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[Ali bin Turban]

There were very little kills indeed. Assuming mafia setup was Strongman, Bulletproof (KevinH), Framer, they held no power to stop SK kills (SK ignores bulletproofs).

Town had Jailer, Roleblocker, Doc , who didn't do much (Doc died very fast, DarkFox unfortunately was hitting town). We still don't know anything about Mandarijn, but who knows, he might be a Hider, so noone would be able to target him at night (BTW has anyone ever targeted Mandarijn ?).

Mafia could also target bulletproof SK and SK could be even/odd night killer, which would explain why we were seeing less kills than we should.

 

Bulletproof role for the mafia does not seem to be very useful (and not very probable because of that), but it would actually be a proof that I'm indeed a Vig. Since SK ignores bulletproof, it protects mafia player only from town night kills and I'm the only one here that claimed to have such role. If there was no Vig in this game, mafia bulletproof would have no point.

 

Anyway, it seems for the next night we'll have 1 roleblocker, 1 jailer, 1 tracker and from town perspective there are 4 unknown guys (well Rhizo is still unknown too, but we obviously shouldn't block him):

- Kitkat

- Yehom

- Me

- Mandarijn - I don't see him being mafia, but there's no proof he can't be SK. 

 

I don't put Jazzy as the unknown, since I believe he's town (and he can't be SK, as he targeted Rhizo and Rhizo did confirm that).

 

I'd suggest we block Kitkat/Yehom and put tracker on me (or any other order town finds good, like for example if KevinH turns out to be framer, then surely I should get blocked). This way no kill should happen next night, but if it happens we'll know who did it.

[brewersalliance]

Lets not forget that Gengar is a ghost type and a bullet is a physical type attack. Though the mafia has not killed on most nights and I am wondering about that. At this point Brewer or I should have been killed since we are confirmed town. Kevin is probably mafia since no one died last night but if he was blocked what stopped the other one from killing either brewer or myself?

He claimed Defend-er.  Everyone else has a role that is a move your pokemon learns.  Defend is not a move that Gengar learns (pretty sure there isnt a move called defend).

 

So its most likely a fake claim.  

 

 

As for the lack of kills some nights, n3 lach healed me so that could have blocked a kill.  n5 u and lach rb'd kevin and he could have been carrying the kill

[DarkFox]

If Kevin is mafia, how many more do we have to deal with?

[brewersalliance]

There were very little kills indeed. Assuming mafia setup was Strongman, Bulletproof (KevinH), Framer, they held no power to stop SK kills (SK ignores bulletproofs).

Town had Jailer, Roleblocker, Doc , who didn't do much (Doc died very fast, DarkFox unfortunately was hitting town). We still don't know anything about Mandarijn, but who knows, he might be a Hider, so noone would be able to target him at night (BTW has anyone ever targeted Mandarijn ?).

Mafia could also target bulletproof SK and SK could be even/odd night killer, which would explain why we were seeing less kills than we should.

 

Bulletproof role for the mafia does not seem to be very useful (and not very probable because of that), but it would actually be a proof that I'm indeed a Vig. Since SK ignores bulletproof, it protects mafia player only from town night kills and I'm the only one here that claimed to have such role. If there was no Vig in this game, mafia bulletproof would have no point.

 

Anyway, it seems for the next night we'll have 1 roleblocker, 1 jailer, 1 tracker and from town perspective there are 4 unknown guys (well Rhizo is still unknown too, but we obviously shouldn't block him):

- Kitkat

- Yehom

- Me

- Mandarijn - I don't see him being mafia, but there's no proof he can't be SK. 

 

I don't put Jazzy as the unknown, since I believe he's town (and he can't be SK, as he targeted Rhizo and Rhizo did confirm that).

 

I'd suggest we block Kitkat/Yehom and put tracker on me (or any other order town finds good, like for example if KevinH turns out to be framer, then surely I should get blocked). This way no kill should happen next night, but if it happens we'll know who did it.

I dont think Kevin is bulletproof.  I think he is lying about his role.

 

You are really pushing hard for us not to roleblock you ABT.  I still dont trust you are not the SK.  So until I have a not guilty from Rhizo, or Kevin flips something other than framer, I will be jailing you.  if kevin is scum, and dark fox can rb the third partner (my guess is Yehom) we should be sitting pretty.  

If Kevin is mafia, how many more do we have to deal with?

If there is a SK probably just 1, otherwise 2 if there is not a SK

if kevin comes up as Framer:

 

Then ABT is confirmed the SK.  I will jail ABT tonight (n6) then, and dark fox can try to rb the last mafia.  

