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[Lachiton]

Well we don't know that Cupid is a scum role for this game. It could be a town role as well. So it's just super risky to announce it like that. My gut tells me abt is scum trying to get a shield over himself from the town and there is a scum Cupid role but they didn't target anyone n1 so his claim is safe for now
I could be wrong but that's just what I'm feeling right now

Yes that's the thing I am afraid about, that cupid is town.
I am struggling to make up my mind about him. Let's assume AbT is scum. Why do you think it was such a great move to make to announce that cupid targeted him? Wouldn't it make more sense if he keeps quiet about it and if he is caught by cop or tracker and up for lynch, he can get them lynched along with him?

Maybe I misread what you said but if he was lying and is scum, why would his lynch mean the cop or tracker dies with him??

I was thinking that whoever targets him become lovers, so cop or tracker becomes lover with him. But now I think about it, I guess it has to be the same night when cupid targets, so that possibility won't arise probably. Blame my fuzzy knowledge on cupid

So now I think about it, it's either a very dumb move from town, or a clever ploy from scum, right now leaning towards scum.

FoS AbT

Interested to hear his defense.

[Rhizoctonia]

 

 

Well we don't know that Cupid is a scum role for this game. It could be a town role as well. So it's just super risky to announce it like that. My gut tells me abt is scum trying to get a shield over himself from the town and there is a scum Cupid role but they didn't target anyone n1 so his claim is safe for now
I could be wrong but that's just what I'm feeling right now

Yes that's the thing I am afraid about, that cupid is town.
I am struggling to make up my mind about him. Let's assume AbT is scum. Why do you think it was such a great move to make to announce that cupid targeted him? Wouldn't it make more sense if he keeps quiet about it and if he is caught by cop or tracker and up for lynch, he can get them lynched along with him?

Maybe I misread what you said but if he was lying and is scum, why would his lynch mean the cop or tracker dies with him??
Let's say he is scum. In my mind this is why he does it. The cop and tracker will no longer want to target him because now they woild be at risk of dying if abt dies so he has a shield from being discovered as scum. And then also town isn't going to kill him for risk of killing multiple town with him. So as scum that's why I can see abt making that claim

 

 

 

I think what he's saying is if a cop or tracker use their ability on them, and then come out the next day with their information he's scum and he's lynched, they will die as well.  Since whoever visits ABT become lovers, thus when one dies, the other dies.  I'm not sure if it's only for the same night, or if anyone visits him all game they become lovers.  

TW can you answer?  Is the role only for people who targeted ABT the same night Cupid used his ability on him, or all game?  Don't see an answer online



 

[Rhizoctonia]

@mandarijn
My pokemon appears in Kanto and Jonto regions; and is a Generation I pokemon.
With that, we could be based off the Kanto (FireRed/LeafGreen Games)


As for the no kill, I don't see why we need a PR roleclaiming so early. I'd be willing to think it was a bulletproof as my mind is going that way.
It does make me think as well we have 1 scum faction. (a sole Team Rocket setup, not a Team Magma/Aqua, etc setup I mentioned earlier.) It still is too earlier to sign off on their being a SK though. 

 

 

 

I am from grasslands, Gen 1 as well.  Don't know much about Pokemon, but from wiki of grasslands, 

This is a list of Pokémon according to their habitats, from Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen

It seems you might be correct with the pokemon firered/leafgreen thought

[Yehom]

 

 

1) you are town and don't want other townies to target you at night so even if you're killed, there's no other townie deaths.

This doesn't make sense though, unless he deliberately announced it so that townie PR's keep dedicating their power to Ali so they keep alive 2 townies at once.

That is way too risky of a claim to make this early Tho. The negatives of doing that dwarf the positives. Announcing to everyone that if u die, multiple townies die with you is screaming hey scum come kill me. Sure now if there are TP roles they might get on ABT, but there could have been a much more subtle and tactful way to do so that wouldn't paint such a huge target on your back for scum. Maybe it was just a dumb mistake but it's hard to see it like that.

