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[Kitkat16]

I have two insights to add:

 

(1) Assuming AbT is telling the truth, whoever targeted him as lover is probably fairly new to IRON mafia games, as otherwise they wouldn't have picked someone who tends to die early. They probably aren't scum because scum will have a scum team of four people (or so) and there is likely to be at least one experienced player in that group who would advise whoever the person who targeted AbT to pick someone else. I dunno if any of this info helps us, but I thought I'd at least say it.

 

(2) I think calling OMGUS whenever someone expresses suspicion of someone who accused them is bs. It's perfectly legit to be suspicious of someone who wants to lynch you and doesn't in itself mean you're any more or less likely to be scum.

[Ali bin Turban]

I immediately corrected myself and said that Ali could have powers.

 

Ali conveniently ignores that and questions how could I know that he has no powers.

 

It all just seems suspicious to me.

You conventionally ignore the fact that it was the Mandarijn who corrected you and not yourself. You've just agreed when you got called on it, since rather obviously there was no way to keep that argument. 

 

However after giving some additional thought to the matter, I don't think you're scum. I'm actually convinced you're town. It was a first serious vote and you were the first one to throw in, when scum tend to wait longer, beating around the bush, waiting for the town to catch the bait. Also your call for the other lovers to show up seems rather spontaneous move and not something a scum with your experience would have a nerve to do.

[Lord MK]

The Mandarijn?
😂

[Ali bin Turban]

Maybe TW did say to AbT that he was targeted by a Cupid, bit later edited it out realising his mistake But i am more inclined to believe AbT is making stuff up. But if you guys do decide to lynch him, make sure that it is a lynch by half majority vote. As I have this feeling in a part of my head which says that AbT is a Mafia Supersaint. That role do exist in this game.

 

TW has nothing to do with it. I've seen in my message something that did not exist there. It sometimes happens, like it happened last game to Kitkat. This time it turns out I'm the one that can't read.

 

Also, being Supersaint in this scenario does not make any sense. Supersaint is not some suicide bomber that's meant to go in and get lynched taking out a town with him. Mafia can not afford to trade with town 1 by 1 (not to mention they cannot afford to get a bunch of town confirmed).

 

Secondly, you're inclined to believe I'm making stuff, therefore I'm a scum, but yet you're distancing yourself, letting others to decide whether to lynch me. Why? You don't want to get your hands dirty?

[Canik]

I have two insights to add:

 

(1) Assuming AbT is telling the truth, whoever targeted him as lover is probably fairly new to IRON mafia games, as otherwise they wouldn't have picked someone who tends to die early. They probably aren't scum because scum will have a scum team of four people (or so) and there is likely to be at least one experienced player in that group who would advise whoever the person who targeted AbT to pick someone else. I dunno if any of this info helps us, but I thought I'd at least say it.

 

(2) I think calling OMGUS whenever someone expresses suspicion of someone who accused them is bs. It's perfectly legit to be suspicious of someone who wants to lynch you and doesn't in itself mean you're any more or less likely to be scum.

 

This is some interesting analysis and I give you a townie point for it.

​Though I'm not sure targetting AbT was such a bad choice a more experienced player wouldn't make it. AbT has died early recently but that was to scum kills not lynchings and the scum doesn't have to worry about him dying to scum kills b/c they're scum and can control that.

​So even if AbT flips town be wary of the more experiences players too. (not that I think we should lynch him yet, I still lean towards him telling the truth)

[Ali bin Turban]

okay this changes things a lot. I am going to write this under the assumption that ABT is telling the truth (not saying I think he is cause I still have my doubts and I will address that) since it just says lover and not cupid we no longer even know if a cupid was involved. i think its safe to say that since the message says he became a lover, if someone targeted him and also became a lover, they would have been given a similar message. So if someone targeted ABT and did not get that message it means one of two things. A) ABT is lying or its a nymphomaniac. Now if someone got the message that they are a lover and they did not target ABT, then it would basically confirm it was a nymphomaniac and not a cupid.

