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[Yehom]

Unvote LS

 

Well I'm officially confused right now. Unless someone wants to counterclaim, I trust Cankles' role claim. I'm going to go back to see what to make of things knowing what we know now. 

 

I think FS is confusing Sister Midnight (SM) and Supreme Leader MK (SLMK)

[SeaBeeGipson]

I think FS is confusing Sister Midnight (SM) and Supreme Leader MK (SLMK)

 

 

My thoughts exactly. His posts are extremely hard to decipher lately. 

[LordSunday]

LordSunday (4): Chaplain of Death, KevinH, FS108, Yehom

 

4 speedy votes to me. Last I checked the town never wants to rush days, but here I am practically in hammering distance.

 

Framer only allows negative results from the wiki; therefore we would be sure that Wolfpacks and LS are confirmed townies.

 

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This

 

Also, keep in mind if there is a framer, and LS is technically scum, they could of framed LS for him to appear to a cop as Town. It's a lot better chance a scum did this last night expecting a cop to recheck him.

 

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Followed by this

 

Makes me suspicious of you once again Rhiz.

With KC's RC, that makes that a very very interesting turn of events. I'll have to think more on this later, but for now I would say my primary FoS is all those on my wagon currently. You all went straight for the kill knowing full well that will bring forward the night.

[SeaBeeGipson]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Neighbor

 

As a side note, no where does it say neighbors are limited to one scum. While I think its doubtful TW would put 2 scum into a neighbor unit, just something that I came across while looking at the framer on the wiki.

[Rhizoctonia]

LordSunday (4): Chaplain of Death, KevinH, FS108, Yehom

4 speedy votes to me. Last I checked the town never wants to rush days, but here I am practically in hammering distance.

Framer only allows negative results from the wiki; therefore we would be sure that Wolfpacks and LS are confirmed townies.

^^^^
This

Also, keep in mind if there is a framer, and LS is technically scum, they could of framed LS for him to appear to a cop as Town. It's a lot better chance a scum did this last night expecting a cop to recheck him.

^^^^
Followed by this

Makes me suspicious of you once again Rhiz.
With KC's RC, that makes that a very very interesting turn of events. I'll have to think more on this later, but for now I would say my primary FoS is all those on my wagon currently. You all went straight for the kill knowing full well that will bring forward the night.

A framer can frame themselves to come out opposite. If you want to act as if it can't, ask TW because it's been talked about when I was scum. Also putting suspicious on me whose a claimed doctor with no challenges is absolutely a poor choice

[LordSunday]

A framer can frame themselves to come out opposite. If you want to act as if it can't, ask TW because it's been talked about when I was scum. Also putting suspicious on me whose a claimed doctor with no challenges is absolutely a poor choice

Alright then for my own learning curve TW can this be done?

 

If that's the case then I withdraw my statement about having suspicions of you. The reason for them being there was because you seemed almost as if you were trying to negate KC without directly doing so. Regardless, my suspicion for those who were/are on my wagon by far trumps your framer statement. Those 4 had votes on me with full knowledge that would put me in a position to get rapidly killed. I wouldn't be surprised if one or two scums are sitting in front of us.

[King Cankles]

A framer can frame themselves to come out opposite. If you want to act as if it can't, ask TW because it's been talked about when I was scum. Also putting suspicious on me whose a claimed doctor with no challenges is absolutely a poor choice

Alright then for my own learning curve TW can this be done?
 
If that's the case then I withdraw my statement about having suspicions of you. The reason for them being there was because you seemed almost as if you were trying to negate KC without directly doing so. Regardless, my suspicion for those who were/are on my wagon by far trumps your framer statement. Those 4 had votes on me with full knowledge that would put me in a position to get rapidly killed. I wouldn't be surprised if one or two scums are sitting in front of us.

My point exactly. When I die tonight it will confirm my RC. So town needs to go ahead and plan for that assumption.

[Rhizoctonia]

 

A framer can frame themselves to come out opposite. If you want to act as if it can't, ask TW because it's been talked about when I was scum. Also putting suspicious on me whose a claimed doctor with no challenges is absolutely a poor choice

Alright then for my own learning curve TW can this be done?

 

If that's the case then I withdraw my statement about having suspicions of you. The reason for them being there was because you seemed almost as if you were trying to negate KC without directly doing so. Regardless, my suspicion for those who were/are on my wagon by far trumps your framer statement. Those 4 had votes on me with full knowledge that would put me in a position to get rapidly killed. I wouldn't be surprised if one or two scums are sitting in front of us.

 

 

 

And this is why I am waiting to see how I want to go.  If you're town I wouldn't be fully surprised if there isn't a scum or 2 on you, but now I got to wage what I believe most.  I'm not negating his RC as not being truthful that he's the cop, but you now have 2 town who have cop roles get opposite results on you.  Thus, there is a framer, and you either got framed N1, or you and the scum team framed you N3 because they figured you'd be investigated again, especially after Isocialism came up town, so instead of scum it would come up town.  

[Yehom]

Ok I just reread the entire D3 and somethings stood out to me, knowing what we know now. First of LS was pretty quickly sold on the fact that iSoc was not lying about being a JOAT, whilst iSoc was accusing LS of being scum. This could be the reverse framing can come into play. There is a possibility that LS is indeed scum and let his scum friend frame him so he would come up as town through Cankles inspection. It would explain why LS was so forgiving towards iSoc, because claiming iSoc lying wouldn't help LS if iSoc was lynched, like he was, and his role revealed him to be the role he was. I'm not sure what to think of this, because of something else, namely because of the fact that Kitkat was very on the fence last day. He didn't really pick a side between LS and iSoc, as if he knew that there were 2 townies fighting. He instead opted to vote for SGB, which makes me believe that SGB is indeed town, like he claimed earlier (although very stealthily). 

