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[Rhizoctonia]

I'm also not against a No lynch for this day.  We had no one killed last night nor lynched the real D1, thus this is basically a D1 scenario again, but with some actual substance and arguments.  Allow for another day of some people to gain some information that we can solidify a for sure scum, and worst case, I'll revert back to why I think AbT is the best said option if there's no one better, as at this point I think he is and told enough times why.  

I'm also closely watching how people look to defend or condemn AbT.  If AbT is town and was hit with a Cupid, scum would love to kill off AbT by lynch and hopefully hit more then just him, since they can't kill him at night and risk becoming lovers on the kill (if it's game long) with another kill tonight, and if he was town and hit by a nympho they get 2 there with another kill tonight...yet his wagon is short of what's needed, and know 1 of 3 on it is town.  Maybe scum do not want to participate in it in hopes enough town lynch him, or scum don't want to lynch their own.  

[Ali bin Turban]

Again, this is all to believe that you simply screwed up reading. I don't get how 1 reads the word cupid when it's not there, or otherwise assume you were hit by it by the message you were sent by TW. Again, we're to believe you just read cupid out of thin air, but have yet to reveal what the message actually sent said that TW sent you where one can read the message and maybe see how you came to such a conclusion that it was cupid from what else it actually sent to you. You brought up Kitkat and not being able to read, his mess up was be added 1 shot to his bulletproof townie, instead of just bullet proof townie....big difference then reading a word Cupid that doesn't exist in the PM.

 

Oh my. Are you seriously promoting yourself to the role of a commission that will be deciding what can we be mistaken about?

 

Let alone, you announce this and then disappear. Then you post, going to wait to see other peoples responses. Through this whole time, people questioned if in fact a target of Cupid would be told that they were targeted by a cupid by PM, and some questioning your message. Thus giving you time while you refrained from posting to actually ask the Mod if in fact a Cupid target would, or scum partners told you to vary such story.

Show me that message, because I don't think you're telling truth. Brewers was the one that asked first (message 220) and it was after your vote.

 

 

I'm not going to quote the rest of your walls of text since you're repeating yourself over and over again. You need to decide whether you want to bash me for my "inability to read" (yeah I'm a retard, bash me for it) or you're not believing my story. First one means I'm telling the truth and second one implies that I'm a scum. You can't have both.

 

Secondly you were so busy with going over and over my lousy reading skills, that you forgot to answer the most important question. I'll quote it again, hoping that now you will not miss it:

 

Well at this point it seems TW is not going to answer how the role of cupid works, be it the only night it is used or for whole game. Without knowing this, we don't know if it will ever be possible to target ABT with an investigation role without becoming lovers or not. Thus, he himself has now become a huge liability with basically uncheckable since Admin wont elaborate on how Cupid's role would work if he implemented in game.

 

Vote: ABT

 

Who cares to know there is a possible cupid, town can't change that, nor change if they used an ability on AbT last night. It's pointless except for AbT to use for his own benefit.

 

First you vote on me because you presumably fear, that Cupid effect may last for the whole game thus making me unverifiable, since visiting me is a death sentence. Secondly you say, that giving away information about cupid was pointless. Apparently it's no longer important that unaware townies could visit me should I not warn them, even though you keep on believing that it could spell death for them (which you confirm in your last post).

 

So what's your real view on this matter?

[Mandarijn]

 

I think Ali is telling the truth.

It was indeed the best option to come out at the moment he thought he was targetted by a Cupid, I've yet to see someone give a legit argument why it wouldn't be. And it doesn't matter if someone else targetted him or not during the night, mafia already knows that they targetted Ali and can kill him at night whenever they want...

Missing the Cupid part was a honest mistake I think, he immediately came out that he made a mistake when someone questioned that part, before that he was just looking where the discussion was going, what is exactly what I would do if I dropped a bomb like that.