 

As for what you said about me: I was in no way saying there isnt a mafia cupid, I wanted us to explore all possibilities. I was doubtful you were telling the truth, as it was a weird claim to make and now it seems like there is a chance a cupid might not even be in play, and you changed your wording to just lover. Waht screams OMGUS to me is this part "I have a strong feeling we have scum among the ones pushing for the lynch: KevinH, Brewers and Rhizo. They don't seem to be concerned about the faith of other townies that may be possibly connected to me."

I'm not sure if I read your first paragraph correctly. Only possible scenario is that I got hit either by cupid or by nymphomaniac.

 

As for the second part, you say person being accused has no right to defend itself? When you don't agree with their arguments and they seem excuses to get the wagon going, you have to stay silent because otherwise it's OMGUS?

 

As I mentioned, I can understand KevinH actions and the way he did it makes me feel he's town (plus it's KevinH who has his own style).

What I don't get is for example how easy it is for Rhizo to pile on with the excuse "I'm afraid we cannot confirm you at this time, so it's better to kill you right away, possibly killing others that are connected to you". As for you, I've already stated what are my concerns.

[Kitkat16]

 

I have two insights to add:

 

(1) Assuming AbT is telling the truth, whoever targeted him as lover is probably fairly new to IRON mafia games, as otherwise they wouldn't have picked someone who tends to die early. They probably aren't scum because scum will have a scum team of four people (or so) and there is likely to be at least one experienced player in that group who would advise whoever the person who targeted AbT to pick someone else. I dunno if any of this info helps us, but I thought I'd at least say it.

 

(2) I think calling OMGUS whenever someone expresses suspicion of someone who accused them is bs. It's perfectly legit to be suspicious of someone who wants to lynch you and doesn't in itself mean you're any more or less likely to be scum.

 

This is some interesting analysis and I give you a townie point for it.

​Though I'm not sure targetting AbT was such a bad choice a more experienced player wouldn't make it. AbT has died early recently but that was to scum kills not lynchings and the scum doesn't have to worry about him dying to scum kills b/c they're scum and can control that.

​So even if AbT flips town be wary of the more experiences players too. (not that I think we should lynch him yet, I still lean towards him telling the truth)

 

 

True. Stupid oversight on my part.

[Canik]

 

 

I have two insights to add:

 

(1) Assuming AbT is telling the truth, whoever targeted him as lover is probably fairly new to IRON mafia games, as otherwise they wouldn't have picked someone who tends to die early. They probably aren't scum because scum will have a scum team of four people (or so) and there is likely to be at least one experienced player in that group who would advise whoever the person who targeted AbT to pick someone else. I dunno if any of this info helps us, but I thought I'd at least say it.

 

(2) I think calling OMGUS whenever someone expresses suspicion of someone who accused them is bs. It's perfectly legit to be suspicious of someone who wants to lynch you and doesn't in itself mean you're any more or less likely to be scum.

 

This is some interesting analysis and I give you a townie point for it.

​Though I'm not sure targetting AbT was such a bad choice a more experienced player wouldn't make it. AbT has died early recently but that was to scum kills not lynchings and the scum doesn't have to worry about him dying to scum kills b/c they're scum and can control that.

​So even if AbT flips town be wary of the more experiences players too. (not that I think we should lynch him yet, I still lean towards him telling the truth)

 

 

True. Stupid oversight on my part.

 

​It works in your favor with me tho because it shows you weren't thinking of it from a scum perspective which makes me think you're more likely town than not.

As I mentioned, I can understand KevinH actions and the way he did it makes me feel he's town (plus it's KevinH who has his own style).

​I'm still kinda worried about KevinH personally because he playstyle is normally no-lynch D1 and this is essentially D1 repeated. By comparison Rhizo's motivation to lynch you seems more believable to me.

​@KevinH - why not no-lynch today?

[Mandarijn]

 

 

Now, another thing i know for a fact.
In the PM saying that you are now a lover.
No where will it be mentioned, how you became a lover.
It just says that you are now a lover.

