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[Kitkat16]

fs whatever you are on i need some

[Chaplain of death]

unvote catching up on thread but im on my cell at work so it'll be awhile

[KevinH]

Unvote.

 

I like to follow the cop.  Especially now that we know who he is.

 

Another consideration is that the sanity is random.  The Warrior specifically said,  "The following modifiers may also exist in this game: ..., Various Sanities, ... "

 

See https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Sanities

[Chaplain of death]

So i tend to believe cankles claim since there hasn't been a counter claim, however......

Cankles says he came out and voted SLMK after investigating him and finding out he was scum, however a quick review of day 2 shows that to be a total lie. He puts an FoS on SLMK shortly after i voted for him, before the wagon really got momentum, but he never voted for him. In fact his vote came after the end of the day but before TW closed the thread. I find it troubling for a cop to claim to have known that SLMK was scum and not even cast a vote. He said he was busy but to now claim that he acted differently than what actually happened because what actually happened detracts heavily from his claim...... its pretty suspicious.
Also his investigation results for night 1 and 2 are on peolle who's roles were already public knowledge, which is always a red flag for me when considering a role claim.

[King Cankles]

So i tend to believe cankles claim since there hasn't been a counter claim, however......
Cankles says he came out and voted SLMK after investigating him and finding out he was scum, however a quick review of day 2 shows that to be a total lie. He puts an FoS on SLMK shortly after i voted for him, before the wagon really got momentum, but he never voted for him. In fact his vote came after the end of the day but before TW closed the thread. I find it troubling for a cop to claim to have known that SLMK was scum and not even cast a vote. He said he was busy but to now claim that he acted differently than what actually happened because what actually happened detracts heavily from his claim...... its pretty suspicious.
Also his investigation results for night 1 and 2 are on peolle who's roles were already public knowledge, which is always a red flag for me when considering a role claim.

Honestly I haven't even looked back at the events of N2. I just posted how I thought they happened why would I lie when you can clearly go back and see for yourself. Grad night was a blur...but I know I didn't vote for him, because like I said I didn't want to give away my role to the scum as a cop. An immediate vote definitely would've caused suspicion. And then after that I just never got my vote in.

[Lyner]

If we believe KC's words I think its safe to say that LS is town. Framer can only turn a town as guilty, not the reverse
That said, CoD's suspicions is legit. I might also add something to the discussion soon

[The Warrior]

"We've all got both light and dark inside us. What matters is the part we choose to act on. That's who we really are."

 

Vote Count
 

LordSunday (1): FS108

Kitkat16 (1): Lyner

Chaplain of Death (0):

Finster Baby (0):

FS108 (0):

KevinH (0):

King Cankles (0):

Lyner (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

SeaBeeGipson (0):

Wolfpacks (0):

Yehom (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

Not Voting: Chaplain of Death, Finster Baby, KevinH, King Cankles, Kitkat16, LordSunday, Rhizoctonia, SeaBeeGipson, Wolfpacks, Yehom

With 12 alive it takes 6 to lynch or 3 at deadline.

Deadline is 1:00pm CST on Monday, June 19th.

[Yehom]

roles were revealed but to 180 that quickly is rather suspicious

So what do you want me to do? Vote for you again? i don't unvote I'm scum because I'm voting against the cop, I do unvote and it's a suspicious 180 so I must be scum. For someone that was so forgiving towards someone that accused him a full day, you're awfully quick to jump me

[LordSunday]

I'm not saying you're immediately scum, but I'm saying yesterday you put up a wall of text explaining why you voted iSoc, then you stuck to that vote. Today, when you made your first post and subsequently voted for me, you made a comment along the lines of voting me like you were going to in the first place, even though yesterday you made no indication to vote for me what-so-ever. THAT is what I found suspicious, not the unvote itself. The unvote would be expected of anybody town or scum, being as a cop has RCed.

[Yehom]

You do realize the position where you are in right now. iSoc investigates you as scum, he gets lynched and his role gets revealed as the role he claimed. Tell me honestly how that looks for you. Do you actually want to argue that if you were in my position, you wouldn't do the exact same thing? What's more suspicious, the person that came up both innocent and guilty, or the person that votes based on the information that is available. You can't honestly tell me something isn't up. 