 

Whether or not he was targetted by a Cupid or Nymph, it just doesn't make sense to lynch him. To me we would be helping out the Mafia. Now Mafia knows this information (or maybe they already knew of course) it's up to them to decide if they want to kill him at night or not. Other townie PR roles might be able to protect him (or not, who knows ). And if TW can tell us if the Cupid effect would last all game or not, then Ali can also be investigated (although I'm 99% sure he's town). If the Mafia have a watcher, then that's a HUGE problem.

 

@The Warrior : How the Cupid works isn't clear on the Greater Mafia Idea. Can you confirm (hypotheticly speaking that a Cupid is in the game) whether or not the Cupid effect will last all game or just for N1?

 

 

You don't see the problem of using this fear of killing more then 1 as a reason to continue to let him live?  You don't see a problem with not knowing if there is a cupid if it's game long or not so we can actually investigate him if he was in fact hit by cupid?  You don't see a problem with if he was hit with a Nympho, that he very well could be scum and the nympho picked a scum to be lovers with?  You're ok with going all game with having AbT living because of said fear, when it's better to mislynch now then later?

Obviously not as I asked TW again to explain us how he would use the Cupid effect, I don't see why he wouldn't answer that. He probably just doesn't read everything and hasn't seen we're still not sure how it works after he answered the 1st time.

 

I haven't played Mafia for a while, but I just find it hard to believe that scum and especially Ali would try this play with Cupid. 

 

If we do want to lynch someone (I would be fine with a no lynch as well), I'm more in favor of just lynching an inactive than Ali...

[Rhizoctonia]

Oh my. Are you seriously promoting yourself to the role of a commission that will be deciding what can we be mistaken about?

 

 

No, but merely making my point. You were the one to bring up kitkat from last game and I'm refuting your claim that somehow the two are similar.  You want people to believe you merely made a mistake, I'm point out the possibility you're not. 

 

 

'Rhizoctonia', on 22 Apr 2018 - 11:32, said:

Let alone, you announce this and then disappear. Then you post, going to wait to see other peoples responses. Through this whole time, people questioned if in fact a target of Cupid would be told that they were targeted by a cupid by PM, and some questioning your message. Thus giving you time while you refrained from posting to actually ask the Mod if in fact a Cupid target would, or scum partners told you to vary such story.

Show me that message, because I don't think you're telling truth. Brewers was the one that asked first (message 220) and it was after your vote.

 

 

I'm not going to quote the rest of your walls of text since you're repeating yourself over and over again. You need to decide whether you want to bash me for my "inability to read" (yeah I'm a retard, bash me for it) or you're not believing my story. First one means I'm telling the truth and second one implies that I'm a scum. You can't have both.

 

What would you like me to quote?  And what does when I vote compared to when it was brought up matter?  I already explained my vote for you, can one not add justification for said vote following it?  Brewers brought it slightly up at post 220, but my big reference to it is Brewers post #224 

 

what sticks out to me like a sore thumb is tho that he was messaged he was targeted by the cupid.  sure we cant confirm that he was or wasnt, but that just sticks out to me as off.  why would you be told you were targeted by the cupid but not told if any other actions, such as a rb or tp was done to you?

 

He makes a valid point.  And this before you suddenly came back and changed your story that there was no Cupid mention in your message from TW.   So just like my reply to you, you changed your story following someone questioning if you would be told a cupid targeted you. 
 

First you vote on me because you presumably fear, that Cupid effect may last for the whole game thus making me unverifiable, since visiting me is a death sentence. Secondly you say, that giving away information about cupid was pointless. Apparently it's no longer important that unaware townies could visit me should I not warn them, even though you keep on believing that it could spell death for them (which you confirm in your last post).

 

So what's your real view on this matter?

 

Giving away information about cupid is pointless, at least when you don't even know all the information.

Let's just say the effect was just for N1.  What does telling everyone benefit anything?  It's too late, if they visited you that night they're already connected.  They can't run from it, and as you said Mafia already knows they targeted you.  It doesn't change anything if it merely is for a single day, by the time you already mentioned it, it's over.  There's zero benefit from you coming forward, merely just informing everyone who visited you that night that they're now lovers for which they cant change.  How about the fact, you mentioning it may give hints to scum of who maybe visited you because suddenly those people come to your assistance because they know if you die they do, or vice versa.

