My other concern is that IF Lach is lying, this could be a ploy to get the alleged cupid/nympho to claim and get two townies for the price of 1 scum. Beyond that, lynching MK first? Why, so you can get another potential townie down for the price of 1 scum head, or because if MK is scum, you know he's getting lynched. So, if you are on a scum wagon, if doesn't seem far fetched to get townie points and claim something altered your investigation.

There hasn't been a cop to counter-claim, and there hasn't been one killed to my knowledge. I highly doubt we'd have a game without a cop. I'm inclined to believe you solely because of this, but I wanted my suspicions noted above.

I don't agree MK should be lynched over AbT. If we are sure we found scum, we need to lynch them. Not play a waiting game and potentially lynch another townie. Plus it gives TW more time to find a replacement if MK wants to throw the game. 

Just be aware, if AbT is scum, has been hit with a nympho, and is attached to a townie, we would be losing a townie tonight. But if AbT is scum, it is a lost I'm willing to take. Nympho is essentially a VT at this point.

As Rhizo stated, we'd have to take that hit on the attached townie dying anyhow.

 

 

My other concern is that IF Lach is lying, this could be a ploy to get the alleged cupid/nympho to claim and get two townies for the price of 1 scum. Beyond that, lynching MK first? Why, so you can get another potential townie down for the price of 1 scum head, or because if MK is scum, you know he's getting lynched. So, if you are on a scum wagon, if doesn't seem far fetched to get townie points and claim something altered your investigation.

 

 

that was my concern.  and if lach is lying and we do indeed lynch MK today, lachiton wont die for at least another two days, and by that point it would be only 6 town left and 3 scum left.  I think this is a potential scenario where scum lying (even though it would be obvious they are scum and would for sure die) would still make sense.  Plus lachiton has waited so long to reveal it.  Its almost certain that MK will be lynched, and there is barely enough time to discuss this.  plus he is not actually sharing any additional info.  add that to lachiton saying MK should still be the lynch today, even tho he claims to have found scum is just a red flag to me.    Plus Lachiton has said multiple times he does think MK is the more likely the Jester, so why would he rather lynch a Jester over confirmed scum?  it just feels like one giant red flag and the more and more I think about it, the harder it is becoming to believe it.  

lachiton needs to come out with a FULL role call and all the details of every single night.  there is no reason for him to keep waiting, unless of course he is scum

we are way to close to the deadline 

unvote

Unvote mk

Vote lachiton he just claimed my role just confirmed for me he is scum.

Okay, now we have a counterclaim to cop.  We need both Atliis and Lachiton to full role claim.  Character name, actual roles, and what they did every single night

Is it possible for town to have two cops?  that seems very unlikely, and a bit OP

I am claiming You are Blastoise, a town Skullbash-er (Cop).

I am claiming You are Blastoise, a town Skullbash-er (Cop).

Well, it's believable since he has been mentioning a claim throughout the game without claiming.

 

Didn't occur to me, Lach's claim would not only force the nympho or cupid to come out, but the cop as well. Plus getting rid of MK? Scum would practically have the path to victory set.

 

Unvote

 

With how close it is to deadline, it seems good for a fake claim now as it is hard to react and get a response from everyone.

 

I'd love to hear from Lach and still AbT on this matter, but if we're forced to make a decision without all the answers, town needs a clear response on who we lynch, otherwise we end the day with split votes everywhere and no one getting lynched

Lahciton has been lurking for quite some time without actually posting anything. I've seen his name at the bottom on and off for around the past three hours

You guys just jumped on conclusions for no reason. Did I at any point of time claim I am traditional cop? I said I found AbT guilty. What I meant is that I posted cop power, but 1 shot. What was so urgent that you couldn't wait for AbT to post at least? IF he didnt post in another couple of hours I would have revealed all that I know. I just asked for a bit of time. 

 

I hoped the cop was smart enough to not counter claim. So either atlis is actual cop or he is scum who knows AbT is miller. And @atlis if you were the cop how did you know Rafay was not jailor? Did you find a guilty investigation on him? If so then MK is totally lying. 