True, which is why I'm jumped on Ali in the first place, because it's a scummy thing to do. This was only a comment on Lachiton's earlier comment on a possible justification of Ali throwing this out. I agree with you that even if Ali had to put this information out, he should have never done it so early on in the game

[Ali bin Turban]

Dull days are over . I like this discussion, but I won't respond just yet. I'll wait for more players to talk and show their intentions and most of all, on TW to shed more light on cupid mechanics.

[The Warrior]

 

@TW

1. Is the cupid role taken from the Greater Idea Mafia?

2. About night actions resolution. Mafia sends a cupid to visit me and also let's assume they try to kill me on the same night. Would everyone that visited me that night be killed (except for cupid), including the mafia guy delivering the kill?

3. Could cupid visit someone and at the same time deliver a kill?

I will neither confirm nor deny the existence of any role in this game, but my general interpretation of the cupid role would be the same as that of the role in the "Greater Idea" game.

 

My scum philosophy is that a scum player would be able to use a kill and use any role they might have on the same night.

[Rhizoctonia]

 

 

@TW

1. Is the cupid role taken from the Greater Idea Mafia?

2. About night actions resolution. Mafia sends a cupid to visit me and also let's assume they try to kill me on the same night. Would everyone that visited me that night be killed (except for cupid), including the mafia guy delivering the kill?

3. Could cupid visit someone and at the same time deliver a kill?

I will neither confirm nor deny the existence of any role in this game, but my general interpretation of the cupid role would be the same as that of the role in the "Greater Idea" game.

 

My scum philosophy is that a scum player would be able to use a kill and use any role they might have on the same night.

 

 

 

What about my question, if in fact the role existed?  Would only people visiting the cupid target that night become lovers, or is it all game long?

[DarkFox]

 

Mmm no one died, is it because they wanted to freak us out or because they got kill blocked? 

"mmm no one died"

 

this is typically how newb scum players talk.

 

i'm sure you're actually really surprised that your team weren't able to kill anyone.

 

vote Darkfox

 

 

If I were the bad guy you would be dead, and you know that haha. 

 

Vote Samus

[KevinH]

From https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Greater_Idea_Mafia/RolePMs#Mafia_Cupid_.2887.29

 

"Cupid: During Night 1, you may PM me the name of another player. Every player that targets this player (except you) will become Lovers with them."

 

Lovers are described at https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Lover

 

My interpretation is that if a Cupid causes Lovers, they are committed to each other the whole game and killing the Cupid has no effect.

[Lachiton]

From https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Greater_Idea_Mafia/RolePMs#Mafia_Cupid_.2887.29

 

"Cupid: During Night 1, you may PM me the name of another player. Every player that targets this player (except you) will become Lovers with them."

 

Lovers are described at https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Lover

 

My interpretation is that if a Cupid causes Lovers, they are committed to each other the whole game and killing the Cupid has no effect.

 

So as per the description, cupid can only target N1? Unless TW modded that role to extend cupid's ability on subsequent nights as well. 
So if we go by Greater Idea Mafia definition, anybody who targets AbT, will become lover with him throughout the game.

I am not sure TW will reveal anything else than he had already said about cupid, so as to not give away the modifications he might have introduced in the roles.

[Canik]

QFTs are definitely not fluff, iirc. Sometimes, in a game you have to watch out for certain encounters. They may not appear much then, but later on, they become useful. So what i did with those two quotes, was to reserve them for later use.

KitKat assumed that jailkeepers are unlimited, which is not so. All modifiers depend on the game and the mod. This may be because of lack of experience. In my opinion, knowledge of stuff needs to be given to those who don't have it. So i shared to him what I knew there. It may not help town, but it sure helps those who didn't know that. So don't give that 'doesn't help town' crap.

  

I agree it's not hard fluff. It's not like you were just joking about being Mayor of Ninok or something.. but it's not like you were giving amazing information that is getting us way closer to finding scum either. What you're posting could be a good way to look active while not really helping that much. I'd call this soft fluff. There's a lot of soft fluff, everyone posts some soft fluff, so it's not a huge scum tell but in the long run if that's all someone did all game.. I'd be rather suspicious of them.