 

then d7we can lynch whoever the last mafia is

 

I am guessing ABT will kill me n7 then since I cant jail him

 

Then d8 we lynch ABT and win! 

[Yehom]

Unless bullets are a normal move, I don't see how Gengar can be bulletproof

[Mandarijn]

The remaining members of the scum team have to be:

KevinH

Yehom

Kitkat16

 

Like I said Jazzy was being voted on by Medved and Yehom, Rhizo pointed out the flavor thing and brought attention to Yehom (and KevinH). So my feeling is both are town.

 

I don't think there's a SK in this game, seeing we have had no night with 2 kills (except when Ali killed Canik). So it's very unlikely Mafia and the SK weren't able to kill on 2+ nights. Except if the Mafia is for example Even and the SK is uneven (or the other way around)...

 

I can roleclaim as well if you guys want, but I don't think it'll help town much.

[brewersalliance]

I don't think there's a SK in this game, seeing we have had no night with 2 kills (except when Ali killed Canik). So it's very unlikely Mafia and the SK weren't able to kill on 2+ nights. Except if the Mafia is for example Even and the SK is uneven (or the other way around)...

 

n1 we had no kills.  idk what happened there

n2 just one kill, but I blocked ABT.  if he was the SK i would have stopped the kill

n3 no kills, but lach did heal me.  so that could have stopped a kill. 

n4 two kills. 

n5 no kills.  if there were two, it would have 100% confirmed the SK, which the sk would not want to do.  And kevinH was role blocked, thus potentially blocking a kill

 

Plus, there is a chance we have bulletproof scum.  so that could have blocked a SK kill.  so we cant count out the possibility of a sk 

[Kitkat16]

I believe that Kevin is not the framer. I am a role blocker and blocked Kevin last night. This doesn't mean he is town per say but if ABT is town and was framed again it means that Kevin is not the guy.

 

So you're saying the town has a jailkeeper, a JOAT with roleblocking ability, *AND* a roleblocker? That raises my eyebrows a little. Are you trying to protect Kevin?

 

@TW: Can a framer target himself (or herself) to be investigated innocently by a cop? If so, FoS Darkfox.

[KevinH]

I can only claim what was given to me.

Mark my words,this is the moment where the town loses the game.

 

(Humor intended.  At least we won't be losing a power role when I get lynched)

[brewersalliance]

LMFAO now you're just trolling us

[DarkFox]

So you're saying the town has a jailkeeper, a JOAT with roleblocking ability, *AND* a roleblocker? That raises my eyebrows a little. Are you trying to protect Kevin?

 

 

So my misconception was correct right after, my question is why are you so aggressive? You seem to want Kevin lynched pretty bad. If he ends up being town are you going to turn out to be scum?

[Kitkat16]

 

So you're saying the town has a jailkeeper, a JOAT with roleblocking ability, *AND* a roleblocker? That raises my eyebrows a little. Are you trying to protect Kevin?

 

 

So my misconception was correct right after, my question is why are you so aggressive? You seem to want Kevin lynched pretty bad. If he ends up being town are you going to turn out to be scum?

 

 

I'm not desperate to lynch Kevin. I simply drew attention to stuff in your post that it was legitimate to draw attention to. Kevin is doing a good enough job at getting lynched without my help lawl. But perhaps I'm just confused here: what is the misconception that was cleared up?

[Jazzy95]

Jazzy isn't very active so counting on him for this plan could prove difficult. Oh well fingers crossed

 

   

 

I'd move Jazzy down to my top suspects though

 

   

 

Anyways, AbT didn't target anyone last night.

[brewersalliance]

 

Jazzy isn't very active so counting on him for this plan could prove difficult. Oh well fingers crossed

 

   

 

I'd move Jazzy down to my top suspects though

 

   

 

Anyways, AbT didn't target anyone last night.

 

makes sense he didnt, i mean if he did, that would verify he is the sk.  and he wanted u to track him to "clear him" 

 

so since u tracked him and he didnt do anything he could claim he's not the sk, but of course he would not actually do anything....  just a set up in my opinion.  still think ABT is the sk.  but when kevin dies we might know for sure.  either way, im jailing abt tonight.  if hes the SK he cant kill, and if he's town, im protecting him, so win win

[SeaBeeGipson]

I can only claim what was given to me.

Mark my words,this is the moment where the town loses the game.

 

(Humor intended.  At least we won't be losing a power role when I get lynched)

Its not you, it's our overabundant racism. 

Is Kevin at L-1? 

[brewersalliance]

I dont think so, I unvoted because we were getting dangerously close to ending the day only a couple hours in lol 

can we get a vote count?