There's one more reason I felt MK is lying, apart from his contradictory posts. He claimed JOAT, with tracker, cop and bulletproof. If he is not lying, that means two JOATs.

I am Ditto, a town Transform-er (Jack-of-All-Trades). I have 1 shot cop, doctor and roleblocker.

Heres the summary of each night.

N1 - Did nothing.

N2 - Investigated AbT, found him guilty.

N3 - Used my doctor shot to protect brewers. If scum targeted brewers, I might have stopped the kill. That is why I was saying brewers feels town to me.

 

I didnt go after AbT on D3 because it looked like Rafay was certain scum. I still urged miller to claim and hoped if AbT is town, he will take the hint and claim. I cant understand why he didnt claim right away as he had already put himself in the line of suspicion. I did take some risk by not coming forward as I could have been night killed, but thought my doctor powers were needed at night, so I withheld.

This day I tried to get more out of AbT but MK was hogging the limelight. And in addition he claimed JOAT and with his nonsensical stories around how he used his power, I was more or less certain that he is scum or jester. But this time with all the talk about how I am seen as more townish, I decided to come forth with the reveal as I might not survive the night and cant share the info.

@Atliis - who have you investigated? and what results did you get?

 

 

Lahciton has been lurking for quite some time without actually posting anything. I've seen his name at the bottom on and off for around the past three hours

I was waiting for AbT to post, so I was lurking. But with this unnecessary cop counter claim, even when I never actually claimed cop, I had to reveal everything before I could analyze AbT's defense. This is a important lesson to everyone, if someone has not fully claim, you dont counterclaim, no matter whoever tries to push for it. There are other roles too with cop power, more so when I said I will full claim. I dont understand the rush to try to prove me wrong, when the accused had yet to mount his defense.

 

 

You guys just jumped on conclusions for no reason. Did I at any point of time claim I am traditional cop? I said I found AbT guilty. What I meant is that I posted cop power, but 1 shot. What was so urgent that you couldn't wait for AbT to post at least? IF he didnt post in another couple of hours I would have revealed all that I know. I just asked for a bit of time.    I hoped the cop was smart enough to not counter claim. So either atlis is actual cop or he is scum who knows AbT is miller. And @atlis if you were the cop how did you know Rafay was not jailor? Did you find a guilty investigation on him? If so then MK is totally lying. 

 

you refusing to comment anything is exactly why this happened, which if you are scum could have been exactly what you are going for

I am claiming You are Blastoise, a town Skullbash-er (Cop).

 

 

Well now the cat's out of the bag of 2 roles.  At least tell us your night investigations because you're about to be lynched

killed, not lynched*

It's pretty convenient for you to ignore multiple requests for information only then to give the information AFTER it's already drawn out the cop and then you claim jack of all trades, thus safely avoiding the cops counter claim. The timing of your actions put us in a bind which in turn you then refused to make any information know, which lead to the actual cop coming out and making a claim. Those are a hell of a lot of red flags .

 

Plus it's the last day so all you have to do is make it a few hours of ABT not logging in and he can't even offer a defense.

 

You guys just jumped on conclusions for no reason. Did I at any point of time claim I am traditional cop? I said I found AbT guilty. What I meant is that I posted cop power, but 1 shot. What was so urgent that you couldn't wait for AbT to post at least? IF he didnt post in another couple of hours I would have revealed all that I know. I just asked for a bit of time.    I hoped the cop was smart enough to not counter claim. So either atlis is actual cop or he is scum who knows AbT is miller. And @atlis if you were the cop how did you know Rafay was not jailor? Did you find a guilty investigation on him? If so then MK is totally lying. 

 

you refusing to comment anything is exactly why this happened, which if you are scum could have been exactly what you are going for

 

When did I say I refuse to comment? I said I want to wait for AbT to reply. If he doesn't I will reveal all that I know. Do you really think I will play this game out of no where if I was scum? I was by all accounts considered town at this point by most. 

Squirtle is a water type Pokémon. It evolves into Wartortle starting at level 16, which evolves into Blastoise starting at level 36. After birth, its back swells and hardens into a shell. Powerfully sprays foam from its mouth.

