 

In regards to lynching Isocialism.....The fact scum could just as easily have a RB ability that they could of used on Isocialism to block his Vig kill anyway, or if LS is actually town, we lynched LS, scum blocks Isocialism, then we start today with Isocialism being wrong about LS and not proving his Vig ability either thus he would be likely be lynched today with ease and down 2 town.  My guess is they probably have a RB if I'm still alive, as I bet they RB'd me to target hopefully the cop.  

 

People also want to point some suspicion on KC due to his voting.  Not saying it's not worth definitely putting suspicion that he was conveniently late on his vote D2 of a scum, but his vote yesterday?  His vote yesterday, or the change actually makes me think he's more likely town then scum.  What scum in their right mind would look to change their vote to be apart of a lynch of a town (isocialism) if they didn't need to be.  The numbers were already enough before both FB and KC changed their vote to lynch Isocialism before deadline that neither technically counted in the vote of Isocialism.  Why would scum even associate themselves with said lynch of a town if it wasn't needed?  I have less suspicion of both KC and FB because I don't see why a scum would do that.

 

With now everyone RC'd outside of Kitkat on the wagon of WP on D2, I as some others have brought up, am suspicious of him.  As we stand now, Wolfpacks (6): Rhizoctonia, FS108, iSocialism, Supreme Leader MK, Kitkat16

 

Though SLMK was a sinking ship no matter if he was lynched D2 or a mislynch happened and he was lynched D3, I would be surprised that no scum outside SLMK was on WP wagon to try to help.  That only leaves one possible person that could be scum.  

 

SBG - One cannot be certain about what stopped N2's kill.  Could be a scenario of 3 possibilities, what we know for sure is I used my ability on CoD, and Isocialism on SBG....we do not know if SM did or not.  But as I look back through past days, I do want to bring up he was one that switched their vote to SLMK right near the end from the WP wagon.  

 

Kevin needs to become more active, as he as well continues to hardly post or put his thoughts in which is rather suspicious to me at this point.  I'm not real comfortable with a lot of people currently, the neighbors of WP and FS108 are about the only certainty with CoD fairly town looking.

 

LS - Still trying to figure out.  CoD has made some good points, but I'm still not sold he's scum yet.  Watching them go at it.

 

I also used my ability again last night on CoD, not that it matters.  

[LordSunday]

Again, for the love of god, why would scum throw a team member away to try to lynch a supposed VT when we didn't have any real leads?

 

Ok, play out the scenario IF iSoc had been scum.

 

D3 I'm lynched instead of iSoc. iSoc has his "vig kill," which turns out to be second town kill. Now, with pressure on him, he still has a PR and would have been able to play a card that there must be a framer or he was insane. As for the vig hit, it would've probably been on a suspicious town who he most likely could have gotten away with. Would it be a gamble? Yes of course. HOWEVER, with leads having started to point to him (remember he was called out right before he started the D3 drama), why wouldn't he take an opportunity to kill off at least 2 townies before his ship sunk? IF he had been scum, you cannot tell me that would not have been a viable strategy.

 

Obviously now we know he was town, but at the time that theory above became more viable than him actually telling the truth. Keep in mind there were a lot of suspicious moves. Such as his D2 behavior, when he NEVER made mention of my name as him being remotely suspicious.

 

Regardless, D3 is over, we have to live with the results we voted. Am I upset? Obviously. But I'm not going to sit here and waste the day defending myself over it again. I did that yesterday, there's nothing more I can add at this point other than to start scum hunting. Because if I am lynched and I come up town, then at least I'll have tried to do something.

[King Cankles]

@ Rhizo, like I said before, graduation night. Like from high school. Didn't even think about the deadline. I have had no intentions of voting late and was actually quite frustrated about it. If only you could see my PM with TW

[KevinH]

 

KevinH : Quiet, haven't seen any post count votes; not a good sign for Kevin, but not a big enough sign to make me think scum

 

 
I always say "in the absence of any other information" it's best to go after inactives.

In this case, we have other information. But in the interest of full disclosure ...
 

59 Rhizoctonia
44 Kitkat16
39 Lyner
36 Finster Baby
35 SeaBeeGipson
35 LordSunday
34 Wolfpacks
30 King Cankles
26 FS108
20 Yehom
18 Chaplain of death
18 KevinH
 

 

It's tough to see myself on the bottom, but I have not been able to post much due to some real life issues (in particular having to screen-share during work which really cuts into other internet activities).
 
