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[SeaBeeGipson]

@mandarijn
My pokemon appears in Kanto and Jonto regions; and is a Generation I pokemon.
With that, we could be based off the Kanto (FireRed/LeafGreen Games)


As for the no kill, I don't see why we need a PR roleclaiming so early. I'd be willing to think it was a bulletproof as my mind is going that way.
It does make me think as well we have 1 scum faction. (a sole Team Rocket setup, not a Team Magma/Aqua, etc setup I mentioned earlier.) It still is too earlier to sign off on their being a SK though. 

 

[Canik]

Canik, on 18 Apr 2018 - 17:53, said:KevinH, on 18 Apr 2018 - 16:43, said: "If you're alive Day 2, you must be scum!" (I hate that argument, both as townie and scum) ​You know Samus dying N1 is a meme here right? I'm sure you do.. which makes this seem a little forced, just sayin' ​FoS Kevin

I think it's time for the fluff to stop from hereon.

​If you consider that fluff then your big post was full of fluff. "This is interesting." "Hmm. Yep, just a 'hmm'" is extremely fluffy. Then you give some opinion on/explain some basic game stuff which is something scum can easily do and something they like to do to appear helpful but really it helps very little and is more than worth it to scum if it throws town off your trail. 

[Yehom]

also guys bare in mind, Kevin gave me N1 immunity last game.

 

Seriously? What was his specification for that? 

 

As for the kill-less night, I'm happy to see that town has at least extended their winning chance, but very curious to see what happened

[Lord MK]

During the night I continued my quest to "Gotta catch'em all!" and I caught a Mew!

Anyway, is there anyone who wants to tell us in what Region he is or what type of Pokemon he is?

Why don't you start off yourself?
As i said last day, lead your idea.

I already said from what region my character is, but nothing has happened since...

I didn't see it yet.
I must have missed it.
Sorry for that.

[Lord MK]

Doctors are generally x-shot, right? So I doubt that the failed mafia kill was due to a doctor's intervention, especially given that the doctor had nothing to go on: he or she would've had to get extremely lucky. If I had to guess, I'd say mafia hit a bulletproof.

Hmm. Yep, just a 'hmm'

What are you saying here?

I just quoted it for truth.
I mean, you seem to have information.
I didn't say anything much because well, scum may take you out if you were indeed a PR.
But since Canik wants to dig into me,
I have to say that a few possibilities exist.
1) you are a doctor. You are a X-shot, if that's true.
And you didn't submit any night actions.
So it lead you to saying that particular point.
2) You have the bulletproof modifier.
You thought that you were the lucky guy to be targeted at night.
3) you are just throwing it out there.
This seems highly likely too.

[Samus]

 

also guys bare in mind, Kevin gave me N1 immunity last game.

 

Seriously? What was his specification for that? 

 

As for the kill-less night, I'm happy to see that town has at least extended their winning chance, but very curious to see what happened

 

Because i'm Samus:

 

https://ironcentral.org/community/topic/61143-kh-19the-last-jedi-mafia-town-wins/page-53#entry941889

 

https://ironcentral.org/community/topic/60642-should-i-start-playing-again/#entry923696

[Lord MK]

Canik, on 18 Apr 2018 - 17:53, said:KevinH, on 18 Apr 2018 - 16:43, said: "If you're alive Day 2, you must be scum!" (I hate that argument, both as townie and scum) ​You know Samus dying N1 is a meme here right? I'm sure you do.. which makes this seem a little forced, just sayin' ​FoS Kevin

I think it's time for the fluff to stop from hereon.

​If you consider that fluff then your big post was full of fluff. "This is interesting." "Hmm. Yep, just a 'hmm'" is extremely fluffy. Then you give some opinion on/explain some basic game stuff which is something scum can easily do and something they like to do to appear helpful but really it helps very little and is more than worth it to scum if it throws town off your trail.

QFTs are definitely not fluff, iirc.
Sometimes, in a game you have to watch out for certain encounters. They may not appear much then, but later on, they become useful.
So what i did with those two quotes, was to reserve them for later use.

KitKat assumed that jailkeepers are unlimited, which is not so. All modifiers depend on the game and the mod.
This may be because of lack of experience.
In my opinion, knowledge of stuff needs to be given to those who don't have it.
So i shared to him what I knew there.
It may not help town, but it sure helps those who didn't know that. So don't give that 'doesn't help town' crap.