 

 

Vote Count

 

Lord MK (3): Darkfox, Canik v.2, KevinH

Lachiton (1): Atliis

Brewersalliance (1): Lord MK

Ali bin Turban (0):

Atliis (0): 

Canik v.2 (Samus) (0):

Colonel Medved (0):

Darkfox (0):

Jazzy95 (0):

KevinH (0):

Kitkat16 (0):

Mandarijn (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

SeaBeeGipson (0):

Yehom (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

 

Not Voting: Ali bin Turban, Brewersalliance, Colonel Medved, Jazzy95, Kitkat16, Lachiton, Mandarijn, Rafay, Rhizoctonia, SeaBeeGipson, Yehom

 

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch or 4 at deadline.

Deadline is 1:00pm CST on Thursday, May 24th.

 

Currently in danger of mod-kill: Jazzy95 (2 posts today, 12 overall)

 

You guys just jumped on conclusions for no reason. Did I at any point of time claim I am traditional cop? I said I found AbT guilty. What I meant is that I posted cop power, but 1 shot. What was so urgent that you couldn't wait for AbT to post at least? IF he didnt post in another couple of hours I would have revealed all that I know. I just asked for a bit of time.    I hoped the cop was smart enough to not counter claim. So either atlis is actual cop or he is scum who knows AbT is miller. And @atlis if you were the cop how did you know Rafay was not jailor? Did you find a guilty investigation on him? If so then MK is totally lying. 

 

you refusing to comment anything is exactly why this happened, which if you are scum could have been exactly what you are going for

 

This. When you claim, might as well come out with everything at once. Telling everyone your role + your night investigation results would have no impact on AbT's response, and might've prevented the original cop from claiming. 

 

I swear someone else claimed JoAT this game though. This definitely adds some excitement. 

 

My opinions?

 

Atliis is telling the truth in my opinion. He has been hinting to having a role all game and randomly came out with being a cop. As this is his first game, I don't imagine he understands the power the cop has, nor does he understand role claiming is bad. (Not everyone has roles, and this puts a target on your back.)

 

Lach's claim (see below for MK's claim)

 

Lachiton claims a JoAT. I don't see TW putting two separate roles on the same faction (town) with multiple X-shots. One of them is lying and with MK's holes in a majority of his stories, I'm inclined to believe Lach on him being a JoAT. However, a JoAT could still be a scum role. They claim different abilities (bulletproof vs bodyguard, etc) so not an exact same role claim, but I just can't picture two JoAT's being on the town.

 

MK - Alot of focus on him, ragequitting because his holes in his story got highlighted. Isn't keeping his own story straight. Unless we have Rafay 2.0 here (lying about roles, putting holes into stories and barely defending it), we have a scum or jester.

 

 

MK can confirm that we discussed months ago via PM how much it sucked that people constantly lynched him for out-of-game reasons. I'm not pulling this stuff out of my arse.

I can confirm this.

 

Well, if you are so interested in my RC, i don't have a true role.

It's just a mix of various X-Shots.

Day 1, i tracked Rafay, who is by default the number one choice for me.

That paid off as he visited Kevin. And seeing that Kevin didn't die.

I thought that rafay must have been roleblocked.

So I had a cop report done on Rafay, which confirmed that he was town.

I also have a 1-shot bulletproof ability, so that's why I said no one can touch me tonight.

Happy?

And thank you for spoiling the purpose of my remaining role. I was trying to lure any scum into targeting me in order to make them lose one more Night kill.

But that ain't happening now.

 

AbT - has yet to respond. With how slow the game has been, I don't imagine he is checking it every 5 minutes, so might not have seen this yet. Assuming Lach isn't lying, we have a scum according to investigation. Allegedly attached to a someone, so killing him would kill someone else. I just don't see Lach fake claiming without any heat on himself or anyone but MK. And to still want to lynch the target at hand? I don't believe Lach is lying.

 

Vote: AbT

We're close to deadline and may not get a response. It's a risk in case he is town, we lose 2 townies, but it'll happen sooner or later. He either gets lynched for being scum, or killed by mafia near the end to secure the win (2 for 1).