So what good information do we gain?  And hindsight, you maybe self inflicted a 2 person kill because of you misreading, so your reveal unbenounce to you at the time brought that harm.  

Let's say its' game long.  I already mentioned to MK in post #264 that being game long maybe the only way it "saves" anyone.  Do you know if it's game long?  Pretty sure that's something I'd ask the mod in private before announcing it to everyone.  Why announce it if it wont change anything?  Had you did, maybe TW would of answered or through the back and forth with him, realized he didn't say you were hit by cupid.  Let alone, I'm not sold you can't just be making this up.  There's been  few people post how faking such could benefit you, including me.  I get you want us to believe your story off face value while you sit there and act as if it wouldn't be nice for a scum to claim this to basically get game long immunity of investigation.  Again, roles reversed, I don't see you being ok with the idea of simply believing such and allowing them to just skate by all game because of it.  I don't get announcing something when you do not have all the information or if it will in fact help or not help.  

 

I'm not going to quote the rest of your walls of text since you're repeating yourself over and over again. You need to decide whether you want to bash me for my "inability to read" (yeah I'm a retard, bash me for it) or you're not believing my story. First one means I'm telling the truth and second one implies that I'm a scum. You can't have both.

 

Yea, that's what a lot of this game is about, believing a claim/word or not.  And no, I'm not sold on it, obviously.  And I have already stated my reasoning for my vote on you from earlier, because if you're investigative immunity, or atleast making it seem like you're and not knowing it's game long, I'm not simply content to just believe a claim off face value with zero way of proving it or proving otherwise.

 

But honestly, I'm done arguing over the past because now you've amended your response and admitted to it not saying Cupid.  So this whole you coming forward with it is completely mute, as it tells us absolutely nothing besides that if we want to believe you, there could be a Cupid, or there could by a Nympho...for which we already knew was a possibility.   We don't know if there's a cupid if it's N1 only or game long.  This in effect benefits you more then anyone because you've successfully put the concern in people of risking investigating you and becoming lovers, or risk killing you will lead possibly killing a nympho even though you very well could be scum that a Nympho targeted.  If you don't see a problem in that from other town perspectives, well I don't know what more to say.  If rest of town wants to keep you alive off your word the whole game, they can.

 

As I stated, I'm fine with a NL today as there's been 0 kills so we're basically in D1 scenario with actual things happening.  If you're scum and lovers with a Nympho, maybe Scum will inadvertently hit the Nympho and take you out for us.  Either way, I'm taking what you say with a grain of salt unless you at a later time RC with something useful, as I am not sold on your story, and the fact even if you're lovers doesn't mean you can't be a scum tied to a townie now via Nympho.  

 

Unvote

 

for the time being

[Canik]

 

Vote abtIt sounds like abt is changing history claimed he read message wrong, and trying to divert attention to two others.

​Atliis moving in for the kill! And with a solid reason too. Nicely done for someone who just started playing. Btw is this your first game of Mafia period or just on IRON forums?

 

​I'm sad Atliis never answered my question here

[The Warrior]

I am obviously not going to confirm nor deny whether any role exists in this game but since there is apparently still a lot of ambiguity in how the "Cupid" role theoretically works, I will re-iterate. My interpretation of the role is the same as the defined role in the Greater Idea mafia game:

 

Targets player Night 1; all OTHER players who targeted same player become Lovers with target

Don't read it as more than it is. The role, as listed, is meant to operate on a specific night.

 

I will also note that there is only one possible role/modifier listed in the available game roles that is Mafia specific and only a couple that are listed as Town specific.