In fact, the Greater Idea Mafia concurs with me on this one.

You are a Town Lover.

Abilities

During the Day, you may vote for whomever you want lynched.
Lover: If there are other Lovers in the game, you will form a Lover bond with them. All Lovers will die at the same time.
Win Condition

You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated and at least one Town-aligned player is still alive, or nothing can prevent the same.

So how did AbT know that he was targeted by a Cupid?
This is the question everyone should be asking.
The most probable way for this to happen is for TW to have messed up with his PMs.
But i don't think this is a viable possiblity.
But this may be true because of this particular sentence.

Oh crap, I could swear and bet all my tech, that I saw word 'Cupid' in my message, but reading it now again I see there's only information I've been struck with the lovers effect. That's quite a blunder

Maybe TW did say to AbT that he was targeted by a Cupid, bit later edited it out realising his mistake

But i am more inclined to believe AbT is making stuff up.
But if you guys do decide to lynch him, make sure that it is a lynch by half majority vote.
As I have this feeling in a part of my head which says that AbT is a Mafia Supersaint.
That role do exist in this game.

Any one else finds this post a bit weird? If you knew this for a fact, why not come forward with it before Ali said he made a mistake? Either you were content with the discussion staying that way and otherwise you're probably trying to get townie points with this post, which isn't working with me...

[Lord MK]

Maybe TW did say to AbT that he was targeted by a Cupid, bit later edited it out realising his mistake But i am more inclined to believe AbT is making stuff up. But if you guys do decide to lynch him, make sure that it is a lynch by half majority vote. As I have this feeling in a part of my head which says that AbT is a Mafia Supersaint. That role do exist in this game.

TW has nothing to do with it. I've seen in my message something that did not exist there. It sometimes happens, like it happened last game to Kitkat. This time it turns out I'm the one that can't read.

Also, being Supersaint in this scenario does not make any sense. Supersaint is not some suicide bomber that's meant to go in and get lynched taking out a town with him. Mafia can not afford to trade with town 1 by 1 (not to mention they cannot afford to get a bunch of town confirmed).

Secondly, you're inclined to believe I'm making stuff, therefore I'm a scum, but yet you're distancing yourself, letting others to decide whether to lynch me. Why? You don't want to get your hands dirty?

Nope, i just don't think i have made up my mind.
I just don't feel like voting for you.

[Lord MK]

Now, another thing i know for a fact.
In the PM saying that you are now a lover.
No where will it be mentioned, how you became a lover.
It just says that you are now a lover.

In fact, the Greater Idea Mafia concurs with me on this one.

You are a Town Lover.

Abilities

During the Day, you may vote for whomever you want lynched.
Lover: If there are other Lovers in the game, you will form a Lover bond with them. All Lovers will die at the same time.
Win Condition

You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated and at least one Town-aligned player is still alive, or nothing can prevent the same.

So how did AbT know that he was targeted by a Cupid?
This is the question everyone should be asking.
The most probable way for this to happen is for TW to have messed up with his PMs.
But i don't think this is a viable possiblity.
But this may be true because of this particular sentence.

Oh crap, I could swear and bet all my tech, that I saw word 'Cupid' in my message, but reading it now again I see there's only information I've been struck with the lovers effect. That's quite a blunder

Maybe TW did say to AbT that he was targeted by a Cupid, bit later edited it out realising his mistake

But i am more inclined to believe AbT is making stuff up.
But if you guys do decide to lynch him, make sure that it is a lynch by half majority vote.
As I have this feeling in a part of my head which says that AbT is a Mafia Supersaint.
That role do exist in this game.

Any one else finds this post a bit weird? If you knew this for a fact, why not come forward with it before Ali said he made a mistake? Either you were content with the discussion staying that way and otherwise you're probably trying to get townie points with this post, which isn't working with me...

I just didn't think that AbT will be on the center stage.
But now that he did, and those who are cooking that pot wants to drag everyone else in, i feel it's a matter of survival that i jump into it.

