So uh... are there roles that would make someone appear guilty as an SK?

​Wrong Place at the Wrong Time (Universal Miller) will do it. Which is what I roleclaimed so you should ​get a guilty result on me. If TW investigates he would get a guilty result too which would farther verify my claim. 

 

You did investigate me, right?

So did Werewolf not kill or did Rhizo not kill?

 

What happened here?

 

I'm wondering that too, and assuming that both Rhizo and ww attempted kills they either targeted the same person or one was blocked/failed

 

 

 

So uh... are there roles that would make someone appear guilty as an SK?

​Wrong Place at the Wrong Time (Universal Miller) will do it. Which is what I roleclaimed so you should ​get a guilty result on me. If TW investigates he would get a guilty result too which would farther verify my claim. 

 

You did investigate me, right?

 

 

Also this ^

If Canik was found guilty as SK last night then he's pretty much confirmed

Less kill = 1 step closer to victory. Good news for us, whatever stopped the 2nd kill. Rhizo is the obvious choice of lynch today, though I am not placing the vote so that discussions continue.

 

So did Werewolf not kill or did Rhizo not kill?

 

What happened here?

 

I'm wondering that too, and assuming that both Rhizo and ww attempted kills they either targeted the same person or one was blocked/failed

 

 

 

So uh... are there roles that would make someone appear guilty as an SK?

​Wrong Place at the Wrong Time (Universal Miller) will do it. Which is what I roleclaimed so you should ​get a guilty result on me. If TW investigates he would get a guilty result too which would farther verify my claim. 

You did investigate me, right?

 

 

Also this ^

If Canik was found guilty as SK last night then he's pretty much confirmed

 

 

I guess we need TW to investigate him as guilty as well to confirm him town.

Well believe I got roleblocked for a second time.  O wells, I'm out.  

 

So did Werewolf not kill or did Rhizo not kill?

 

What happened here?

 

I'm wondering that too, and assuming that both Rhizo and ww attempted kills they either targeted the same person or one was blocked/failed

 

 

 

So uh... are there roles that would make someone appear guilty as an SK?

​Wrong Place at the Wrong Time (Universal Miller) will do it. Which is what I roleclaimed so you should ​get a guilty result on me. If TW investigates he would get a guilty result too which would farther verify my claim. 

 

You did investigate me, right?

 

 

Also this ^

If Canik was found guilty as SK last night then he's pretty much confirmed

 

 

Alright, well I'll confirm he came up as guilty.

OH NO! NOT ROBERT!!!

 

Good thing I checked back, I didn’t know the thread was open. No time to read atm, but

 

VOTE RHIZO

Looks like I called Rafay's role correctly. Assuming that Rhizo didn't lie to us about targeting Rafay at night it appears that Rafay's bulletproof modifier did indeed stop a kill. And wow only 1 night kill and we didn't lose our supposed reloader or 1-shot vig!

Fwiw I investigated Sister Midnight last night and found her to be Not Guilty. Once again, this does not mean that she isn't a werewolf, only that she isn't mafia. Rhizo is most likely our last mafia and should be today's lynch. Let's please not end the day early though. Let's use the time we have to figure this all out. Did any of our other known roles visit find anything out?

And let me tell you I REALLY enjoy a thorough investigation!

 

My guess is the second NK was blocked.

Well believe I got roleblocked for a second time.  O wells, I'm out.  

I was so ecstatic from my night visit from TW that I didn’t see this.

 

 

 

 

 

So did Werewolf not kill or did Rhizo not kill?

 

What happened here?

 

 

 

I'm wondering that too, and assuming that both Rhizo and ww attempted kills they either targeted the same person or one was blocked/failed

 

 

 

 

 

So uh... are there roles that would make someone appear guilty as an SK?

 

 

​Wrong Place at the Wrong Time (Universal Miller) will do it. Which is what I roleclaimed so you should ​get a guilty result on me. If TW investigates he would get a guilty result too which would farther verify my claim. 

You did investigate me, right?

