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[brewersalliance]

(got an 11-page google doc if anyone is masochistic enough to want to read it lol)

lol at least now I'm pretty sure you're not part of mafia

Wrapping it all up, I've never done town/scum points before but it's helpful here: +1 town point to Tony for lots of real effort (not just "trying" but actual town-helpful posts) +1 scum point to brewers for not contributing anything meaningful D2 +1 scum point to Tony for inconsistent actions (RCing to know I'm town N0, but being suspicious of me D2) +1 scum point to Tony for inconsistent story (changing story about results received, and contradicting mod's confirmed rules) Legitimately torn here, but there are too many serious holes in Tony's RC for me. I don't know why he'd roll the dice on faking an RC just to get to the 2-2-1 setup, but right now I can't in good conscience just let them all slide.

Point 4 seems to be the most suspicious to me, if I read the whole back and forth correctly:
- Tony claimed that Brewers is "mafia"
- Brewers claimed that cop should get "guilty/not town" result.
- Tony said he misinterpreted the result and actually got "not town" result.
All this while, MK already clarified on Day 2 that cop would get specific result, so Tony is actually right before Brewers corrected him.


I want to hear others' opinion on this

I see that in one of three ways.


• One of them lied it was mistaken about what result they were supposed to get.
• They both messed up their own ability results.
• Neither of them actually know for sure.


I find it hard to believe that even brewers would play something like the first scenario, and I think one of them is indeed the cop, so it could be that one of them got messed up.
By being badgered about his results, especially being a newer player (Tony) he could have tried to do what he felt needed to correct brewers, even though he reported correctly before. Brewers, however, wasn’t given any results on his actions (even though he should have known the cop would get those results).

It's not specified in the role PM what results I would get. It just said each night I may attempt to investigate a player and I might not get a result if I'm deactivated.

(Not quoting it word for word so I don't violate the rules)

I must have missed MKs post in game, as I had a lot going on in RL (someone stole my car, lost my phone, some drama with the gf) and I wasn't super attentive for parts of day 1 and 2. MK never PM'd me about the rule change/specifics for how I would get my results. However when I mentioned it to tony he backtracked from his result being mafia on me to his result being not town on me. Obviously if MK specified he would get a result if mafia/sk/town, he would not have back tracked on me. So it's pretty obvious tony never got any sort of result on me. If he actually got a result on me, he would have gotten a result on my alignment, and that's confirmed by the mod. So it's beyond clear now that Tony is indeed lying

[lilweirdward]

I did think it was suspicious of brewers to challenge Tony about the wrong version of what results mafia should get, but it's plausible that MK just didn't tell him about the rule change since brewers claims to have never received a result except "no result" on CoD the night he died. It is a hole and I'm not not suspicious of brewers, but there's at least a plausible explanation that doesn't involve him lying about his role claim.

On the other hand, MK has confirmed twice now that a result on N2 would have specified a clear alignment for scum - mafia or SK - which directly contradicts the claim Tony is standing by. There's no way to reconcile this except that either the mod is lying (highly, highly unlikely) or Tony's claim is not true. I just don't see a way around it.

[Ferastical]

Also, slight rule edit The Cop will return a result clearly indicating the alignment of their target, if they are successful. (Town, Mafia, Sk)

 

Wasn't sure where I saw it, but here it is. 

 

Since Tony said that his result was "Not Town", he definitely lost most of my trust right now.

[Finster Baby]

 

brewersalliance 53 (17) lilweirdward 44 (11) Tony Maurice 42 (14) Finster Baby 35 (4) -red Dontavian 34 (7) Ferastical 24 (2) - red Lyner 23 (5) -red Velocity 15 (6) - orange

 

 

Dang, that ain't good. Some people, including me, still need to make posts, so I'm going to remove my vote in case anyone wishes to hammer and get me mod killed in the process, nearly dodged that.

 

Unvote

I'm still convinced it's Brewers, though.

 

It's way too soon to hammer anyone right now.  Deadline isn't until NEXT Wednesday (the 25th)

 

We need to get this one right for sure.

[brewersalliance]

Well this game died

[Robert2424]

What I miss?

[lilweirdward]

Being replaced lol. Did MK not share your pm with Velocity or something?

[brewersalliance]

LOL

[Lyner]

Vote: Tony

 

That puts both Tony & Brewers at 3

[Tony Maurice]

My inexperience really shows and I know most of you think im scum.