[Yehom]

Any one else finds this post a bit weird? If you knew this for a fact, why not come forward with it before Ali said he made a mistake? Either you were content with the discussion staying that way and otherwise you're probably trying to get townie points with this post, which isn't working with me...

Because nobody called his ass out for sitting on the fence for that long.

 

Regarding Ali, now that he mentioned that he misread what actually happened. It still doesn't really add up to me. Whether he was visited by Cupid or has become a lover via another way, it's unwise to immediately throw that out, because not only did he just put himself in harms way, but someone else too, especially if he became a lover with someone else, not just the first lover who can 'contaminate' someone. I'm leaning a lot more towards Ali bs'ing us, not just because he suddenly changed up his story, but meanly because the consequences don't really differ in either scenario. In fact I believe he made things worse if he did tell us the truth.  

[brewersalliance]

 

Any one else finds this post a bit weird? If you knew this for a fact, why not come forward with it before Ali said he made a mistake? Either you were content with the discussion staying that way and otherwise you're probably trying to get townie points with this post, which isn't working with me...

Because nobody called his ass out for sitting on the fence for that long.

 

Regarding Ali, now that he mentioned that he misread what actually happened. It still doesn't really add up to me. Whether he was visited by Cupid or has become a lover via another way, it's unwise to immediately throw that out, because not only did he just put himself in harms way, but someone else too, especially if he became a lover with someone else, not just the first lover who can 'contaminate' someone. I'm leaning a lot more towards Ali bs'ing us, not just because he suddenly changed up his story, but meanly because the consequences don't really differ in either scenario. In fact I believe he made things worse if he did tell us the truth.  

 

I agree it was not wise to tell us but whats done is done.  In my mind there are two options

 

A) he is telling the truth, which would mean he was either targeted by the cupid or the nymphomaniac. 

  he is making the whole thing up and is scum

 

Either way I think there is too much of a risk to lynch him today.  If we lynch him, two people could die if he is indeed telling the truth.  Thats why we need to wait on lynching him and investigate abt.  The more I stare at the cupid role the more I think that it does not extend beyond D1, and there is a good chance that it wasnt even the cupid that targeted him.  So I think there is less risk in investigating him than lynching him now and putting other townies potentially in danger.  

[Rhizoctonia]

 

Oh crap, I could swear and bet all my tech, that I saw word 'Cupid' in my message, but reading it now again I see there's only information I've been struck with the lovers effect. That's quite a blunder .

 

 

Anyway, my train of thought was as follow:

1. Cupid is most likely a scum role. It's useless for the town (positive scenario for the town is so much less likely to happen than positive scenario for the scum) and one being a town would be a fool to fire it randomly.
2. If Cupid was scum, then scum already know what happened. Only people that didn't know were town so it was in best town's interest to let them know. Keeping the knowledge for myself would just mean me ending dead with a chance of some others being dead too and town being confused what's going on.

People, imagine you've been hit by cupid and mafia knows it. Wouldn't you warn the town of what happened?

 

Being a town only logical action for me would be to report being hit by the cupid to warn town (again mafia already knows).

Being a scum why would I go talking about it at all? Have anyone voted on me? Have anyone suspected me of something? Were I under any pressure? Why would I even go that route? To grab unwanted attention?

 

 

 

However, as I mentioned it turns out I don't know if I was hit by cupid. It could very well be a nymphomaniac (but still, there are better targets around, ones that tend to survive longer) and in that case announcing it was a stupid move.

 

Still the reaction of some people is very, very interesting.

 

1. Brewers seems to be very doubtful about about the cupid role, up to the point of asking how did I know I was target by him and putting a lot of thoughts into possibility of cupid being a town role. Like if he knows something we don't know (that there's no mafia cupid in game).

 

2. KevinH fishing for a possible lover here . Why would anyone in his right mind come out and say so? Right now, if there's anyone else we still could be protected. With other people out our fate would be sealed. Also he's trying to sweeten the deal by saying killing me is no biggie because I don't have any power. How does he know it?