 

 

 

Also this ^

If Canik was found guilty as SK last night then he's pretty much confirmed

 

 

 

Alright, well I'll confirm he came up as guilty.

Are you saying LS came up guilty?

 

 

So did Werewolf not kill or did Rhizo not kill?

 

What happened here?

 

I'm wondering that too, and assuming that both Rhizo and ww attempted kills they either targeted the same person or one was blocked/failed

 

 

 

So uh... are there roles that would make someone appear guilty as an SK?

​Wrong Place at the Wrong Time (Universal Miller) will do it. Which is what I roleclaimed so you should ​get a guilty result on me. If TW investigates he would get a guilty result too which would farther verify my claim. 

 

You did investigate me, right?

 

 

Also this ^

If Canik was found guilty as SK last night then he's pretty much confirmed

 

 

Alright, well I'll confirm he came up as guilty.

This basically confirms Canik as a Universal Miller without me having to investigate him as well.

 

There are only two other options that I see listed that would cause Canik to investigate as guilty to an FBI Agent:

1) He is a serial killer. This is highly unlikely.

2) He is a Watchlisted Townie which would cause him to investigate as a serial killer.

 

The second option is also highly unlikely since Canik has already role claimed as a Miller and would have just role claimed as a watchlisted townie if that was actually his role.

 

We've yet to hear from Yehom, Brewers, or ABT today. Do you guys have any thoughts on Robert being targeted?

 

@ABT - Did you use your action last night on anyone?

should've reloaded me, now we wasting a lynch on rhizo when I could've sniped him last night

 

 

We've yet to hear from Yehom, Brewers, or ABT today. Do you guys have any thoughts on Robert being targeted?

 

 

sorry ive been dealing with some medical stuff recently so I have not been around much.  i honestly forgot we had a game going lol  so at the moment I have no thoughts until I find some time to read up, probably tomorrow 

should've reloaded me, now we wasting a lynch on rhizo when I could've sniped him last night

Better safe than sorry I suppose but I don't necessarily disagree with you. As long as we actually use the day to push for more information and don't just end it early by hammering Rhizo it's not all bad. Luckily Rhizo was unable to kill his target last night so we are in a good position today with 9 assumed townies, 2 assumed werewolves, and 1 known mafia.

 

 

We've yet to hear from Yehom, Brewers, or ABT today. Do you guys have any thoughts on Robert being targeted?

 

 

sorry ive been dealing with some medical stuff recently so I have not been around much.  i honestly forgot we had a game going lol  so at the moment I have no thoughts until I find some time to read up, probably tomorrow 

I hope all is well.

I just read through the Greater Ideas Mafia roles list again and two roles in particular stood out to me:

• Werewolf Roleblocker
• Werewolf One-shot Bulletproof

If there are two werewolves left I'm wondering if they could have these two roles. A one-shot bulletproof werewolf could account for one of the "blocked" kills on night 3 or for Rhizo's blocked kill last night. I don't think that it would be unreasonable for the werewolf faction to have such a modifier in this game because of the multiple killing factions and the fact that there is already precedent in this game for this type of modifier for a scum faction (See: Rafay's 2-shot bulletproof SK).

 

Is it possible that a werewolf Roleblocker could have stopped a kill as well? @Kevin - Would a Roleblocker be able to prevent a faction kill? If the answer is yes than this could also be an explanation of a blocked kill last night or on night 3 as well. It would also make sense for a werewolf Roleblocker to target Rhizo if his power could block a kill to prevent him from potentially killing one of them. In my experience Roleblockers usually don't block a regular faction kill but Kevin might interpret that differently so it's worth asking the question.

 

In any case I think it's a reasonably safe bet that the remaining werewolves have roles and aren't just werewolf goons. The two mafia members who have died so far have both had roles so it would be surprising if the werewolves didn't as well in my opinion.

I just am curious why the hell werewolves went after Robert lol.  Already knew his role, wasn't going to be used again most likely.  You got a reloader you still could be worried about, a unknown roleblocker unless the roleblocker is werewolves, and could of killed Jazzy last night to prevent her from verifying Canik.  Robert wasn't even the most active player currently playing.  Always could be Jazzy is a werewolf fbi agent and wanted to keep canik alive to gain more town points by verifying a town.

