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[Rhizoctonia]

question. would the framer change the results to guilty for an FBI agent as well, or do the guilty results just show up to a cop?

Just asked TW that in private to get clarification before you posted. Waiting to hear back
Mafia only mentions Cop as I skim it. Don't see mention of a FBI agent. Hopefully will get further clarification

[The Warrior]

Vote Count

 

KevinH (2): Brewersalliance, Rhizoctonia

Ali bin Turban (0): 

Brewersalliance (0):

Darkfox (0):

Jazzy95 (0):

Kitkat16 (0):

Lachiton (0):

Mandarijn (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

SeaBeeGipson (0):

Yehom (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

 

Not Voting: Ali bin Turban, Darkfox, Jazzy95, KevinH, Kitkat16, Lachiton, Mandarijn, SeaBeeGipson, Yehom

 

With 11 players alive it takes 6 to lynch or 3 at deadline.

Deadline is 1:00pm CST on Monday, June 18th.

 

Currently in danger of mod-kill:

[Lachiton]

Guilty result on AbT is interesting. It all depends now if we can find and lynch the framer. It can also be possible that AbT is SK who was framed on N2 and Rhizo got the correct result this time.

 

Whatever be the case, I agree AbT shouldn't be the lynch for today. We need to lynch mafia.

[Rhizoctonia]

So upon further clarification, a framer would produce a guilty result on their target to any investigative role (from TW). Thus, safe to assume that means FBI agent.

So yea, my result can't be for certain until a framer is killed and I can redo it. But we do know there's a framer from it.

[Lachiton]

So upon further clarification, a framer would produce a guilty result on their target to any investigative role (from TW). Thus, safe to assume that means FBI agent.

So yea, my result can't be for certain until a framer is killed and I can redo it. But we do know there's a framer from it.

Yeah it is certain now that framer is in play as AbT is not universal miller so wont show up guilty to both cop and FBI agent. 

 

So if Kevin is mafia and framer, AbT is SK. If Kevin turns out town or  mafia but not framer, then there's a chance SK is someone else.

 

There's most certainly a SK somewhere, otherwise having FBI agent doesn't make any sense.

[brewersalliance]

So if Kevin is mafia and framer, AbT is SK. If Kevin turns out town or  mafia but not framer, then there's a chance SK is someone else.

 

please explain how this logic holds up?

 

if kevin is framer and he framed ABT, abt could still be town or SK 

[Lachiton]

 

So if Kevin is mafia and framer, AbT is SK. If Kevin turns out town or  mafia but not framer, then there's a chance SK is someone else.

 

please explain how this logic holds up?

 

if kevin is framer and he framed ABT, abt could still be town or SK 

 

Because I blocked Kevin last night. He wouldn't have been able to use his power if he is framer.

[brewersalliance]

so the framers power only works on the night they frame them, and it doesnt linger the entire game?

[brewersalliance]

if its just the night they framed him then it makes sense that KevinH dying and being the framer would indeed confirm ABT is the SK. 

[Lachiton]

so the framers power only works on the night they frame them, and it doesnt linger the entire game?

I dont think it works as cupid or nympho which works entire game, especially if framer can target each night . Ofcourse that is how I understand it.

[Yehom]

Because I blocked Kevin last night.

If this is true, than it pretty much confirms it right? Unless someone really has some solid information about someone else, I think this is the right course of action

 

Vote: Kevin 

[brewersalliance]

Vote: Kevin 

 

 

[Mandarijn]

Haha, I was thinking the same.

 

question. would the framer change the results to guilty for an FBI agent as well, or do the guilty results just show up to a cop?

also, we dont have to lynch ABT today if he is indeed the SK.  we can try to get one of the mafia today, since I can Jail ABT n6, since its an even night, so if he is the sk, he wont be able to kill anyone tonight anyways.

 

this way it keeps SBG alive for an extra day too

I think if you jail Ali, Rhizo can also not investigate him?

"Some Jailkeepers not only protect their target from all kills, but also render its target untargetable by all other actions during that Night. This variant is also known as Alien."

Or is that not the case here?

 

I've also found something interesting: On all uneven nights (N1, N3 and N5) we've had no kill at night. What could this mean? This night might be explained that KevinH got blocked and couldn't perform the kill.

 

There's also still the possibility that KevinH is not the Framer, but someone else from the scum team is...