 

 

Vote Count

 

Ali bin Turban (2): KevinH, Atliis

Lord MK (2): Yehom, Brewersalliance

Samus (2): Darkfox, Lachiton

Darkfox (1): Samus 

Rafay (1): SeaBeeGipson

Atliis (0):

Brewersalliance (0):

Canik (0):

Colonel Medved (0):

Jazzy95 (0):

KevinH (0):

Kitkat16 (0):

Lachiton (0):

Mandarijn (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

SeaBeeGipson (0):

Yehom (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

 

Not Voting: Ali bin Turban, Canik, Colonel Medved, Darkfox, Jazzy95, KevinH, Kitkat16, Lord MK, Mandarijn, Rafay, Rhizoctonia

 

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch or 5 at deadline.

Deadline is 1:00pm CST on Wednesday, April 25th.

 

 

 

 

Curious however if a Doctor protects one and the other is killed, does only 1 die, or would the doctor prevent the death of the one he protected.  @The Warrior want to chime in?

My interpretation is that if a "lover" is protected at night, that protection will only extend to kill attempts directly targeting that person.

[brewersalliance]

 

 

Vote abtIt sounds like abt is changing history claimed he read message wrong, and trying to divert attention to two others.

​Atliis moving in for the kill! And with a solid reason too. Nicely done for someone who just started playing. Btw is this your first game of Mafia period or just on IRON forums?

 

​I'm sad Atliis never answered my question here

 

I can answer it for him.  He has never played mafia before but he has played several hundred games of Town of Salem ( we are friends in RL)

and thank you for the clarification TW.  So if ABT was hit with the Cupid, people would only become lovers N1.  So now there is zero risk for the town cop to become a lover if the cop investigates ABT N2.  

also, do we have a post count?  is anyone in danger of being mod killed?  (and how do you do a post count?  do you just go back through and add them up by hand or is there an easier way to do so lol)

[Rhizoctonia]

I am obviously not going to confirm nor deny whether any role exists in this game but since there is apparently still a lot of ambiguity in how the "Cupid" role theoretically works, I will re-iterate. My interpretation of the role is the same as the defined role in the Greater Idea mafia game:

 

Targets player Night 1; all OTHER players who targeted same player become Lovers with target

Don't read it as more than it is. The role, as listed, is meant to operate on a specific night.

 

I will also note that there is only one possible role/modifier listed in the available game roles that is Mafia specific and only a couple that are listed as Town specific.

 

 

Vote Count

 

Ali bin Turban (2): KevinH, Atliis

Lord MK (2): Yehom, Brewersalliance

Samus (2): Darkfox, Lachiton

Darkfox (1): Samus 

Rafay (1): SeaBeeGipson

Atliis (0):

Brewersalliance (0):

Canik (0):

Colonel Medved (0):

Jazzy95 (0):

KevinH (0):

Kitkat16 (0):

Lachiton (0):

Mandarijn (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

SeaBeeGipson (0):

Yehom (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

 

Not Voting: Ali bin Turban, Canik, Colonel Medved, Darkfox, Jazzy95, KevinH, Kitkat16, Lord MK, Mandarijn, Rafay, Rhizoctonia

 

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch or 5 at deadline.

Deadline is 1:00pm CST on Wednesday, April 25th.

 

 

 

 

Curious however if a Doctor protects one and the other is killed, does only 1 die, or would the doctor prevent the death of the one he protected.  @The Warrior want to chime in?

My interpretation is that if a "lover" is protected at night, that protection will only extend to kill attempts directly targeting that person.

 

 

Thanks, for both answers.  Clears a bit up.

Then yea, there's no point at this time to kill off AbT as it would only been the same night if in fact it was cupid.  The possibility still remains for him the be investigated so that relieves some of my fear.  
 

 

 

 

 

Vote abtIt sounds like abt is changing history claimed he read message wrong, and trying to divert attention to two others.

​Atliis moving in for the kill! And with a solid reason too. Nicely done for someone who just started playing. Btw is this your first game of Mafia period or just on IRON forums?