Moving back to your post, "​You know Samus dying N1 is a meme here right? I'm sure you do.. which makes this seem a little forced, just sayin' ​FoS Kevin"

Samus dying N1 is a meme? What the...? Don't tell me that this is a serious comment. It screams fluff all over. Then you try to cast suspicion on Kevin on the back of that. Yeah, you seemed way serious there.

read posts #142-144 on page 8. To sum it up they were joking about Samus surviving n1 so he must be scum. It's a well-known and continuing joke/thing that Samus always dies before D2 aka 'a meme'. Brewers wasn't making a serious arguement he was just kidding. So yeah, I am serious that it seemed slightly off to me how Kevin replied to it as if it were serious. Not saying it's a huge scum tell just a tad suspicious and wanted to note it. Kind of like how you say you wanted to note those two quotes. So how is mine fluff and yours not? 

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"is more than worth it to scum if it throws town off your trail." - How? If i am town, how is it more useful to scum to have the town off my back? They rather have me on the town's gunpoint. If i am scum, maybe this makes some sense. But then, i never try to throw the town of my back. So if I am scum, i am the default suicide scum. So for my playstyle, i never have any use in throwing town off my trail.

I meant if you were scum which as far as I know you might be.
 

[Canik]

So if we go by Greater Idea Mafia definition, anybody who targets AbT, will become lover with him throughout the game.

If that's how it works it's a good thing he told town so they wouldn't target him and makes me think he probably town.
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[Rhizoctonia]

 

So if we go by Greater Idea Mafia definition, anybody who targets AbT, will become lover with him throughout the game.

If that's how it works it's a good thing he told town so they wouldn't target him and makes me think he probably town.
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I have yet to see or been told by admin if the cupid action has a game long effect, or just the night it was used.  If it's just for people who visited ABT the same night, then that's a big difference.  Flip side of this, how does that make him town?  Claiming as he did could be seen as a way to scare off anyone from investigating him, in fear he's telling the truth and become lovers.  Very helpful if he's scum and would be found guilty if investigated...that or a SK.

TBH if it's game long, I'd be more apt to just lynch ABT now if we have no better options as he'd continue to skate by lynches because cops/trackers/etc are too afraid to investigate him.  Basing him solely off a claim he was targeted by cupid is quite risky, especially later in game.  

 

 

 

From https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Greater_Idea_Mafia/RolePMs#Mafia_Cupid_.2887.29

 

"Cupid: During Night 1, you may PM me the name of another player. Every player that targets this player (except you) will become Lovers with them."

 

Lovers are described at https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Lover

 

My interpretation is that if a Cupid causes Lovers, they are committed to each other the whole game and killing the Cupid has no effect.

 

So as per the description, cupid can only target N1? Unless TW modded that role to extend cupid's ability on subsequent nights as well. 
So if we go by Greater Idea Mafia definition, anybody who targets AbT, will become lover with him throughout the game.

I am not sure TW will reveal anything else than he had already said about cupid, so as to not give away the modifications he might have introduced in the roles.

 

 

 

Not sure how to read that.  It says cupid may submit a name N1, not that they have to.  Not sure that doesn't mean they can use it other then N1.  

I also don't see any mention of cupid other then a mafia cupid.  I guess TW could implement a town cupid, but it would be rather stupid for them as a town to use such an ability, unless TW changed the rules that they are forced to target someone.  I'd be more apt to see a nymphomanaic as a town role then cupid, where they're forced to link themselves to another player N1.

[KevinH]

When I modded the last game, I interpreted that only players that targeted the cupid target N1 would become Lovers.

I can see an interpretation that would make it all players throughout the game, and then it would make townie sense to declare (like having a venereal disease).

[Canik]

Flip side of this, how does that make him town? Claiming as he did could be seen as a way to scare off anyone from investigating him, in fear he's telling the truth and become lovers. Very helpful if he's scum and would be found guilty if investigated...that or a SK.

​Occam's razor. The simplest explaination is he did get a msg from TW saying cupid targetted him and thought it best to tell town.