TRIPLE POST REMOVED

 

DOUBLE POSTED THE SAME THING ABOVE. EDITED TO REMOVE THE DOUBLE POST, NOTHING MORE / EDITED SECOND TIME, IT TRIPLE POSTED THE SAME DAMN THING. WTF

Edited May 23, 20188 yr by SeaBeeGipson

Notice thewarrior said nothing of ditto? Clearly ditto is a fabricated claim.

Lach made an intentionally ambiguous claim so he could lure out a counter claim. This is smart on his side. If you guys cannot see through him you are not smart. I have read enough of you people telling me I didn't need to claim. I claimed at exactly the right time to root out the scum. Town doesn't know someone is guilty and sit on that info for two weeks.

Lach made an intentionally ambiguous claim so he could lure out a counter claim. This is smart on his side. If you guys cannot see through him you are not smart. I have read enough of you people telling me I didn't need to claim. I claimed at exactly the right time to root out the scum. Town doesn't know someone is guilty and sit on that info for two weeks.

Would you mind giving us the results of all your investigations (night actions)?

If i had to choose between someone I think is likely scum by his actions, or a cop finding one, I'll take a cop's investigation.  Again, the only excuse I can really fathom for AbT that makes sense is claiming he was framed.  If he comes back saying he's a Miller or Wrong Place at Wrong Time, tbh this should of been said first thing, not after someone catches you.  Hard for me to believe such a role now.  

The only thing I will say, is if there's a framer, AbT was likely a top candidate to use it on N2 by scum.  AbT was the talk of a lot of discussion on D2 with his claim of being lovers and the whole cupid debacle, so if I was scum, he certainly would be a top suspect to use a framer role on.  

 

It really comes down to do I believe scum has a framer role, and if they do, was it used on AbT that night.  I actually believe Lach, but I don't think it was wise to wait so long to reveal his findings on AbT so he could be thoroughly vetted and questioned.  Lach asking about millers/Wrong Place at Wrong Time to come forward makes a lot of sense to me, and makes me believe his claim more.  I also don't believe MK's JOAT claim, haven't since he made it and don't believe any person who has played this game for awhile now would let Rafay be mislynched without saying a word.  So either MK is also a scum, or MK is pulling a Rafay, or there's two Joats (doubt it).  I am going with scum, but still take a confirmed over a more then likely.

Vote: AbT

For time being at least.  Maybe some pressure will get him to post

I'm not revealing this information especially considering lach is now claiming to be jack of all trades and not invest convenient. I know.

I'm not revealing this information especially considering lach is now claiming to be jack of all trades and not invest convenient. I know.

 

 

Uhh what?  Why wouldn't you reveal your night actions when you're likely to be killed tonight and we won't know.  You could in fact verify town people.  

 

I'm at a complete loss with how people are playing this game

Lach made an intentionally ambiguous claim so he could lure out a counter claim. This is smart on his side. If you guys cannot see through him you are not smart. I have read enough of you people telling me I didn't need to claim. I claimed at exactly the right time to root out the scum. Town doesn't know someone is guilty and sit on that info for two weeks.

Oh really? You're not that newbie as you're making it seem to everybody. If you had doubts about my claim, you could have poked at me. Instead you went full on role claiming, without giving me the chance to fully claim. Yes I didnt reveal the info last day because I wanted to use my doctor power with what happened that day.

 

You're also in the line of suspicion for counter claiming out of nowhere. Since you claimed cop it is wise to share the info.

I'm not revealing this information especially considering lach is now claiming to be jack of all trades and not invest convenient. I know.

You already told everyone you are  a cop and that is all scum care about. TOWN needs to know your results so we can figure out who IS town and who ISN"T based on what you tell us. Withholding that hurts town.

 

I don't understand what you are attempting here? It is VERY possible to have a JOAT and a cop in the same game

atliis you should probably tell us all of your investigation results because since you are cop, and scum now knows you are the cop, it will not hurt for you to publish who you investigated.  this will give us a list of confirmed townies, which could make the game easier for town to win