 

Finally there's the reoccurring argument is that it's better to risk killing multiple townies than to leave unknown player around. Are we in a LYLO situation or something like that now? Do we have all other players confirmed and the chance of me being the scum is the highest? What exactly happens if I'm not lynched today?

 

I have a strong feeling we have scum among the ones pushing for the lynch: KevinH, Brewers and Rhizo. They don't seem to be concerned about the faith of other townies that may be possibly connected to me. Especially KevinH.

 

 

 

Your last comment is very much the most hypocritical thing you've said.  They don't seem "concerned about the faith  of other townies that maybe possibly connected to me."  Are you for real?  The only one who doesn't have any concern about people connected to you is indeed yourself.  You coming out could very well of now jeopardized the lives of two people if in fact you're town.  Let's say a Nympho become lovers with you, because they're forced to target someone, now you just outed that there's a Nympho in the game, and scum knows killing you kills 2.  Otherwise, had you not blurted out about becoming lovers, the scum would have no idea such a role existed and keeping it a secret.  And for what, to come forth to ask questions that you very well could of asked the Mod in private for your own knowledge instead of admitting you're now a lover?  Glad you admit it could of been a stupid move, but that doesn't in fact change you did it.  And for someone who has played this game and know your caliber, I find it rather odd you'd make such a rookie mistake.

That, and the fact now you're changing your story.  First you said Cupid ability was used on you, now you back pedal and say it was never in your message after someone called you out that they found it odd that you'd be told you were targeted by cupid.  

 

Vote: Lord MK

 

I've now see you post multiple times, yet the most pressing issue at hand you just quite spectacularly manage to dodge every single time. You make it look like you're active, while simultaneously not participating with the discussion. That's some bs fluffing if I've ever seen it, so I'm voting for you until you've made an actual contribution to issue at hand, because as of right now you're just dancing around it 

 

Well TW put a lot of people in a weird spot. I (We) have nothing to add to the conversation at this point but can't stay quiet for fear of being killed by either the rules or the players for inactivity.

 

P.S- This is less of a defense of Lord MK and more of a preemptive defense of myself 

 

 

How has TW put a lot of people in a weird spot...and what's with this We?  

Odd you make your comment on a quote of someone other then yourself.  It very much seems to a defense of him

[Lord MK]

Woah, don't try to mix jazzy and me together.
He was just making a point.
Leave that comment alone.

[Rhizoctonia]

 

okay this changes things a lot. I am going to write this under the assumption that ABT is telling the truth (not saying I think he is cause I still have my doubts and I will address that) since it just says lover and not cupid we no longer even know if a cupid was involved. i think its safe to say that since the message says he became a lover, if someone targeted him and also became a lover, they would have been given a similar message. So if someone targeted ABT and did not get that message it means one of two things. A) ABT is lying or its a nymphomaniac. Now if someone got the message that they are a lover and they did not target ABT, then it would basically confirm it was a nymphomaniac and not a cupid.

 

As for what you said about me: I was in no way saying there isnt a mafia cupid, I wanted us to explore all possibilities. I was doubtful you were telling the truth, as it was a weird claim to make and now it seems like there is a chance a cupid might not even be in play, and you changed your wording to just lover. Waht screams OMGUS to me is this part "I have a strong feeling we have scum among the ones pushing for the lynch: KevinH, Brewers and Rhizo. They don't seem to be concerned about the faith of other townies that may be possibly connected to me."

I'm not sure if I read your first paragraph correctly. Only possible scenario is that I got hit either by cupid or by nymphomaniac.

 

As for the second part, you say person being accused has no right to defend itself? When you don't agree with their arguments and they seem excuses to get the wagon going, you have to stay silent because otherwise it's OMGUS?

 

As I mentioned, I can understand KevinH actions and the way he did it makes me feel he's town (plus it's KevinH who has his own style).