Also, Samus came up town to TW right?  Wouldn't a werewolf not be revealed to TW, only a scum faction member?

Yeah I think everyone has had power roles so far (even if they're crappy ones) so I'm sure the remaining werewolves have roles. Probably decent ones too. 

​And 1-shot bulletproof makes the most sense. If werewolf roleblocked used it on Rhizo when Rhizo likely would've killed a town.. that'd be stupid.

I just am curious why the hell werewolves went after Robert lol.  Already knew his role, wasn't going to be used again most likely.  You got a reloader you still could be worried about, a unknown roleblocker unless the roleblocker is werewolves, and could of killed Jazzy last night to prevent her from verifying Canik.  Robert wasn't even the most active player currently playing.  Always could be Jazzy is a werewolf fbi agent and wanted to keep canik alive to gain more town points by verifying a town.

Also, Samus came up town to TW right?  Wouldn't a werewolf not be revealed to TW, only a scum faction member?

 

It was a safe kill but yeah, I would've gone for either TW, AbT or a random unknown. Wouldn't have gone for Jazzy in fear of a doctor protecting her.

I went after AbT FYI, so not possible there was any bulletproof that happened.  I got "no result" as well on my tracker ability, the same thing I got N2.  The other times I got who they visited, or they didn't visit anyone, thus getting a no result leads me to believe I was in fact blocked, both from tracking and my kill.  

I just am curious why the hell werewolves went after Robert lol.  Already knew his role, wasn't going to be used again most likely.  You got a reloader you still could be worried about, a unknown roleblocker unless the roleblocker is werewolves, and could of killed Jazzy last night to prevent her from verifying Canik.  Robert wasn't even the most active player currently playing.  Always could be Jazzy is a werewolf fbi agent and wanted to keep canik alive to gain more town points by verifying a town.

 

Also, Samus came up town to TW right?  Wouldn't a werewolf not be revealed to TW, only a scum faction member?

It doesn't make sense to me why they would go after Robert either unless they were just trying to avoid town power roles by picking someone who wasn't likely to be visited.

 

My investigation of Samus returned a "Not Guilty" result. The only possibilities are that he is town or a werewolf. And unless Samus was a 1-shot PGO who was visited on night 1 and therefore used up his "1-shot" he cannot be a PGO because I would have died while investigating him on night 2.

 

I went after AbT FYI, so not possible there was any bulletproof that happened.  I got "no result" as well on my tracker ability, the same thing I got N2.  The other times I got who they visited, or they didn't visit anyone, thus getting a no result leads me to believe I was in fact blocked, both from tracking and my kill.  

Did you target ABT with your tracking ability and your kill last night?

 

The fact that you received a "No Result" return from your tracking ability means that you were definitely Roleblocked. From the mafia wiki:

The Tracker is an informative role that can target a player at Night and learn who, if anybody, that player targeted the same night (but not the action the player performed). If that player did not target anyone, the Tracker receives a result of "did not target anyone" or similar.

 

If a Tracker is somehow blocked from their action (by Roleblocker, Jailkeeper, Rolestopper, Ascetic, or Commuter), they should receive a "No Result" pm, rather than a "did not see anything" pm.

 

My assumption is that it was a werewolf Roleblocker. The werewolf faction would want to prevent Rhizo, a known tracker, (mafia or otherwise) from performing his night action and potentially exposing them before he is lynched today.

My general thoughts on Robert:

 

- He could be killed due to him being a confirmed town and also a safe pick at the same time (due to his role he wouldn't be protected by doctor).

- Werewolves think (which is probably true) town does not have any investigative roles that can discover them (seer is dead), so incentive for hunting players with unknown roles is low. Especially if they have ninja (possible role). In this case our hypothetical watcher/tracker wont find them.