 

​I'm sad Atliis never answered my question here

 

I can answer it for him.  He has never played mafia before but he has played several hundred games of Town of Salem ( we are friends in RL)

and thank you for the clarification TW.  So if ABT was hit with the Cupid, people would only become lovers N1.  So now there is zero risk for the town cop to become a lover if the cop investigates ABT N2.  

also, do we have a post count?  is anyone in danger of being mod killed?  (and how do you do a post count?  do you just go back through and add them up by hand or is there an easier way to do so lol)

 

 

I can post a post count for total game, but I do not know of an easy way to determine for just this day outside of manually counting.  I think Mandarijn posted a count for this day few pages back, so can work off that to where we are to eliminate some counting.  

Easiest way is to save post counts of everyone at the end of each day so you know where they started the next day out and then subtract that from the total posts they've made when it gets closer to the end of the next day to see how many times they have posted since the start.  If my terrible explanation makes sense

[Lachiton]

I think Rafay is in danger of being mod killed. He has not posted at all since the beginning of the day. And maybe Jazzy too.

Also regarding all the talks about cop investigating AbT, be careful. Mafia may have watcher in their ranks and this will only lead to cop outing himself and getting killed in the process. If you want to investigate AbT, don't do it if mafia can predict you'll be visiting AbT.

[The Warrior]

I am keeping an updated post count.

 

Overall Post Count:

 

 

brewersalliance 59

Lord MK 29

Lachiton 23

Rhizoctonia 22

Mandarijn 16

Ali bin Turban 15

Canik 15

Samus 14

Yehom 14

KevinH 13

Kitkat16 12

SeaBeeGipson 9

DarkFox 7

Colonel Medved 6

atliis 6

Jazzy95 6

Rafay 5

 

Those below the daily post requirement:

 

Rafay: 1

Colonel Medved: 1

Jazzy95: 2

[Canik]

I can answer it for him. He has never played mafia before but he has played several hundred games of Town of Salem ( we are friends in RL)

​Ah okay, cool. Since he had just said it was his first Mafia game I was wondering how he made a proper vote like that. It seemed almost coached to me. Like a more experienced scum partner said "vote for AbT, say this.. " but your explaination eases my suspicions.

 

Rafay: 1 Colonel Medved: 1 Jazzy95: 2

Wow. There's only 2 days left till deadline these guys better get to it.

[brewersalliance]

I think Rafay is in danger of being mod killed. He has not posted at all since the beginning of the day. And maybe Jazzy too.

Also regarding all the talks about cop investigating AbT, be careful. Mafia may have watcher in their ranks and this will only lead to cop outing himself and getting killed in the process. If you want to investigate AbT, don't do it if mafia can predict you'll be visiting AbT.

true good point the mafia may have a watcher on ABT but they also might not even have the role.  

and it looks like rafay or medved might get mod killed.  so no reason to lynch someone and have a mod kill at the same time and potentially lose two town...  

 

vote no lynch

 

until everyone passes the 3 votes 

[Yehom]

What happens when all 3 don't reach the required post amount? Does the person with the least posts get killed or all 3?

[Lachiton]

I think Rafay is in danger of being mod killed. He has not posted at all since the beginning of the day. And maybe Jazzy too.

Also regarding all the talks about cop investigating AbT, be careful. Mafia may have watcher in their ranks and this will only lead to cop outing himself and getting killed in the process. If you want to investigate AbT, don't do it if mafia can predict you'll be visiting AbT.

true good point the mafia may have a watcher on ABT but they also might not even have the role.

and it looks like rafay or medved might get mod killed. so no reason to lynch someone and have a mod kill at the same time and potentially lose two town...

vote no lynch

until everyone passes the 3 votes

Yeah cop has to be smart about it. But I would suggest not to investigate AbT tonight as this could all be a trap to out the cop early with a watcher waiting in the wings. It's only D2, no rush to clear AbT. Yes cop may not survive long enough to actually able to investigate, but tonight mafia will be extra vigilant on AbT and so it's better to defer it for later. I am getting town vibes from AbT anyways, as scum is not likely to play that bold move on D2 and bring attention to himself. Cop can better use his investigation on someone better, most probably the guys who are either avoiding or skirting around the issue at hand.

