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[Tony Maurice]

Vote brewers?

[Ferastical]

Wow, brewers dodged question, scum tell.

 

Wait, which question?

[Lyner]

 

Right now we have 4 lynch chances ( we lose after 5th misslynch). First lynches ( assuming randomness ) have around 20% of finding scums. All that means we have following options: - no lynch today, lynch tomorrow + 2 night investigations = 38% of finding scum. 2 lynch chances left ( if we misslynch) - lynch today, lynch tomorrow + 2 night investigations = 50% of finding scum. 2 lynch chances left ( if we misslynch both times) - no lynch, no lynch + 2 night investigations = 20% of finding scum. 3 lynch chances left And I think this solves the mystery of why those experienced players were choosing to lynch every time on d1.

 

Now you're just not listening   

Lynching CAN NOT be boiled down to just basic numbers. There are human minds at play. There are going to be biased posts, fake claims, "scum tells" and much more flying all around the place. Lynching here is never totally random. You really want to go forward with this? Fine then, let's get a random machine-generator thingy to organize the actual random lynching. Wait, the scum doesn't want that, since they now don't have the possibility to talk themselves out of getting lynched anymore? Duh. Not only that, I'm very much guessing not every townie wishes to sacrifice themselves to this playstyle. It would be a total outrage. So outta here with that randomness poppycock.   

 

If we go D1 lynch, I'll totally support random lynching

[Tony Maurice]

 

 

Right now we have 4 lynch chances ( we lose after 5th misslynch). First lynches ( assuming randomness ) have around 20% of finding scums. All that means we have following options: - no lynch today, lynch tomorrow + 2 night investigations = 38% of finding scum. 2 lynch chances left ( if we misslynch) - lynch today, lynch tomorrow + 2 night investigations = 50% of finding scum. 2 lynch chances left ( if we misslynch both times) - no lynch, no lynch + 2 night investigations = 20% of finding scum. 3 lynch chances left And I think this solves the mystery of why those experienced players were choosing to lynch every time on d1.

 

Now you're just not listening   

Lynching CAN NOT be boiled down to just basic numbers. There are human minds at play. There are going to be biased posts, fake claims, "scum tells" and much more flying all around the place. Lynching here is never totally random. You really want to go forward with this? Fine then, let's get a random machine-generator thingy to organize the actual random lynching. Wait, the scum doesn't want that, since they now don't have the possibility to talk themselves out of getting lynched anymore? Duh. Not only that, I'm very much guessing not every townie wishes to sacrifice themselves to this playstyle. It would be a total outrage. So outta here with that randomness poppycock.   

 

If we go D1 lynch, I'll totally support random lynching

 

Brewers random lynch

[lilweirdward]

@Ferastical, I don't know what your strategy is if it's not to play the game but also not to rely on the JOATs. You're talking about essentially playing like the JOATs aren't there, and if they give extra information then great, otherwise we need to win this on our own (I agree!); however you're also saying we shouldn't lynch anyone today because we don't have enough information to make a good lynch. So, I'm genuinely asking and not trying to trick you or anything: what information will we get tomorrow by no lynching that we don't have today? All we'll know is that a townie is dead, but that won't tell us much of anything. We surprisingly have a lot of posts in this game, but you're right that anyone can post - I've been one of the top posters in every game I've played and was scum in like half of them so far - so you have to be REALLY good to read scumminess that way, and there are too many people that won't post much anyway.

The reason lynching is advantageous from a town perspective, beyond the obvious of it being our only way to kill mafia and win, is that it gives us the most information to go off of in terms of who's playing like they're genuinely trying to scum hunt, and who's only pretending to because they are scum. AbT and Tony caught me in one of the other games because we lynched a townie, and my supposed townie reasons for doing so had enough holes to have a decent chance of being scummy. Obviously you're right that mafia will push back and make up excuses, but the whole point of games like this is to win by reading through the lies to find the mafia. How do we even get anyone to lie if we don't do anything?

If I'm missing something then I'm happy to learn. I just genuinely don't understand what you're waiting for or what your plan is for tomorrow.

[Ferastical]

@Ferastical, I don't know what your strategy is if it's not to play the game but also not to rely on the JOATs. You're talking about essentially playing like the JOATs aren't there, and if they give extra information then great, otherwise we need to win this on our own (I agree!); however you're also saying we shouldn't lynch anyone today because we don't have enough information to make a good lynch. So, I'm genuinely asking and not trying to trick you or anything: what information will we get tomorrow by no lynching that we don't have today? All we'll know is that a townie is dead, but that won't tell us much of anything. We surprisingly have a lot of posts in this game, but you're right that anyone can post - I've been one of the top posters in every game I've played and was scum in like half of them so far - so you have to be REALLY good to read scumminess that way, and there are too many people that won't post much anyway.

The reason lynching is advantageous from a town perspective, beyond the obvious of it being our only way to kill mafia and win, is that it gives us the most information to go off of in terms of who's playing like they're genuinely trying to scum hunt, and who's only pretending to because they are scum. AbT and Tony caught me in one of the other games because we lynched a townie, and my supposed townie reasons for doing so had enough holes to have a decent chance of being scummy. Obviously you're right that mafia will push back and make up excuses, but the whole point of games like this is to win by reading through the lies to find the mafia. How do we even get anyone to lie if we don't do anything?