 

I asked some time ago about roleblocking preventing kills and Kevinh confirmed. With that knowledge, my thoughts on Rhizo:

 

- Damn you Rhizo...I'm to young to die!

- If we have town roleblocker Rhizo was an obvious choice for him.

- If there's a werewolf roleblocker, blocking Rhizo would only make sense if there was a high chance of him targeting one of their own. That could be:

          Suspecting Samus would kill him at night, he could at least take revenge.

          Suspecting Rhizo would target one of the unknown players and at the same time assuming we have both werewolves among them.

- It's also possible that werewolves were simply not happy about the chance of getting killed or, as TW mentioned, tracked at night, no matter the odds.

 

All in all we don't know who blocked him, but at least we can be sure there's a roleblocker around. Also the fact that Rhizo didn't target TW may confirm that indeed there are no more mafia players.

And for the record I didn't reload anyone at night.

 

Knowing who to lynch today we still may think who should we lynch tomorrow (we should do sort of a prelynch)

 

Rhizoctonia (today's lynch)

 

Canik : confirmed town

Ali bin Turban: confirmed town

Brewersalliance: sort of confirmed

--- those below I find helpful to the town for now ---

The Warrior:

Samus:

LordSunday:

Jazzy95 (though only for his confirming Canik).

 

--- those below I find not helpful to the town ---

Lachiton: 

Sister Midnight:

Kitkat:

Yehom:

 

My personal choice would be to lynch Yehom tomorrow. 

I guess I could see werewolves not wanting to allow the possibility of Rhizo killing/tracking them. Not the call I would've made but I can see it.

 

--- those below I find not helpful to the town --- Lachiton: Sister Midnight: Kitkat: Yehom: My personal choice would be to lynch Yehom tomorrow.

I agree. With Yehom & Lachiton being my 1st choices. But they're all close.
 

And for the record I didn't reload anyone at night.

 

Knowing who to lynch today we still may think who should we lynch tomorrow (we should do sort of a prelynch)

 

Rhizoctonia (today's lynch)

 

Canik : confirmed town

Ali bin Turban: confirmed town

Brewersalliance: sort of confirmed

--- those below I find helpful to the town for now ---

The Warrior:

Samus:

LordSunday:

Jazzy95 (though only for his confirming Canik).

 

--- those below I find not helpful to the town ---

Lachiton: 

Sister Midnight:

Kitkat:

Yehom:

 

My personal choice would be to lynch Yehom tomorrow. 

I generally agree with your list. One exception would be Sister Midnight. I believe that she is more likely to be town so I would move her out of the bottom category.

 

One other possible exception is LordSunday. I am neutral on him currently and want to see more from him.

 

I think that taking a harder look at Yehom, KitKat, or Lachiton tomorrow would be beneficial for the town, barring some new information coming to light.

Psh. Samus and LS are "helpful" to the town and I'm not? Samus is freaking weird in this game and I can't see what LS is doing more than I. There isn't a vast amount to go on, here. I *DO* contribute where I can. And why exactly is SM on your list of useful people, TW?

 

I just am curious why the hell werewolves went after Robert lol.  Already knew his role, wasn't going to be used again most likely.  You got a reloader you still could be worried about, a unknown roleblocker unless the roleblocker is werewolves, and could of killed Jazzy last night to prevent her from verifying Canik.  Robert wasn't even the most active player currently playing.  Always could be Jazzy is a werewolf fbi agent and wanted to keep canik alive to gain more town points by verifying a town.

 

Also, Samus came up town to TW right?  Wouldn't a werewolf not be revealed to TW, only a scum faction member?

It doesn't make sense to me why they would go after Robert either unless they were just trying to avoid town power roles by picking someone who wasn't likely to be visited.

 

My investigation of Samus returned a "Not Guilty" result. The only possibilities are that he is town or a werewolf. And unless Samus was a 1-shot PGO who was visited on night 1 and therefore used up his "1-shot" he cannot be a PGO because I would have died while investigating him on night 2.