 

Everything is on the table, analyse it yourself and make a decision, I just hope it doesn't put the noose around my neck. 

 

I am the cop and brewers is mafia. You'll see it if he is lynched. Otherwise, I am sorry for the trouble I caused if I'm lynched. 

[Tony Maurice]

And please remember, if I was scum I would have no reason to push brewers like that. If he was the actual cop I would have been lynched the very next day. 

[Lyner]

My inexperience really shows and I know most of you think im scum.

 

Everything is on the table, analyse it yourself and make a decision, I just hope it doesn't put the noose around my neck. 

 

I am the cop and brewers is mafia. You'll see it if he is lynched. Otherwise, I am sorry for the trouble I caused if I'm lynched. 

 

I'm still undecided actually, so if you can actually counter lww's arguments that would be good

 

Especially:

1. Comments on these:

 but then in D2 says that my actions are "highly suspicious." It's possible that he just forgot in the moment about what he knew about me, and he did seem to take his suspicion away just a few posts later, but this action directly contradicts his RC

2. What's the actual result you receive in your PM last night? 

[Tony Maurice]

1. The latter part of LWWs claim is true. When I remembered my investigation I tried to take away anyone elses belief I thought he was suspicious in my next post here.

 

2. Out of all the confusion, yes I did get brewers as mafia. When I made my post it was a while after I read the result so I just put what i remembered- he was mafia. Then brewers started confusing me saying I wouldn't get a factional result so I posted that he was still not town. THen I check my PM and realise it says mafia. Well at that point I am in until LWW points out the hole in my story, I just play a long because I thought at the time the change would be too suspicious. Well now I realise, I just want to tell the truth. Town can see it as is and realise what I did is suspicious, I just ask for your trust. I was just trying to convince everyone I am the cop and that brewers is scum which is true. 

[Tony Maurice]

Anything else you need, I am ready. 

[Lord MK]

Vote Count

Brewersalliance (3): Dontavian, Tony, Velocity
Tony Maurice (3): Brewers, lww, Limey
Velocity (1): Baby
Ferastical (0):
Lyner (0):
lilweirdward (0):
Dontavian (0):
Finster Baby (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Ferastical

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch or 3 at deadline.
Deadline is Wednesday, November 25 at 0000 UTC.

[Tony Maurice]

Also ferastical please remember: I saved your life this game. 

 

I had the chance to end day 1 early with at least one death to mod kills. Nobody would have batted an eye because of my previous behaviours. If I remember correctly I was even encouraged to end the day. Please remember I saved your life Ferastical and do me a solid back when the time comes!

[Finster Baby]

While I still think that Velocity is the SK, I think that we need to move this along.

 

UNVOTE

 

VOTE:  Tony Maurice

[Lyner]

Ok I think I can believe that

2. Out of all the confusion, yes I did get brewers as mafia. When I made my post it was a while after I read the result so I just put what i remembered- he was mafia. Then brewers started confusing me saying I wouldn't get a factional result so I posted that he was still not town. THen I check my PM and realise it says mafia. Well at that point I am in until LWW points out the hole in my story, I just play a long because I thought at the time the change would be too suspicious. Well now I realise, I just want to tell the truth. Town can see it as is and realise what I did is suspicious, I just ask for your trust. I was just trying to convince everyone I am the cop and that brewers is scum which is true. 

Ok I can somehow believe this

 

Unvote

[Ferastical]

I mean, what Tony is saying is believable. I did a bold claim in a game once, people believed me, so, I think I want to return the favour.

 

Vote -> Brewersalliance

 

Also, as I said D2, I'm super not comfortable with Lyner and Brewers being on the same wagon.

 

I had the chance to end day 1 early with at least one death to mod kills. Nobody would have batted an eye because of my previous behaviours. If I remember correctly I was even encouraged to end the day.

 

 

I do think someone would've minded, to be fair. Especially if the mod-killed person was a townie. And you can stop saying "I'm cop, brewers scum" in every post, I think we get it by now   

 

Alright, as I was writing this, FB changed his vote to Tony and Lyner unvoted. Huh. Makes me think.

WAIT, DID TONY JUST GET LYNCHED?

[Lyner]

I actually want to vote Brewers but I see you've been reading for awhile so I'm scared that we might accidentally end the day lol