As I said, there is other information and everyone is active enough to vote so it's time again for SuperTownie Analysis^TM

 
+1.0 for being a surviving neighbor: Wolfpacks, FS108
+1.0 for claiming doc with no counterclaim: Rhizoctonia
+0.5 for voting no-lynch day 1: Finster Baby, Chaplain of death, King Cankles, FS108, KevinH, LordSunday
+1.0 for voting to lynch SLMK the scum day 2: Finster Baby, Chaplain of death, LordSunday, Lyner, SeaBeeGipson, Yehom
-1.0 for voting for Wolfpacks day 2: FS108, Rhizoctonia, Kitkat16
-0.5 for voting for iSocialism day 3: FS108, Rhizoctonia, LordSunday, SeaBeeGipson, Yehom, KevinH, Wolfpacks, Kitkat16
-5.0 for being investigated as scum: LordSunday
 

1.5 Finster Baby
1.5 Chaplain of death
1 Lyner
0.5 SeaBeeGipson
0.5 Yehom
0.5 Wolfpacks
0.5 King Cankles
0 FS108
0 KevinH
-0.5 Rhizoctonia
-1 Kitkat16
-4 LordSunday
 

I thought iSocialism was the best choice to lynch yesterday.
Today, I'm listening to iSocialism.
 
Vote: LordSunday

[FS108]

Vote: LordSunday

This must be scum but i dont know can he pm me try and convince me that he is not

[Kitkat16]

 

 

KevinH : Quiet, haven't seen any post count votes; not a good sign for Kevin, but not a big enough sign to make me think scum

 

 
I always say "in the absence of any other information" it's best to go after inactives.

In this case, we have other information. But in the interest of full disclosure ...
 

59 Rhizoctonia
44 Kitkat16
39 Lyner
36 Finster Baby
35 SeaBeeGipson
35 LordSunday
34 Wolfpacks
30 King Cankles
26 FS108
20 Yehom
18 Chaplain of death
18 KevinH
 

 

It's tough to see myself on the bottom, but I have not been able to post much due to some real life issues (in particular having to screen-share during work which really cuts into other internet activities).
 
As I said, there is other information and everyone is active enough to vote so it's time again for SuperTownie Analysis^TM

 
+1.0 for being a surviving neighbor: Wolfpacks, FS108
+1.0 for claiming doc with no counterclaim: Rhizoctonia
+0.5 for voting no-lynch day 1: Finster Baby, Chaplain of death, King Cankles, FS108, KevinH, LordSunday
+1.0 for voting to lynch SLMK the scum day 2: Finster Baby, Chaplain of death, LordSunday, Lyner, SeaBeeGipson, Yehom
-1.0 for voting for Wolfpacks day 2: FS108, Rhizoctonia, Kitkat16
-0.5 for voting for iSocialism day 3: FS108, Rhizoctonia, LordSunday, SeaBeeGipson, Yehom, KevinH, Wolfpacks, Kitkat16
-5.0 for being investigated as scum: LordSunday
 

1.5 Finster Baby
1.5 Chaplain of death
1 Lyner
0.5 SeaBeeGipson
0.5 Yehom
0.5 Wolfpacks
0.5 King Cankles
0 FS108
0 KevinH
-0.5 Rhizoctonia
-1 Kitkat16
-4 LordSunday
 

I thought iSocialism was the best choice to lynch yesterday.
Today, I'm listening to iSocialism.
 
Vote: LordSunday

 

 

"-0.5 for voting for iSocialism day 3: FS108, Rhizoctonia, LordSunday, SeaBeeGipson, Yehom, KevinH, Wolfpacks, Kitkat16"

 

I didn't vote iSoc. Just sayin'. 

[Lyner]

In regards to lynching Isocialism.....The fact scum could just as easily have a RB ability that they could of used on Isocialism to block his Vig kill anyway, or if LS is actually town, we lynched LS, scum blocks Isocialism, then we start today with Isocialism being wrong about LS and not proving his Vig ability either thus he would be likely be lynched today with ease and down 2 town.  My guess is they probably have a RB if I'm still alive, as I bet they RB'd me to target hopefully the cop.  

 

The chance of framing is already very low, and now we're adding another probability that a roleblocker scum exist? We might as well add some town watcher or voyeur so we can prove that iSoc is targeted last night. 

 

 

D3 I'm lynched instead of iSoc. iSoc has his "vig kill," which turns out to be second town kill. Now, with pressure on him, he still has a PR and would have been able to play a card that there must be a framer or he was insane. As for the vig hit, it would've probably been on a suspicious town who he most likely could have gotten away with. Would it be a gamble? Yes of course. HOWEVER, with leads having started to point to him (remember he was called out right before he started the D3 drama), why wouldn't he take an opportunity to kill off at least 2 townies before his ship sunk? IF he had been scum, you cannot tell me that would not have been a viable strategy.

 

 

If iSoc is a scum, then his RC is trivial. Remember his claims? Investigation on N1, scums can fake it. Roleblock on N2, a roleblocker/role cop scum can fake it. There is no need for a scum iSoc to truthfully claims a certain role.