[Lyner]

All these RCs and we didn't narrow our scum list any single bit  

 

 

 

Putting all these infos aside, I'll keep echoing this:

 

There is no way everyone on the WP wagon is town. Each member of the said wagon is almost confirmed townies, except Kitkat.

[LordSunday]

I'm not trying to dispute my suspicions, but as I've made clear multiple times there's nothing more I can provide for myself. I have no PR, I have no additional information. Everything I am able to know is what is provided to me throughout that specific day. At this point I cannot control my fate in any way. I've provided my name, I've provided my role, and up until I die will continue to provide what my thoughts are, so the town may use it to further their own knowledge afterwards. I figured that would be the most help I can provide, seeing as my only power is in my daily vote.

 

In my opinion, that's called scum hunting. What hunting have you done, other than the occasional two paragraphs and then attacking me for simply saying that I've found your behavior suspicious? You've done nothing to provide additional thoughts in my opinion, only jumped onto and off of wagons when the need or desire presents itself.

 

I know that people are suspicious of me, if I were any of them I would be to, but that doesn't mean we should drop everything just to lynch me and gain no additional info other than another townie killed.

 

 

 

All these RCs and we didn't narrow our scum list any single bit

 

 

 

Putting all these infos aside, I'll keep echoing this:

 

There is no way everyone on the WP wagon is town. Each member of the said wagon is almost confirmed townies, except Kitkat.

 

 

All these RCs and we didn't narrow our scum list any single bit

 

 

 

Putting all these infos aside, I'll keep echoing this:

 

There is no way everyone on the WP wagon is town. Each member of the said wagon is almost confirmed townies, except Kitkat.

It has been speculated already that two of the neighbors, though unlikely, could have been scum.

 

Also, there was a vote on CoD by KevinH, who was the first to vote MK.

 

Following your logic, that gives us three names to work with: KitKat, KevinH, and FS.

[Wolfpacks]

After reading a lot of text im still having trouble getting my head round that Isoc called out LordSunday as scum no one believed him, then Isoc got mistakenly lynched and found to be town, with LS calling that there was a framer, personally i dont think there was and i think this is as black and white as it seems, LS is scum exactly as isoc said and he jumped on SLMK wagon so he would look town, i also believe that LS has a big power role.

 

Vote LordSunday 

[LordSunday]

LS calling that there was a framer, personally i dont think there was

 

The fact investigations on me have received two differing results speaks to the fact there is a framer (unless there's something that I'm missing)

[Wolfpacks]

the second could be a lie to cover you by one of your scum buddys

[SeaBeeGipson]

Bang. If there's no counterclaim then they puts me, LS, FB, and WP as definite town.

Only a few left 
^that
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that leaves

Chaplain of Death, KevinH, FS108, SBG, Kit Kat, and Yehom to be determined.

No offense to Finister, but a roleblocker RC shouldn't be passed instantly as town. It isn't a common role, like cop or doctor, that appear nearly every game. Plus there isn't a true way to prove it.

I'm not saying I don't believe FB, but to plug him in as definite town is questionable. I'd go more with presumably town (such as FS for his neighboring role). Also keep in mind, scum have been known to have roleblockers as well.

 

Plus I don't think I mentioned Finister in my post (#531), so that does play with the odds I created a little bit. 

 

My List (and reasonings):

 

95-100% Town:

Rhizo - Claimed Doctor with no counterclaim. We have a doctor every game.

King Cankles - Claimed Cop. Though the investigations (MK -1st night and WP 2nd after we knew WP was presumably town) do make me curious. He is new which explains the investigations and Cop exists every game so far. No counter-claim.

Wolfpacks - Neighbor and investigated town

 

70 - 94% Town:

FS - Neighbor. I'd like to keep an open mind to there possibly being 2 scum among the neighbor as TW has known to throw spins in the game and a reverse of the usual neighbor setup would be interesting. The likelihood of this, however, is not large. So presumably town.

Finister - Claimed Roleblocker. While it is a role that scum could have, and a role with no way to prove it; his previous scum hunting mixed with the RC does add credibility.

 

40 - 69% Neutral:

Lord Sunday: Now before you say "The cop investigated!" Let me explain my reasoning I put him on the neutral. We have 2 conflicting results and no proof of a framer just yet. We KNOW Isocialism truly was a JoAT and did investigate LS. King Cankles, however, investigated LS the night he was most suspicious. Also the night a TAILOR could have flipped the results on Lord Sunday. TAILOR is also a role that can exists on the list. While we discuss a framer, I believe we have a tailor on the loose. This possibility exists. Hence, why I will not place him as town just yet.