Of course cop will need to use his better judgement and not make it predictable.

[brewersalliance]

What happens when all 3 don't reach the required post amount? Does the person with the least posts get killed or all 3?

whoever has the lowest overall post count dies, or something like that.  what if two people are tied?  @TW

[SeaBeeGipson]

Unvote. Rafay is up for mod kill and voting didn't seem to spark any activity.

Vote No Lynch. I don't have anyone standing out as worthy of a lynch in all honesty.

[KevinH]

I find that Ali has made the most suspicious posts but am willing to give the benefit of a doubt for now.

 

Unvote.

 

I am in favor of getting rid of inactives since even if they are town, they won't be around to help when needed.

 

Vote: No lynch

 

Let the mod kill an inactive.

[The Warrior]

What happens when all 3 don't reach the required post amount? Does the person with the least posts get killed or all 3?

The player with the fewest overall posts will be mod-killed. In the event that there are several tied for fewest overall posts, RNG will determine who is mod-killed that day.

 

 

Vote Count

 

Samus (2): Darkfox, Lachiton

Ali bin Turban (1): Atliis

Darkfox (1): Samus 

Lord MK (1): Yehom

Rafay (0):

Atliis (0):

Brewersalliance (0):

Canik (0):

Colonel Medved (0):

Jazzy95 (0):

KevinH (0):

Kitkat16 (0):

Lachiton (0):

Mandarijn (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

SeaBeeGipson (0):

Yehom (0):

 

No Lynch (3): Brewersalliance, SeaBeeGipson, KevinH

 

Not Voting: Ali bin Turban, Canik, Colonel Medved, Darkfox, Jazzy95, Kitkat16, Lord MK, Mandarijn, Rafay, Rhizoctonia

 

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch or 5 at deadline.

Deadline is 1:00pm CST on Wednesday, April 25th.

 

Currently in danger of mod-kill: Rafay (1 daily posts; 5 overall)

[Colonel Medved]

Sorry folks, been kinda busy IRL haha. Just got some sleep after a 15 hour shift at work 

[atliis]

Are you part of this group of 4?

I have two insights to add:

 

(1) Assuming AbT is telling the truth, whoever targeted him as lover is probably fairly new to IRON mafia games, as otherwise they wouldn't have picked someone who tends to die early. They probably aren't scum because scum will have a scum team of four people (or so) and there is likely to be at least one experienced player in that group who would advise whoever the person who targeted AbT to pick someone else. I dunno if any of this info helps us, but I thought I'd at least say it.

 

(2) I think calling OMGUS whenever someone expresses suspicion of someone who accused them is bs. It's perfectly legit to be suspicious of someone who wants to lynch you and doesn't in itself mean you're any more or less likely to be scum.

Do we learn the roles of the dead?

 

What happens when all 3 don't reach the required post amount? Does the person with the least posts get killed or all 3?

The player with the fewest overall posts will be mod-killed. In the event that there are several tied for fewest overall posts, RNG will determine who is mod-killed that day.

 

 

Vote Count

 

Samus (2): Darkfox, Lachiton

Ali bin Turban (1): Atliis

Darkfox (1): Samus 

Lord MK (1): Yehom

Rafay (0):

Atliis (0):

Brewersalliance (0):

Canik (0):

Colonel Medved (0):

Jazzy95 (0):

KevinH (0):

Kitkat16 (0):

Lachiton (0):

Mandarijn (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

SeaBeeGipson (0):

Yehom (0):

 

No Lynch (3): Brewersalliance, SeaBeeGipson, KevinH

 

Not Voting: Ali bin Turban, Canik, Colonel Medved, Darkfox, Jazzy95, Kitkat16, Lord MK, Mandarijn, Rafay, Rhizoctonia

 

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch or 5 at deadline.

Deadline is 1:00pm CST on Wednesday, April 25th.

 

Currently in danger of mod-kill: Rafay (1 daily posts; 5 overall)