 

 

 

Can we stop trying to justify iSoc's killing yesterday? It's a bad move, plain and simple. Your gut feelings were wrong. We can keep adding ridiculous scenarios and even the supposedly confirmed townies will look suspicious. Stick with the most obvious scenarios until it's proven wrong.

 

Scums knew iSoc is a JoAT and they'd love for an iSoc kill to happen, that's the fact. If LS is town and actually got framed then scums were having a good time yesterday and were happy to just sit around and observing how things went. 

 

If nobody wants to reveal any more informations I guess it's between LS and Kitkat today for me. SBG is worth suspecting but he's lower on the list.

 

 

 

And is it just me or is there nobody who suspected Kitkat here? Makes me more suspicious of him, actually, since scums would avoid mentioning his scum friends.

[Kitkat16]

 

 

And is it just me or is there nobody who suspected Kitkat here? Makes me more suspicious of him, actually, since scums would avoid mentioning his scum friends.

 

 

Other than Rhizo, CoD, Kevin and to some extent SBG and KC you mean? 

[Chaplain of death]

 

Again, for the love of god, why would scum throw a team member away to try to lynch a supposed VT when we didn't have any real leads?

 

Ok, play out the scenario IF iSoc had been scum.

 

D3 I'm lynched instead of iSoc. iSoc has his "vig kill," which turns out to be second town kill. Now, with pressure on him, he still has a PR and would have been able to play a card that there must be a framer or he was insane. As for the vig hit, it would've probably been on a suspicious town who he most likely could have gotten away with. Would it be a gamble? Yes of course. HOWEVER, with leads having started to point to him (remember he was called out right before he started the D3 drama), why wouldn't he take an opportunity to kill off at least 2 townies before his ship sunk? IF he had been scum, you cannot tell me that would not have been a viable strategy.

 

Obviously now we know he was town, but at the time that theory above became more viable than him actually telling the truth. Keep in mind there were a lot of suspicious moves. Such as his D2 behavior, when he NEVER made mention of my name as him being remotely suspicious.

 

Regardless, D3 is over, we have to live with the results we voted. Am I upset? Obviously. But I'm not going to sit here and waste the day defending myself over it again. I did that yesterday, there's nothing more I can add at this point other than to start scum hunting. Because if I am lynched and I come up town, then at least I'll have tried to do something.

 

 

Okay let me play out the scenario if he was scum. There's no way of knowing he has a kill ability outside of their faction kill. Claiming JOAT doesn't make him scum JOAT if its a fake claim. Scenario complete.

 

The reality of what happened yesterday is this. There was a little suspicion thrown at iSoc, as there is in every game hes played in the last year so far as I can tell, because people don't seem to like his play style because he lays way out of the limelight, which can be detrimental to the town. However none of that suspicion amounted to a wagon or anything that would actually put him in danger of being the days lynch. 

 

When he claimed and you claimed you were a VT and therefore must have been framed or that iSoc must be scum, the logical answer is that you were framed if that was true because there was exactly nothing compelling scum to make that sacrifice play (Which is why they didn't make it as we know now). Therefore logically iSoc is a townie with an investigation result that could be false. There is only one way to know if it is false and that is to act on it. 

 

So.... Here we are.... on day 4. We have an investigation result that says LS is scum. His defense is that he was framed. He voted for a townie to die yesterday. We know that the player who claimed the result was town, and we know they were sane (it would say otherwise). So we can gamble on the scum having a framer, or we can lynch based on the investigation result we have in hand. I choose to do the latter.

 

 

 

((@Rhizo I know its not particularly helpful to the town so I try not to do it too much but the reason I am less active at the start of games is there is usually lots of back and forth about nothing of consequence and its boring. I check out to be honest. I get into it a few days in when we have information to go on and I can start building logical scenarios for why things happened. That and because I've gotten into heated arguments about nothing early in games with people and when there isn't actual information to go on, people get personal and I'm not really looking for that in this game.))

[KevinH]

We know that the player who claimed the result was town, and we know they were sane (it would say otherwise).

 

Mod: Would a non-sane portion of a Jack-of-all-Trades be revealed upon death?

[KevinH]

I didn't vote iSoc. Just sayin'.

 

My apologies. There was no malicious intent behind that error.

[SeaBeeGipson]

Vote: LordSunday
This must be scum but i dont know can he pm me try and convince me that he is not

Please, No PMing. I don't want a take 3 on this game.

[Rhizoctonia]

Vote: LordSunday

This must be scum but i dont know can he pm me try and convince me that he is not

 

 

Did he pm you?

 

I swear...if rules were broken again I am gonna lose it

[Finster Baby]

Vote: LordSunday
This must be scum but i dont know can he pm me try and convince me that he is not

Please, No PMing. I don't want a take 3 on this game.

This!!!

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