Moving back to your post,
"​You know Samus dying N1 is a meme here right? I'm sure you do.. which makes this seem a little forced, just sayin' ​FoS Kevin"
Samus dying N1 is a meme? What the...?
Don't tell me that this is a serious comment. It screams fluff all over.
Then you try to cast suspicion on Kevin on the back of that.
Yeah, you seemed way serious there.

"is more than worth it to scum if it throws town off your trail."
- How? If i am town, how is it more useful to scum to have the town off my back?
They rather have me on the town's gunpoint.
If i am scum, maybe this makes some sense.
But then, i never try to throw the town of my back.
So if I am scum, i am the default suicide scum. So for my playstyle, i never have any use in throwing town off my trail.

[The Warrior]

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With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch or 5 at deadline.

Deadline is 1:00pm CST on Wednesday, April 25th.

[Ali bin Turban]

I've just realized I got a message from TW yesterday. It turns out I got targeted by a Cupid last night. Now, there's not much info on the cupid role, so I have few questions:

 

@TW

1. Is the cupid role taken from the Greater Idea Mafia?

2. About night actions resolution. Mafia sends a cupid to visit me and also let's assume they try to kill me on the same night. Would everyone that visited me that night be killed (except for cupid), including the mafia guy delivering the kill?

3. Could cupid visit someone and at the same time deliver a kill?

[Yehom]

've just realized I got a message from TW yesterday. It turns out I got targeted by a Cupid last night.

Doesn't that just paint a huge target on your back now Ali? Killing you would mean that your death would drag someone else to their death as well if you were targeted by a Cupid, or am I misreading what lovers do? If not, I don't understand why you would relay that information so soon and why you would ask those questions here in public when TW would probably answer them in private as well. 

[brewersalliance]

Huge fos on ABT. Why would you claim that? This would just let scum know to kill you so they can take out multiple townies at once. The only reason I can think of for you to do that is you are scum and want to steer the town away from ever killing you by saying "hey I'm targeted by the Cupid, so if town kills me multiple town will die"
I would like to think you are too good of a player to accidentally announce to the scum, hey kill me to kill multiple townies, so I'm really hard pressed to believe your claim here...

[Lachiton]

I agree with Yehom and brewers on this. That was really out of the blue . Now if I think about why you announced that there's only couple of reasons -
1) you are town and don't want other townies to target you at night so even if you're killed, there's no other townie deaths.
2) you are scum and don't want any sort of investigative actions on you as well as save yourself from lynch.

Since you yourself thought this was too early to disclose any night actions, this is really suspicious behavior. I am curious to know why you would announce that.

[Yehom]

1) you are town and don't want other townies to target you at night so even if you're killed, there's no other townie deaths.

This doesn't make sense though, unless he deliberately announced it so that townie PR's keep dedicating their power to Ali so they keep alive 2 townies at once.  

[brewersalliance]

1) you are town and don't want other townies to target you at night so even if you're killed, there's no other townie deaths.

This doesn't make sense though, unless he deliberately announced it so that townie PR's keep dedicating their power to Ali so they keep alive 2 townies at once.

That is way too risky of a claim to make this early Tho. The negatives of doing that dwarf the positives. Announcing to everyone that if u die, multiple townies die with you is screaming hey scum come kill me. Sure now if there are TP roles they might get on ABT, but there could have been a much more subtle and tactful way to do so that wouldn't paint such a huge target on your back for scum. Maybe it was just a dumb mistake but it's hard to see it like that.

[Lachiton]

1) you are town and don't want other townies to target you at night so even if you're killed, there's no other townie deaths.

This doesn't make sense though, unless he deliberately announced it so that townie PR's keep dedicating their power to Ali so they keep alive 2 townies at once.

I am bit fuzzy on the cupid abilities but it seems to me whoever targets the target cupid targeted, becomes lovers throughout the game. So if one gets killed other dies too. Only way to undone the effect is to kill the cupid. That's why I thought if he is town, he doesn't want other townies to endanger themselves by targeting him, thus denying mafia multiple kills.
I may be wrong in my analysis though

[brewersalliance]

1) you are town and don't want other townies to target you at night so even if you're killed, there's no other townie deaths.