What I don't get is for example how easy it is for Rhizo to pile on with the excuse "I'm afraid we cannot confirm you at this time, so it's better to kill you right away, possibly killing others that are connected to you". As for you, I've already stated what are my concerns.

 

 

 

What's funny is you trying to save yourself by using the fear of someone else could be killed as some justified reason to keep you alive.  Is that your excuse you're going to use all game long, where anytime you're in the hot seat resort back to well killing me could kill more then me?  Pretty convenient, especially if you remain closer to the end where our numbers of mislynches are low and people are afraid to pull the trigger on you as you bring up once again lynching you could kill more then just you and end the game for scum.

 

Quit with the charade, you very well could of put a town in jeopardy with you coming out as being hit by now what you say, lover ability.  So you can knock off the whole not caring about possibility of other players dying when you didn't care when you opened your mouth about being targeted by a cupid, and then changed your story.  Very well could be suddenly changing your story when your fellow scum told you that a cupid target wouldn't of been told they were targeted or you asked Mod, and now suddenly changing it.

My as well post what TW supposedly sent you.  I'd love to read how you somehow thought you saw Cupid in it, or the message read where it was hinted as such.

 

[Lord MK]

You coming out could very well of now jeopardized the lives of two people if in fact you're town.

How?
If it was a nympho, then it makes sense.
But if it was a mafia Cupid who did it, then AbT made the right move there.

Don't assume that it is Cupid or Nymphomaniac without solid backing.

[Rhizoctonia]

It's one thing to look to defend yourself, it's a whole other to use "fear of killing someone else," as an excuse for people to continue to let you slide and continue to be saved...for which you personally could of jepordized someone.  

[Rhizoctonia]

Woah, don't try to mix jazzy and me together.
He was just making a point.
Leave that comment alone.

 

 

Why would I leave that alone.  Sure, I know you would love me too, but I'm going to call out any oddities of posts, or a slip up.  Not my fault you don't like it

 

 

You coming out could very well of now jeopardized the lives of two people if in fact you're town.

How?
If it was a nympho, then it makes sense.
But if it was a mafia Cupid who did it, then AbT made the right move there.

Don't assume that it is Cupid or Nymphomaniac without solid backing.

 

 

 

How did AbT make right move?  The move AbT only helps himself, and he's already trying to use it.  He can now keep trying to skate by threatening the fact if he's killed others may die.  How coming forth there is a cupid help?  So if he was targeted by cupid last night, what does him coming out help?  If someone used their ability on ABT the same night, it doesn't change the fact they're now connected?  Who cares to know there is a possible cupid, town can't change that, nor change if they used an ability on AbT last night.  It's pointless except for AbT to use for his own benefit.

So it could of been one or the other...so it's smart for AbT to come forward with such information when he doesn't which one it was?  Has same probability it was a Nympho or a Cupid, and since he wants to run his mouth about people voting not caring about possible people connected to him being killed as well by voting him, I'm going to call him out for not caring about the possibility of a town Nympho being connected to him when he decided to write what he did.  

 

Even if he was hit by cupid, there's no guarantee anyone else targeted him as well to make lovers.  He want's to keep emphasizing the "maybe" a reason he should live.

 

[Yehom]

But if it was a mafia Cupid who did it, then AbT made the right move there.

 

No because the consequences would be the same, I don't see in what world there being a cupid or a nympho would make a difference in consequences where it would be that Ali made the right move. In both of the scenarios he made the worst possible choice and yet you're defending him now, whilst a few posts ago you said this:

 

 

 

But i am more inclined to believe AbT is making stuff up. But if you guys do decide to lynch him, make sure that it is a lynch by half majority vote. As I have this feeling in a part of my head which says that AbT is a Mafia Supersaint. That role do exist in this game.

 

You've been on the fence for the first part of this day. The moment I call you out you finally start to contribute in the discussion, only to flipflop 15 posts later from saying Ali is more likely making stuff up to saying that in different scenarios he could have made the right move, even though both scenarios play out exactly the same. So what is it?