 

Yehom: Took an early approach on Lord Sunday today. No Roleclaim, but no true tell-sign of scum behavior. I doubt if LS was scum and Yehom, they would conduct an argument so early in the day. There is a possibility both are town, or just one, however. Hence why I'd put Yehom at neutral.

 

CoD - Rhizo protected during a no-kill night. But with the possibility of SM leaving that same night existing, we aren't sure whether Rhizo did block a kill or SM saved herself. Other than this alone, there is no reasoning to put CoD higher on the list (but he has NOT conducted much scum behavior to me. So, lowering him would do a disservice to scum hunting.)

 

20% - 39% Presumably Scum

 

KitKat - Definitely high on everyone's list. His positioning on wagons and his reluctance to join the wagons yesterday definitely puts suspicion on him.

 

Lyner - I had some suspicions towards his behavior regarding Isocialism yesterday. After knowing that Isocialism is truly town, it does make me question how he was so defensive of town; as if trying to concrete his own standings. Does this mean he is scum? Absolutely not. But I have yet to see much town behavior to put him higher on the list. Just as KitKat hasn't shown much town behavior to me.

 

KevinH - inactive. Coming from the "lynch all inactives". He claims RL, but I'd hope to get at least somewhat more from him. 

 

0% - 19% Scum

As of right now, I don't have anyone I'm this confident is scum. Otherwise, I'd be instantly voting them right now. 

 

Just my list. I hope to start seeing more lists so we can generate more discussion towards this scum hunt.

Bang. If there's no counterclaim then they puts me, LS, FB, and WP as definite town.

Only a few left 
^that
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that leaves

Chaplain of Death, KevinH, FS108, SBG, Kit Kat, and Yehom to be determined.

No offense to Finister, but a roleblocker RC shouldn't be passed instantly as town. It isn't a common role, like cop or doctor, that appear nearly every game. Plus there isn't a true way to prove it.

I'm not saying I don't believe FB, but to plug him in as definite town is questionable. I'd go more with presumably town (such as FS for his neighboring role). Also keep in mind, scum have been known to have roleblockers as well.

 

Plus I don't think I mentioned Finister in my post (#531), so that does play with the odds I created a little bit. 

 

My List (and reasonings)

[Finster Baby]

The conflicting results on LS sucks. However, to have the cop investigate him again is counterproductive, as a framer could just turn around and target him again to skew results.

Now, keep in mind the Framer will only show unfavorable results tho the person conducting the investigation. Tailor could come into play here, certainly.

Yeah, this game keeps getting more and more crazy.

[The Warrior]

"Harry, don't go picking a row with Malfoy, don't forget, he's a prefect now, he could make life difficult for you...."

"Wow, I wonder what it'd be like to have a difficult life?"

 

Vote Count
 

LordSunday (2): FS108, Wolfpacks

Kitkat16 (1): Lyner

Chaplain of Death (0):

Finster Baby (0):

FS108 (0):

KevinH (0):

King Cankles (0):

Lyner (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

SeaBeeGipson (0):

Wolfpacks (0):

Yehom (0):

No Lynch (0):

 

Not Voting: Chaplain of Death, Finster Baby, KevinH, King Cankles, Kitkat16, LordSunday, Rhizoctonia, SeaBeeGipson, Yehom

 

With 12 alive it takes 6 to lynch or 3 at deadline.

Deadline is 1:00pm CST on Monday, June 19th.

[Chaplain of death]

 

Bang. If there's no counterclaim then they puts me, LS, FB, and WP as definite town.

Only a few left 
^that
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that leaves

Chaplain of Death, KevinH, FS108, SBG, Kit Kat, and Yehom to be determined.

No offense to Finister, but a roleblocker RC shouldn't be passed instantly as town. It isn't a common role, like cop or doctor, that appear nearly every game. Plus there isn't a true way to prove it.

I'm not saying I don't believe FB, but to plug him in as definite town is questionable. I'd go more with presumably town (such as FS for his neighboring role). Also keep in mind, scum have been known to have roleblockers as well.

 

Plus I don't think I mentioned Finister in my post (#531), so that does play with the odds I created a little bit. 