 

I went after AbT FYI, so not possible there was any bulletproof that happened.  I got "no result" as well on my tracker ability, the same thing I got N2.  The other times I got who they visited, or they didn't visit anyone, thus getting a no result leads me to believe I was in fact blocked, both from tracking and my kill.  

Did you target ABT with your tracking ability and your kill last night?

 

The fact that you received a "No Result" return from your tracking ability means that you were definitely Roleblocked. From the mafia wiki:

The Tracker is an informative role that can target a player at Night and learn who, if anybody, that player targeted the same night (but not the action the player performed). If that player did not target anyone, the Tracker receives a result of "did not target anyone" or similar.

 

If a Tracker is somehow blocked from their action (by Roleblocker, Jailkeeper, Rolestopper, Ascetic, or Commuter), they should receive a "No Result" pm, rather than a "did not see anything" pm.

 

My assumption is that it was a werewolf Roleblocker. The werewolf faction would want to prevent Rhizo, a known tracker, (mafia or otherwise) from performing his night action and potentially exposing them before he is lynched today.

 

 

 

No, i  tracked Lach because he's been mostly quiet except from early on, hasn't RC'd and was curious if i could catch a werewolf in action, and my target to be killed was AbT.  It was nothing personal to AbT, I just felt removing him removed a very skilled player, and having a few already verified townies, wanted to help even it up for both sides.  

 

It's been a boring game for me, blocked twice on my tracking, tracked Imran to a person killed but was lynched without my help, Canik who didn't do anything, and 2 stopped night kills. Damn you'll, let me have at least some fun before I die!

Psh. Samus and LS are "helpful" to the town and I'm not? Samus is freaking weird in this game and I can't see what LS is doing more than I. There isn't a vast amount to go on, here. I *DO* contribute where I can. And why exactly is SM on your list of useful people, TW?

You'll notice that I never actually said that I was putting SM on a list titled "useful people to the town". I just said that I personally would move her out of the bottom category. I'd probably put her in a group titled "most likely a townie".

 

Psh. Samus and LS are "helpful" to the town and I'm not? Samus is freaking weird in this game and I can't see what LS is doing more than I. There isn't a vast amount to go on, here. I *DO* contribute where I can. And why exactly is SM on your list of useful people, TW?

You'll notice that I never actually said that I was putting SM on a list titled "useful people to the town". I just said that I personally would move her out of the bottom category. I'd probably put her in a group titled "most likely a townie".

 

 

Pedantry. I'm not particularly more suspicious than SM. Anyway, if anything Samus would be my #1 kill option for tomorrow, given his erratic play. 

 

And for the record I didn't reload anyone at night.

 

Knowing who to lynch today we still may think who should we lynch tomorrow (we should do sort of a prelynch)

 

Rhizoctonia (today's lynch)

 

Canik : confirmed town

Ali bin Turban: confirmed town

Brewersalliance: sort of confirmed

--- those below I find helpful to the town for now ---

The Warrior:

Samus:

LordSunday:

Jazzy95 (though only for his confirming Canik).

 

--- those below I find not helpful to the town ---

Lachiton: 

Sister Midnight:

Kitkat:

Yehom:

 

My personal choice would be to lynch Yehom tomorrow. 

I generally agree with your list. One exception would be Sister Midnight. I believe that she is more likely to be town so I would move her out of the bottom category.

 

One other possible exception is LordSunday. I am neutral on him currently and want to see more from him.

 

I think that taking a harder look at Yehom, KitKat, or Lachiton tomorrow would be beneficial for the town, barring some new information coming to light.

 

 

I apologize for being a little more sporadic I had the first round of exams recently 

 

The presence of a roleblocker makes sense with why there was only one kill last night. The question though is it a town or ww roleblocker who did it?

 

I also think that this list is accurate and those near the bottom should be sharing some of their thoughts and contributing more

Psh. Samus and LS are "helpful" to the town and I'm not? Samus is freaking weird in this game and I can't see what LS is doing more than I. There isn't a vast amount to go on, here. I *DO* contribute where I can. And why exactly is SM on your list of useful people, TW?

scum you sound mad