If I'm missing something then I'm happy to learn. I just genuinely don't understand what you're waiting for or what your plan is for tomorrow.

 

Alright, so it took a lot of convincing. Congrats. I guess I was living in the illusion that we could win this with losing as little townies as possible. And thanks, by the way, sometimes I get too stubborn that I can't see what's obvious   

 

Unvote: No Lynch

 

Lynching is the only thing guaranteed to be in the hands of the town. Less lynching = free kills for scum

 

I guess I've always wanted to seem as townie/neutral as possible. Time to finally step out of my comfort zone.

 

Vote: Brewersalliance

 

If we go D1 lynch, I'll totally support random lynching

 

Actually, yeah, since we keep on going about 20% chance of catching scum, let's make that so. Kevin, is it possible? 

[Ali bin Turban]

Ferastical Ive feeling you dont understand what Im writting about. Mafia is a numbers game and those numbers show us that if we wait, then most probably we'll be waiting for nothing.

Sooner or later we'll have to start lynching and whether we do it on D2 or D3, it will still be as random as on D1, because we will know nothing (unless that 20% lucky shot happens).
Only difference is that if we do not start today we'll loose one misslynch chance.

This is not a game with strong roles, where we no lynch on D1 and on D2 KevinH posts "someone knows something". This is a game where we know nothing and the fate of the town is in the hands of vanila peasants mob.

[Torres951]

Can someone give a good recap as to what happened?

[Lyner]

 

If we go D1 lynch, I'll totally support random lynching

 

Actually, yeah, since we keep on going about 20% chance of catching scum, let's make that so. Kevin, is it possible? 

 

Please don't ask Kevin to be our random generator, I have a bad experience with it

 

Yes Kevin I'm still salty about that 5 year old game

 

 

 

@Rafay and @Wolfpack, where are you guys?

[The Warrior]

Can someone give a good recap as to what happened?

 

Brewers: *Looks at games on record* The pros are lynching on day 1 in this format and losing ~73% of the time. Can't believe I'm saying this but we should vote no lynch.

Most people: Vote no lynch and hope town JOAT's get lucky.

ABT: We aren't pros so we should ignore that sample.

Ferastical: Here's a long strategy.

Brewers: Our town isn't smart enough to go through with that.

LWW: Lynch.

Tony: *Throws out random name just because* Vote for them.

Ferastical: I give up. Vote Brewers.

 

I'd say that about does it.

[KevinH]

Vote Count:
brewersalliance (4): Lilweirdward, Torres951, Tony Maurice, Ferastical,
Finster Baby (1): Robert2424,
Robert2424 (1): Finster Baby,
Rafay (1): Ali bin Turban,
Lilweirdward (0): 
Ali bin Turban (0):
Ferastical (0):
ghaws (0):
Lord MK (0):
Lyner (0):
The Warrior (0):
Tony Maurice (0):
Torres951 (0):
Velocity (0):
Wolfpacks (0):

No Lynch (4): brewersalliance, Lord MK, Velocity, ghaws,

Not Voting: Lyner, Rafay, The Warrior, Wolfpacks

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch or 4 at deadline.
Deadline is Monday, August 24 at noon EDT.

[Finster Baby]

Ok I have no clue what's going on here.

 

UNVOTE

 

I lean towards No Lynch.

[Ali bin Turban]

Can someone give a good recap as to what happened?

 
Brewers: *Looks at games on record* The pros are lynching on day 1 in this format and losing ~73% of the time. Can't believe I'm saying this but we should vote no lynch.
Most people: Vote no lynch and hope town JOAT's get lucky.
ABT: We aren't pros so we should ignore that sample.
Ferastical: Here's a long strategy.
Brewers: Our town isn't smart enough to go through with that.
LWW: Lynch.
Tony: *Throws out random name just because* Vote for them.
Ferastical: I give up. Vote Brewers.
 
I'd say that about does it.

I can see why famous people hate journalists. During interview they say one thing, but then in the newspaper something entirely different is published.

[Ferastical]

I can see why famous people hate journalists. During interview they say one thing, but then in the newspaper something entirely different is published.

 

lol

[Torres951]

 

Can someone give a good recap as to what happened?

 

Brewers: *Looks at games on record* The pros are lynching on day 1 in this format and losing ~73% of the time. Can't believe I'm saying this but we should vote no lynch.

Most people: Vote no lynch and hope town JOAT's get lucky.

ABT: We aren't pros so we should ignore that sample.

Ferastical: Here's a long strategy.

Brewers: Our town isn't smart enough to go through with that.

LWW: Lynch.

Tony: *Throws out random name just because* Vote for them.

Ferastical: I give up. Vote Brewers.

 

I'd say that about does it.

 

Thank you!

 

Unvote

[lilweirdward]

Can someone give a good recap as to what happened?