 

My List (and reasonings):

 

95-100% Town:

Rhizo - Claimed Doctor with no counterclaim. We have a doctor every game.

King Cankles - Claimed Cop. Though the investigations (MK -1st night and WP 2nd after we knew WP was presumably town) do make me curious. He is new which explains the investigations and Cop exists every game so far. No counter-claim.

Wolfpacks - Neighbor and investigated town

 

70 - 94% Town:

FS - Neighbor. I'd like to keep an open mind to there possibly being 2 scum among the neighbor as TW has known to throw spins in the game and a reverse of the usual neighbor setup would be interesting. The likelihood of this, however, is not large. So presumably town.

Finister - Claimed Roleblocker. While it is a role that scum could have, and a role with no way to prove it; his previous scum hunting mixed with the RC does add credibility.

 

40 - 69% Neutral:

Lord Sunday: Now before you say "The cop investigated!" Let me explain my reasoning I put him on the neutral. We have 2 conflicting results and no proof of a framer just yet. We KNOW Isocialism truly was a JoAT and did investigate LS. King Cankles, however, investigated LS the night he was most suspicious. Also the night a TAILOR could have flipped the results on Lord Sunday. TAILOR is also a role that can exists on the list. While we discuss a framer, I believe we have a tailor on the loose. This possibility exists. Hence, why I will not place him as town just yet.

 

Yehom: Took an early approach on Lord Sunday today. No Roleclaim, but no true tell-sign of scum behavior. I doubt if LS was scum and Yehom, they would conduct an argument so early in the day. There is a possibility both are town, or just one, however. Hence why I'd put Yehom at neutral.

 

CoD - Rhizo protected during a no-kill night. But with the possibility of SM leaving that same night existing, we aren't sure whether Rhizo did block a kill or SM saved herself. Other than this alone, there is no reasoning to put CoD higher on the list (but he has NOT conducted much scum behavior to me. So, lowering him would do a disservice to scum hunting.)

 

20% - 39% Presumably Scum

 

KitKat - Definitely high on everyone's list. His positioning on wagons and his reluctance to join the wagons yesterday definitely puts suspicion on him.

 

Lyner - I had some suspicions towards his behavior regarding Isocialism yesterday. After knowing that Isocialism is truly town, it does make me question how he was so defensive of town; as if trying to concrete his own standings. Does this mean he is scum? Absolutely not. But I have yet to see much town behavior to put him higher on the list. Just as KitKat hasn't shown much town behavior to me.

 

KevinH - inactive. Coming from the "lynch all inactives". He claims RL, but I'd hope to get at least somewhat more from him. 

 

0% - 19% Scum

As of right now, I don't have anyone I'm this confident is scum. Otherwise, I'd be instantly voting them right now. 

 

Just my list. I hope to start seeing more lists so we can generate more discussion towards this scum hunt.

Bang. If there's no counterclaim then they puts me, LS, FB, and WP as definite town.

Only a few left 
^that
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that leaves

Chaplain of Death, KevinH, FS108, SBG, Kit Kat, and Yehom to be determined.

No offense to Finister, but a roleblocker RC shouldn't be passed instantly as town. It isn't a common role, like cop or doctor, that appear nearly every game. Plus there isn't a true way to prove it.

I'm not saying I don't believe FB, but to plug him in as definite town is questionable. I'd go more with presumably town (such as FS for his neighboring role). Also keep in mind, scum have been known to have roleblockers as well.

 

Plus I don't think I mentioned Finister in my post (#531), so that does play with the odds I created a little bit. 

 

My List (and reasonings)

 

 

Just saying I also led the wagon on MK. Kind of relevant. Not sure why people are trying to subtly put me lower and lower down the list today. seems odd. I get that Im in no way confirmed but I've conducted myself decently I think.

[King Cankles]

Bang. If there's no counterclaim then they puts me, LS, FB, and WP as definite town.
Only a few left 
^that
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that leaves
Chaplain of Death, KevinH, FS108, SBG, Kit Kat, and Yehom to be determined.

No offense to Finister, but a roleblocker RC shouldn't be passed instantly as town. It isn't a common role, like cop or doctor, that appear nearly every game. Plus there isn't a true way to prove it.
I'm not saying I don't believe FB, but to plug him in as definite town is questionable. I'd go more with presumably town (such as FS for his neighboring role). Also keep in mind, scum have been known to have roleblockers as well.
 