[DarkFox]

I'm not desperate to lynch Kevin. I simply drew attention to stuff in your post that it was legitimate to draw attention to. Kevin is doing a good enough job at getting lynched without my help lawl. But perhaps I'm just confused here: what is the misconception that was cleared up?

 

 

I was under the impression that the only way someone could be investigated as guilty when they are on the town's side is if a framer was in play, so I thought that since I blocked Kevin he couldn't be the framer since he couldn't frame ABT that night. 

[The Warrior]

 

 

@TW: Can a framer target himself (or herself) to be investigated innocently by a cop?

 

 

A Framer cannot self-target. A Tailor would be allowed to self-target.

 

 

Vote Count

 

KevinH (3): Rhizoctonia, Yehom, Kitkat16

Ali bin Turban (1): KevinH

Brewersalliance (0):

Darkfox (0):

Jazzy95 (0):

Kitkat16 (0):

Lachiton (0):

Mandarijn (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

SeaBeeGipson (0):

Yehom (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

 

Not Voting: Ali bin Turban, Brewersalliance, Darkfox, Jazzy95, Lachiton, Mandarijn, SeaBeeGipson

 

With 11 players alive it takes 6 to lynch or 3 at deadline.

Deadline is 1:00pm CST on Monday, June 18th.

 

Currently in danger of mod-kill:

[Ali bin Turban]

 

makes sense he didnt, i mean if he did, that would verify he is the sk.  and he wanted u to track him to "clear him" 

 

so since u tracked him and he didnt do anything he could claim he's not the sk, but of course he would not actually do anything....  just a set up in my opinion.  still think ABT is the sk.  but when kevin dies we might know for sure.  either way, im jailing abt tonight.  if hes the SK he cant kill, and if he's town, im protecting him, so win win

 

Almost a win win. If KevinH turns out to be framer that will mean Rhizo's lying (because he wouldn't be able to get guilty result then), but I realize there will be no hard proof for that and jailing me will be the best option for you.

 

However if KevinH is not a framer (and most probably he wont be) I suggest you jail one of other suspects, because jailing me won't save my ass (killer can still target SBG and take out both of us). Secondly, the moment Rhizo announced yesterday that he will investigate me, it was obvious I'll be also targeted by a framer, so we couldn't expect any other result, but guilty. Now Rhizo's announcing he'll investigate me again and if we leave kitkat/yehom unblocked we risk framer slipping through and skewing the result again.

 

And if you say a tracker on me was good enough to stop me from doing anything, then why not keep tracking?

 

Finally I think DarkFox should block Kitkat and you should block me or Yehom (whomever you like better). The reason for that is it would be strange for KevinH / Yehom to RC the same roles (both claiming bulletproof) if they were in the same team. If there's SK around surely Yehom has much higher chances (than Kitkat) to be the one. That means Kitkat is most probably holding Framer role and leaving him allone would be risky.

 

 

I don't think there's a SK in this game, seeing we have had no night with 2 kills (except when Ali killed Canik). So it's very unlikely Mafia and the SK weren't able to kill on 2+ nights. Except if the Mafia is for example Even and the SK is uneven (or the other way around)...

n1 we had no kills.  idk what happened there

n2 just one kill, but I blocked ABT.  if he was the SK i would have stopped the kill

n3 no kills, but lach did heal me.  so that could have stopped a kill. 

n4 two kills. 

n5 no kills.  if there were two, it would have 100% confirmed the SK, which the sk would not want to do.  And kevinH was role blocked, thus potentially blocking a kill

 

Plus, there is a chance we have bulletproof scum.  so that could have blocked a SK kill.  so we cant count out the possibility of a sk 

 

It's actually unknown if you successfully jailed me on N2 (unless you got confirmation from TW that your action connected), since you were roleblocked the same night by DarkFox. Fluff does not tell that you stopped Charizard that night, only that they struggled for a moment (and then he was called back by Ash).

[brewersalliance]

It's actually unknown if you successfully jailed me on N2 (unless you got confirmation from TW that your action connected), since you were roleblocked the same night by DarkFox. Fluff does not tell that you stopped Charizard that night, only that they struggled for a moment (and then he was called back by Ash).

 

 

I forgot he said he rb'd me.  If he did, the I did not block you n2, as i would have been blocked myself

And if you say a tracker on me was good enough to stop me from doing anything, then why not keep tracking?

 

 

because I am going to jail you.  so if jazzy were to track you, he wouldnt get any info since you would be role blocked, and cant do anything.  so even if you are the sk and target someone he wouldnt know, and it would be a waste of his role.    he can track someone else and hopefully hit paydirt.  

 

even if youre not the sk, me being on you is better than jazzy, because if youre towm, ill be protecting you as well as blocking you ( and potentially protecting town)