This doesn't make sense though, unless he deliberately announced it so that townie PR's keep dedicating their power to Ali so they keep alive 2 townies at once.

I am bit fuzzy on the cupid abilities but it seems to me whoever targets the target cupid targeted, becomes lovers throughout the game. So if one gets killed other dies too. Only way to undone the effect is to kill the cupid. That's why I thought if he is town, he doesn't want other townies to endanger themselves by targeting him, thus denying mafia multiple kills.
I may be wrong in my analysis though

Unless he was targeted by other townies n1,then they are in danger as well already

1) you are town and don't want other townies to target you at night so even if you're killed, there's no other townie deaths.

This doesn't make sense though, unless he deliberately announced it so that townie PR's keep dedicating their power to Ali so they keep alive 2 townies at once.

I am bit fuzzy on the cupid abilities but it seems to me whoever targets the target cupid targeted, becomes lovers throughout the game. So if one gets killed other dies too. Only way to undone the effect is to kill the cupid. That's why I thought if he is town, he doesn't want other townies to endanger themselves by targeting him, thus denying mafia multiple kills.
I may be wrong in my analysis though

Unless he was targeted by other townies n1,then they are in danger as well already

[Lachiton]

1) you are town and don't want other townies to target you at night so even if you're killed, there's no other townie deaths.

This doesn't make sense though, unless he deliberately announced it so that townie PR's keep dedicating their power to Ali so they keep alive 2 townies at once.

That is way too risky of a claim to make this early Tho. The negatives of doing that dwarf the positives. Announcing to everyone that if u die, multiple townies die with you is screaming hey scum come kill me. Sure now if there are TP roles they might get on ABT, but there could have been a much more subtle and tactful way to do so that wouldn't paint such a huge target on your back for scum. Maybe it was just a dumb mistake but it's hard to see it like that.

You're correct but if cupid is mafia, then they are already aware about it. So how does he announce that to scum if they already know about it.
Don't get me wrong I still don't think this was a good move on his part if he is town, but by announcing this he doesn't make himself more of a target than he already is.
Of course if cupid is town aligned, then this is a very very bad move.

[brewersalliance]

Well we don't know that Cupid is a scum role for this game. It could be a town role as well. So it's just super risky to announce it like that. My gut tells me abt is scum trying to get a shield over himself from the town and there is a scum Cupid role but they didn't target anyone n1 so his claim is safe for now
I could be wrong but that's just what I'm feeling right now

[Lachiton]

Well we don't know that Cupid is a scum role for this game. It could be a town role as well. So it's just super risky to announce it like that. My gut tells me abt is scum trying to get a shield over himself from the town and there is a scum Cupid role but they didn't target anyone n1 so his claim is safe for now
I could be wrong but that's just what I'm feeling right now

Yes that's the thing I am afraid about, that cupid is town.
I am struggling to make up my mind about him. Let's assume AbT is scum. Why do you think it was such a great move to make to announce that cupid targeted him? Wouldn't it make more sense if he keeps quiet about it and if he is caught by cop or tracker and up for lynch, he can get them lynched along with him?

[brewersalliance]

Well we don't know that Cupid is a scum role for this game. It could be a town role as well. So it's just super risky to announce it like that. My gut tells me abt is scum trying to get a shield over himself from the town and there is a scum Cupid role but they didn't target anyone n1 so his claim is safe for now
I could be wrong but that's just what I'm feeling right now

Yes that's the thing I am afraid about, that cupid is town.
I am struggling to make up my mind about him. Let's assume AbT is scum. Why do you think it was such a great move to make to announce that cupid targeted him? Wouldn't it make more sense if he keeps quiet about it and if he is caught by cop or tracker and up for lynch, he can get them lynched along with him?

Maybe I misread what you said but if he was lying and is scum, why would his lynch mean the cop or tracker dies with him??
Let's say he is scum. In my mind this is why he does it. The cop and tracker will no longer want to target him because now they woild be at risk of dying if abt dies so he has a shield from being discovered as scum. And then also town isn't going to kill him for risk of killing multiple town with him. So as scum that's why I can see abt making that claim