 

I'll place my vote on KevinH when we've had some more discussion today...

[KevinH]

What are you doing?
 
You must be racist!
 
Worse, you must be MISANDROUS!
 
Even still worse, you are practicing AGEISM!
 
So what if I'm pale, male, and stale?  I have a right to play Mafia, too!
 
Reconsider your actions or I shall taunt you a second time.

 

The block on me was useless because I didn't do anything, much less frame someone.

 

I would like to call everything we know in this game into question.

 

If there's a Framer, there could alternatively be a Tailor, which makes the guilty appear innocent.

Also, Godfather is a possible role, which always appears innocent.  

So I question whether those confirmed "innocent" are what they appear to be.

 

Vote: Ali bin Turban

 

What are the odds that a framer would target him at the exact same time an investigator did twice?

[Lachiton]

I think if you jail Ali, Rhizo can also not investigate him? "Some Jailkeepers not only protect their target from all kills, but also render its target untargetable by all other actions during that Night. This variant is also known as Alien." Or is that not the case here?

This is ruled  out. Brewers jailed AbT on N2 but I still got guilty result on him.

 

I've also found something interesting: On all uneven nights (N1, N3 and N5) we've had no kill at night. What could this mean? This night might be explained that KevinH got blocked and couldn't perform the kill.

I might have blocked the kill on N3 when I protected brewers, though not 100% sure of it.

 

 

 

What are you doing?
 
You must be racist!
 
Worse, you must be MISANDROUS!
 
Even still worse, you are practicing AGEISM!
 
So what if I'm pale, male, and stale?  I have a right to play Mafia, too!
 
Reconsider your actions or I shall taunt you a second time.

 

The block on me was useless because I didn't do anything, much less frame someone.

 

I would like to call everything we know in this game into question.

 

If there's a Framer, there could alternatively be a Tailor, which makes the guilty appear innocent.

Also, Godfather is a possible role, which always appears innocent.  

So I question whether those confirmed "innocent" are what they appear to be.

 

Vote: Ali bin Turban

 

What are the odds that a framer would target him at the exact same time an investigator did twice?

 

 

AbT is not off the hooks but right now priority is to lynch mafia. You were blocked last night and no kill happened. Coincidence? I guess you need to explain it to us what might have happened. And if you're town it's better you full claim now.

[brewersalliance]

"Some Jailkeepers not only protect their target from all kills, but also render its target untargetable by all other actions during that Night. This variant is also known as Alien."

 

I actually asked TW about that earlier, he said the other actions would still happen.  All i do is roleblock and protect them from kills. 

 

What are you doing?
 
You must be racist!
 
Worse, you must be MISANDROUS!
 
Even still worse, you are practicing AGEISM!
 
So what if I'm pale, male, and stale?  I have a right to play Mafia, too!
 
Reconsider your actions or I shall taunt you a second time.

 

The block on me was useless because I didn't do anything, much less frame someone.

 

I would like to call everything we know in this game into question.

 

If there's a Framer, there could alternatively be a Tailor, which makes the guilty appear innocent.

Also, Godfather is a possible role, which always appears innocent.  

So I question whether those confirmed "innocent" are what they appear to be.

 

Vote: Ali bin Turban

 

What are the odds that a framer would target him at the exact same time an investigator did twice?

 

you have yet to really claim anything other than being Gengar. 

[Ali bin Turban]

That's an interesting turn of events. With Lachiton's block we can make 2 mistakes (unless there will be double kill one night).

 

Town in my eyes:

Brewersalliance - cop investigation

Darkfox - cop investigation

Lachiton - Town (especially after blocking KevinH who was probably delivering a kill)

SeaBeeGipson - nympho. Can't be mafia nympho (if they even can exist) - they wouldn't nympho me just to frame me the next night.

Mandarijn - jumped with me on the Medved wagon when others were actually ignoring the hard evidence.

Jazzy95  - he was voted by both Medved (confirmed scum) and Yehom (suspect).

 

No hard proofs yet:

Rhizoctonia - Yesterday we got just one miss-lynch chance left. When Rhizo claimed FBI Agent it felt to me like scum could be preparing for the endgame. Trying to lynch townie (Jazzy/Yehom) that day and entering LYLO phase with faked FBI Agent findings (getting into a strong position to lynch townie end the game). I'm sure for the rest of you it didn't look as bad but you don't have my knowledge (I know I'm Vig). His analysis on Yehom was good though. With 2 misslynches I'm more calm but still don't fully trust him (not after he returned with the guilty result), but KevinH's death will give us more answers here.