Brewers: *Looks at games on record* The pros are lynching on day 1 in this format and losing ~73% of the time. Can't believe I'm saying this but we should vote no lynch.
Most people: Vote no lynch and hope town JOAT's get lucky.
ABT: We aren't pros so we should ignore that sample.
Ferastical: Here's a long strategy.
Brewers: Our town isn't smart enough to go through with that.
LWW: Lynch.
Tony: *Throws out random name just because* Vote for them.
Ferastical: I give up. Vote Brewers.

I'd say that about does it.

Very interesting that you distilled literally all of the nuance out of the argument against no lynch, but basically quoted brewers' full explanation for why we should NL. Makes you think...

[brewersalliance]

Wait why are we voting to Lynch me for no reason lol

This makes zero sense. Lol

Vote brewers?

Why?

Wow, brewers dodged question, scum tell.

What question?
And as for LWW... Yeah I'm not playing in games u sign up in any more

I'm tired of the vote Brewer's every single day thing you have been doing FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE of lynching me because I've never been lynched. This is now three straight games. And for some retarded reason you have gotten people to go along with it.

I'm tired of it

[Lord MK]

Can someone give a good recap as to what happened?

Brewers: *Looks at games on record* The pros are lynching on day 1 in this format and losing ~73% of the time. Can't believe I'm saying this but we should vote no lynch.
Most people: Vote no lynch and hope town JOAT's get lucky.
ABT: We aren't pros so we should ignore that sample.
Ferastical: Here's a long strategy.
Brewers: Our town isn't smart enough to go through with that.
LWW: Lynch.
Tony: *Throws out random name just because* Vote for them.
Ferastical: I give up. Vote Brewers.

I'd say that about does it.

Very interesting that you distilled literally all of the nuance out of the argument against no lynch, but basically quoted brewers' full explanation for why we should NL. Makes you think...

Well, you would say that, of course.
You just want to kill a townie, scum.


And since you are using baseless stats to prop up your faulty Lynching crusade, i would like to rephrase what you just said, you have been scum in more than half the games you played in.
So you are the most likely scum candidate.



You are hell-bent on getting people carelessly lynched

One thing is for sure, brewers isn't on your team.
And there's a scum between either of lww and ABT.
Both of them can't be.
It's a case of "One of the scum roped the townie in."

[Lord MK]

Wait why are we voting to Lynch me for no reason lol

This makes zero sense. Lol

Vote brewers?

Why?

Wow, brewers dodged question, scum tell.

What question?
And as for LWW... Yeah I'm not playing in games u sign up in any more

I'm tired of the vote Brewer's every single day thing you have been doing FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE of lynching me because I've never been lynched. This is now three straight games. And for some retarded reason you have gotten people to go along with it.

I'm tired of it

I know right?.
Lww and Torres are just annoying me with their baseless reasons for Lynching or killing people.

Lww votes for you solely to get you lynched, cause you haven't been lynched.
Torres kills me, cause it's somehow funny to him.
And also for some reason, killing TW is fun too

I mean, grow up, it's really annoying to get all excited for a game and then get killed for some of the shittiest reasons ever.

[lilweirdward]

And as for LWW... Yeah I'm not playing in games u sign up in any more

I'm tired of the vote Brewer's every single day thing you have been doing FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE of lynching me because I've never been lynched. This is now three straight games. And for some retarded reason you have gotten people to go along with it.

I'm tired of it

Don't be so dramatic, ya big baby. I specifically said I would vote for the first person who voted to no lynch at the very beginning of the game, and then you were the first person to do it, so I followed through on my promise. I haven't advocated for anyone else to vote for you, and whatever joke I made in another game has zero impact on how I'm playing this game. I get being annoyed at so many people voting for you for no real reason, but I'm not the person to be taking your frustration out on.

Well, you would say that, of course.
You just want to kill a townie, scum.


And since you are using baseless stats to prop up your faulty Lynching crusade, i would like to rephrase what you just said, you have been scum in more than half the games you played in.
So you are the most likely scum candidate.



You are hell-bent on getting people carelessly lynched

One thing is for sure, brewers isn't on your team.
And there's a scum between either of lww and ABT.
Both of them can't be.
It's a case of "One of the scum roped the townie in."

You do know that's not how it works, right? Technically you've been scum more times than I have since I started playing (tiger king, dawn of justice, and feast for crows), so I guess that actually makes you the most likely suspect then?

I know right?.
Lww and Torres are just annoying me with their baseless reasons for Lynching or killing people.

Lww votes for you solely to get you lynched, cause you haven't been lynched.
Torres kills me, cause it's somehow funny to him.
And also for some reason, killing TW is fun too

I mean, grow up, it's really annoying to get all excited for a game and then get killed for some of the shittiest reasons ever.

For someone who got all up in arms about brewers not reading your posts, you sure do a good job of accusing me of things I never said without reading anything I posted. Try going back to page 1 where I specifically said I'd vote for the first person to vote no lynch, and then tell me who the first person to do it was. Then read my next post, and show me where I said anything about brewers not being lynched before. Go ahead, I'll wait.