Plus I don't think I mentioned Finister in my post (#531), so that does play with the odds I created a little bit. 
 
My List (and reasonings):
 
95-100% Town:
Rhizo - Claimed Doctor with no counterclaim. We have a doctor every game.
King Cankles - Claimed Cop. Though the investigations (MK -1st night and WP 2nd after we knew WP was presumably town) do make me curious. He is new which explains the investigations and Cop exists every game so far. No counter-claim.
Wolfpacks - Neighbor and investigated town
 
70 - 94% Town:
FS - Neighbor. I'd like to keep an open mind to there possibly being 2 scum among the neighbor as TW has known to throw spins in the game and a reverse of the usual neighbor setup would be interesting. The likelihood of this, however, is not large. So presumably town.
Finister - Claimed Roleblocker. While it is a role that scum could have, and a role with no way to prove it; his previous scum hunting mixed with the RC does add credibility.
 
40 - 69% Neutral:
Lord Sunday: Now before you say "The cop investigated!" Let me explain my reasoning I put him on the neutral. We have 2 conflicting results and no proof of a framer just yet. We KNOW Isocialism truly was a JoAT and did investigate LS. King Cankles, however, investigated LS the night he was most suspicious. Also the night a TAILOR could have flipped the results on Lord Sunday. TAILOR is also a role that can exists on the list. While we discuss a framer, I believe we have a tailor on the loose. This possibility exists. Hence, why I will not place him as town just yet.
 
Yehom: Took an early approach on Lord Sunday today. No Roleclaim, but no true tell-sign of scum behavior. I doubt if LS was scum and Yehom, they would conduct an argument so early in the day. There is a possibility both are town, or just one, however. Hence why I'd put Yehom at neutral.
 
CoD - Rhizo protected during a no-kill night. But with the possibility of SM leaving that same night existing, we aren't sure whether Rhizo did block a kill or SM saved herself. Other than this alone, there is no reasoning to put CoD higher on the list (but he has NOT conducted much scum behavior to me. So, lowering him would do a disservice to scum hunting.)
 
20% - 39% Presumably Scum
 
KitKat - Definitely high on everyone's list. His positioning on wagons and his reluctance to join the wagons yesterday definitely puts suspicion on him.
 
Lyner - I had some suspicions towards his behavior regarding Isocialism yesterday. After knowing that Isocialism is truly town, it does make me question how he was so defensive of town; as if trying to concrete his own standings. Does this mean he is scum? Absolutely not. But I have yet to see much town behavior to put him higher on the list. Just as KitKat hasn't shown much town behavior to me.
 
KevinH - inactive. Coming from the "lynch all inactives". He claims RL, but I'd hope to get at least somewhat more from him. 
 
0% - 19% Scum
As of right now, I don't have anyone I'm this confident is scum. Otherwise, I'd be instantly voting them right now. 
 
Just my list. I hope to start seeing more lists so we can generate more discussion towards this scum hunt.

Bang. If there's no counterclaim then they puts me, LS, FB, and WP as definite town.
Only a few left 
^that
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that leaves
Chaplain of Death, KevinH, FS108, SBG, Kit Kat, and Yehom to be determined.

No offense to Finister, but a roleblocker RC shouldn't be passed instantly as town. It isn't a common role, like cop or doctor, that appear nearly every game. Plus there isn't a true way to prove it.
I'm not saying I don't believe FB, but to plug him in as definite town is questionable. I'd go more with presumably town (such as FS for his neighboring role). Also keep in mind, scum have been known to have roleblockers as well.
 
Plus I don't think I mentioned Finister in my post (#531), so that does play with the odds I created a little bit. 
 
My List (and reasonings)

Yes you're right about Finster. *presumably town.

The conflicting results on LS sucks. However, to have the cop investigate him again is counterproductive, as a framer could just turn around and target him again to skew results.Now, keep in mind the Framer will only show unfavorable results tho the person conducting the investigation. Tailor could come into play here, certainly.Yeah, this game keeps getting more and more crazy.

I doubt I'll be able to investigate again, I'll most definitely be killed tonight. And if not, I'd consider that a scums attempt to turn the town on me by lynching someone else to make my cop-claim seem false.