 

Top suspects:

KevinH - with no protective roles active (unless we don't know something about DarkFox), the fact that he was blocked by Lachiton connected with no kills implies he's a scum.

Kitkat16 - claiming Vengeful. Being late to the voting (always when they're decided).

Yehom - claiming bulletproof. Fits the SK theory and may also explain the no death's days. Also Rhizo's theory.

 

KevinH is done and we need to think what should we do tonight, because if there's SK, then after KevinH there's just one scum left (Kitkat most probably). We can either block him at night (denying mafia kill) or trying to limit possible SK activity.

Also DarkFox is being the last person that claims to be visiting others. If he has any useful information he should share it with us.

[SeaBeeGipson]

That's an interesting turn of events. With Lachiton's block we can make 2 mistakes (unless there will be double kill one night).

 

Town in my eyes:

Brewersalliance - cop investigation

Darkfox - cop investigation

Lachiton - Town (especially after blocking KevinH who was probably delivering a kill)

SeaBeeGipson - nympho. Can't be mafia nympho (if they even can exist) - they wouldn't nympho me just to frame me the next night.

Mandarijn - jumped with me on the Medved wagon when others were actually ignoring the hard evidence.

Jazzy95  - he was voted by both Medved (confirmed scum) and Yehom (suspect).

 

No hard proofs yet:

Rhizoctonia - Yesterday we got just one miss-lynch chance left. When Rhizo claimed FBI Agent it felt to me like scum could be preparing for the endgame. Trying to lynch townie (Jazzy/Yehom) that day and entering LYLO phase with faked FBI Agent findings (getting into a strong position to lynch townie end the game). I'm sure for the rest of you it didn't look as bad but you don't have my knowledge (I know I'm Vig). His analysis on Yehom was good though. With 2 misslynches I'm more calm but still don't fully trust him (not after he returned with the guilty result), but KevinH's death will give us more answers here.

 

Top suspects:

KevinH - with no protective roles active (unless we don't know something about DarkFox), the fact that he was blocked by Lachiton connected with no kills implies he's a scum.

Kitkat16 - claiming Vengeful. Being late to the voting (always when they're decided).

Yehom - claiming bulletproof. Fits the SK theory and may also explain the no death's days. Also Rhizo's theory.

 

KevinH is done and we need to think what should we do tonight, because if there's SK, then after KevinH there's just one scum left (Kitkat most probably). We can either block him at night (denying mafia kill) or trying to limit possible SK activity.

Also DarkFox is being the last person that claims to be visiting others. If he has any useful information he should share it with us.

This is where I stand on most.

I'd move Jazzy down to my top suspects though, and put Mandy with Rhizo in the neutral zone.

I'm trying to catch up and refresh my memory on what the commotion with KevinH is.

[Ali bin Turban]

 

What are you doing?
 
You must be racist!
 
Worse, you must be MISANDROUS!
 
Even still worse, you are practicing AGEISM!
 
So what if I'm pale, male, and stale?  I have a right to play Mafia, too!
 
Reconsider your actions or I shall taunt you a second time.

 

The block on me was useless because I didn't do anything, much less frame someone.

 

I would like to call everything we know in this game into question.

 

If there's a Framer, there could alternatively be a Tailor, which makes the guilty appear innocent.

Also, Godfather is a possible role, which always appears innocent.  

So I question whether those confirmed "innocent" are what they appear to be.

 

Vote: Ali bin Turban

 

What are the odds that a framer would target him at the exact same time an investigator did twice?

 

That was quite weak. Call everything we know into a question? How much more scummy can you be? But one is sure (at least for me), if you were blocked you can't be a framer.

 

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@SBG:

but how would you explain that scum were lining up to lynch Jazzy? They could go for other unconfirmed non mafia player(if Jazzy is scum, then either Kitkat or Yehom must be town, since I don't believe there are 5 scum). Why lynching one of their own?

[Lachiton]

I think Kevin is done, unless someone wants to come forward with another solid incriminating evidence. He might be preparing last ditch defense


Be careful not to bring vote count closer to hammer. Scum might dog pile to end the day early.