​The other explaination is that he is scum, looked at the roles and realized he could use cupid to avoid investigations and thought it worth it even though it would put attention on him and make him permanently a high lynch prospect. Not much more complex, not many more assumptions, but a bit IMO. 

​So to clarify, I don't think he is confirmed town. I just lean towards him telling the truth and being town. We should still be wary of him and if we have no better prospects soon and towns are dying at night, lynching him would make sense.
 

[Samus]

 

 

Mmm no one died, is it because they wanted to freak us out or because they got kill blocked? 

"mmm no one died"

 

this is typically how newb scum players talk.

 

i'm sure you're actually really surprised that your team weren't able to kill anyone.

 

vote Darkfox

 

 

If I were the bad guy you would be dead, and you know that haha. 

 

Vote Samus

 

How do I know you didn't target me and fail?

 

Remember no one died tonight.

[Kitkat16]

 

 

 

Mmm no one died, is it because they wanted to freak us out or because they got kill blocked? 

"mmm no one died"

 

this is typically how newb scum players talk.

 

i'm sure you're actually really surprised that your team weren't able to kill anyone.

 

vote Darkfox

 

 

If I were the bad guy you would be dead, and you know that haha. 

 

Vote Samus

 

How do I know you didn't target me and fail?

 

Remember no one died tonight.

 

 

 

the man has a point

[brewersalliance]

 

 

 

 

Mmm no one died, is it because they wanted to freak us out or because they got kill blocked? 

"mmm no one died"

 

this is typically how newb scum players talk.

 

i'm sure you're actually really surprised that your team weren't able to kill anyone.

 

vote Darkfox

 

 

If I were the bad guy you would be dead, and you know that haha. 

 

Vote Samus

 

How do I know you didn't target me and fail?

 

Remember no one died tonight.

 

 

 

the man has a point

 

ewwww vote kitkat 

[SeaBeeGipson]

Only the following roles may exist in this game:

Ascetic, Bodyguard, Bulletproof, Commuter, Cop, Cupid, Doctor, Enabler, FBI Agent, Flavor Cop, Follower, Framer, Friendly Neighbor, Godfather, Goon, Gunsmith, Hider, Innocent Child, Jack-of-All-Trades, Jailkeeper, Jester, Mafia Encryptor, Mason, Miller, Motion Detector, Neapolitan, Neighbor, Neighborizer, Ninja, Nurse, Nymphomaniac, Role Cop, Roleblocker, Rolestopper, Serial Killer, Strongman, Super Saint, Tailor, Tracker, Traitor, Universal Backup, Vanilla Cop, Vigilante, Vanilla Townie, Vengeful, Voyeur, Watcher, Watchlisted Townie, Wrong Place at the Wrong Time Townie

 

 

As Rhizo mentioned earlier, we could have a cupid and/or a nymphomaniac in the crowd. Neither are either role specifically labeled as mafia and/or town. It's still early in the game with multiple possibilities.
1) We have a cupid (town or mafia) that targeted AbT and another player.
2) We have a Nymphomaniac (town or mafia) that targeted AbT and attached himself to AbT.
3) The roles specifically stated only being able to be used on N1. Mafia realized this and decided to fake claim early. 

I tend to believe either 1 or 2. AbT is too experienced a player to fake claim this early. Question is why bring it up and put a target on your back? If he isn't mafia, he can easily get killed and bring another possible townie down with him. If he is mafia, he would know who targeted him is a townie and he would have to kill himself to kill the townie. 
Not sure how claiming would decrease the likelihood of an investigation. I'd be more obligated to investigate someone who claimed personally.

[KevinH]

TBH if it's game long, I'd be more apt to just lynch ABT now if we have no better options as he'd continue to skate by lynches because cops/trackers/etc are too afraid to investigate him.  Basing him solely off a claim he was targeted by cupid is quite risky, especially later in game.

 

Even if it's not game-long, I'm inclined to lynch Ali bin Turban today.
At best, we lynch a scum who tried a clever gambit.
At worst, we lose a townie that doesn't have a power that will help the town.

Vote: Ali bin Turban

Unless ... does anyone want to confess to being Lovers with Ali?