[King Cankles]

So you're saying it's possible that LS is the framer, and framed himself to appear town under my investigation ?

[Finster Baby]

So you're saying it's possible that LS is the framer, and framed himself to appear town under my investigation ?

Its possible. However, I will now Role Claim:

Role:

You are Hagrid, an Order of the Phoenix 2-Shot Roleblocker.

LS could not have used his Framer role last night, if he had one, as I used one of my shots to block his Role last night.

[King Cankles]

Bang. If there's no counterclaim then they puts me, LS, FB, and WP as definite town.

Only a few left
^that
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that leaves

Chaplain of Death, KevinH, FS108, SBG, Kit Kat, and Yehom to be determined.

[Yehom]

So you're saying it's possible that LS is the framer, and framed himself to appear town under my investigation ?

Its possible. However, I will now Role Claim:

Role:

You are Hagrid, an Order of the Phoenix 2-Shot Roleblocker.

LS could not have used his Framer role last night, if he had one, as I used one of my shots to block his Role last night.

It doesn't need to be LS who framed himself. It could be any other scum member that framed him so this doesn't clear him.

[Finster Baby]

So you're saying it's possible that LS is the framer, and framed himself to appear town under my investigation ?

Its possible. However, I will now Role Claim:

Role:

You are Hagrid, an Order of the Phoenix 2-Shot Roleblocker.

LS could not have used his Framer role last night, if he had one, as I used one of my shots to block his Role last night.

It doesn't need to be LS who framed himself. It could be any other scum member that framed him so this doesn't clear him.

That's true, however, it definitely rules LS out as the framer, and makes his town bona fides go up significantly.

[Yehom]

I don't see how this changes anything. No he's not a framer, but he could be any of other scum role. We do however know he didn't make the kill either. So that does speak for him

[King Cankles]

My FoS is on the silent.

[Rhizoctonia]

That proves absolutely nothing. No role can actually use it on themselves, case in point doctors. You coming forth with saying you RB LS does zero to make him more town, if he was framed to change how he would come up, it would have to come from someone else.

A framer role has been used on him, that's pretty evident to anyone at this point. Two different results. You basically presented what we already know, he isn't the framer, which we knew because you can't use role on himself.

Only thing it does is improve your town points, which at this point wasn't in question from at least me.

Bang. If there's no counterclaim then they puts me, LS, FB, and WP as definite town.

Only a few left
^that
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that leaves

Chaplain of Death, KevinH, FS108, SBG, Kit Kat, and Yehom to be determined.

Slow down there. That does not put LS as definite town.

O and you forgot about me on your lists.

Also if WP is town due to his neighbor role, that would mean FS108 is as well.

[Rhizoctonia]

You also forgot Lyner

[King Cankles]

RIght my bad, knew I left out someone.

And WP is definite town under my investigation.

[LordSunday]

OK, I'm summing up for my own sanity what I've seen thus far.

 

Town - KC, FB, Rhiz, WP, myself --- This group are those who have either came up as town per investigation, or has claimed their role with no counter-claim

 

Unknowns - CoD, KevinH, FS108, SBG, KitKat, Yehom, Lyner --- Hasn't done the above or had a way to prove their town-leaning

 

 

Those who have voted me today - CoD, KevinH, FS108, Yehom (has since unvoted)

Unknowns on the iSoc wagon - SBG, FS108, KevinH, Yehom

Unknowns who did not vote MK - FS108, KevinH

 

My thoughts:

 

CoD - Due to his starting of the MK wagon, and the behavior he's exhibited, I lean more to him being town than anything.

 

KevinH - My top suspect at this point. He has been quiet most of the time, did not vote scum but instead voted CoD, who started the entire push for MK (which rings pretty town to me), and followed the framework that I said scum would most likely follow (lynching iSoc yesterday knowing he's town to get an easy lynch on me today).

 

FS108 - Very sporadic and confusing in his posting behaviors. We know that he's the neighbor of WP, but he could have also been scum buddy to MK. No way for me to lean completely one way or the other, but I think given the neighbor circumstance he is more likely town than anything.

 

SBG - Was RBed by iSoc on N2, when no kill occurred. We also know however that SM could have travelled, or that Rhiz could have protected CoD who was the actual target (which makes sense given CoD's starting of the MK lynch, and gives him more town points).

 

KitKat - Has Lyner's suspicions, but definitely has had a confused town appearance to him. Could be a skillful scum or a town about as confused as the rest of us. Gotta say pretty neutral here.

 

Yehom - Has been rather quiet, but comes in to make a couple paragraphs of text every day or two. Voted me rather quickly after sounding so assured that iSoc was scum and I was town yesterday (sure, roles were revealed but to 180 that quickly is rather suspicious). Also, he seems to be pushing that I just got myself framed last night to appear town (still waiting on confirmation if that is even possible). Leaning more scum then town, but mostly neutral.

 

Lyner - Lyner's big point is that my death was less valuable than iSoc's. I think this is still BS, but it is what it is. He could easily be a scum though who defended iSoc knowing he was a town JOAT. I'm pretty neutral on him.

 

So my current list of most likely scum:

 

KevinH

Yehom

 

 

Anything that I'm missing?