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[Imran Ehsan]

P.S.: Imran, apparently you posted while I was busy reading back and putting together my latest wall-o-text

 

Per my post above, MK's vote appears to have a clear basis and not actually be a lol vote this time. Velocity was specifically noncommittal at the end of D2, and I believe the concept MK is pointing to is that Velocity would do that if he was scum and KNEW Kevin was town, and thus didn't want to be officially on the wagon - staying off voting anywhere at all. Brewers pointed this out and put a FoS on Velocity before D2 ended as well, for the same reason. 

 

He started D1 with a similar vote on Velocity, thats why I want to make sure. Plus unsure whether his vote on Velocity is becuase of the reasons you stated or maybe he was sharing some night action results in a round about way.

[DarkFox]

As for the flavor question about stones in the movie - Dr Strange explicitly had the Time stone in the movie, and Vision has the Mind stone. Black Widow not having a stone suggests TW is basing this game on the "first half" movie instead of Infinity War as a whole - in the first movie Thanos kills Gamora to get the Soul stone, whereas in the second movie Black Widow is sacrificed to get the Soul stone. The Reality stone is a bigger question, not sure who would be the 'owner' of that one. 

 

 

I am not positive that we can go off of the movies completely. It is quite possible TW is taking inspiration from the comics, cartoons, games and other properties as well. However if you are correct then we need to make sure whoever the Gamora player is does not reveal themselves. 

[Velocity]

I should have clarified what I meant, but I was hella tired and just wanted to get a post out the door before I fell asleep.

I thought that Kevin had acted scummy in the way he role claimed and then tried analysis on a one vote train from the guy who died, but I also felt that his intentions *were* pro-town and with nobody counter-claiming black widow I had ultimately assumed that he was town, despite his actions throughout the day. Note that I said he was acting scummy, not that I thought he was scum.

As per MK, he always tries to get me voted out when he’s town as he thinks I’m a bad player, and when he’s scum he tries to keep me alive as long as possible to manipulate me, so I honestly think he’s town as of now.

And as to who may have the stones, I would wager TW *is* using the movies as the flavor text has been closer to the movies to my knowledge (though with the order of events as it’s happened he has had to change up things a bit), so we can expect Doctor Strange (who is dead) to have (had) the Time stone, Vision to have the Mind Stone, Gamora’s death to give Thanos the Soul Stone, I think didn’t the Nova Corp have the Reality Stone? It’s been a while since I’ve gone through infinity war, so I may be wrong on that but, I’m going to presume there’s a character in this that has the Reality Stone. (Could it also be The Collector?) I believe that Thanos already had two of the six stones at the start, and now has three with the Time Stone, so we do need to be careful on that front.

[brewersalliance]

Or maybe the stones are just flavor, if the scum can kill half the people when they get the stoned then that’s beyond OP, unless there are like only two scum and thanos Is an NPC or something
While there always can be hints in flavor don’t get caught up in it. Actual gameplay and actions are so much better for scum hunting. Arguing about flavor usually is a waste of time. Sometimes small hints but that’s usually it

[Zacch]

Zacch - please explain why what Brewers said is sus to you? This statement from Brewers is basically not game related, talking about Tony as a player and the out-of-game frustration of him being killed just as he got access again - so if you think this reveals something please elaborate on what/why.

 

The false sense of sympathy reminded me of someone who commits a crime and then immediately comes out and says how bad it is that someone would do that. Almost identical to my day 1 lulz vote for jazzy, but with brewers being scum and his vote being hidden (at night) to us simple town folk.

I think brewers had tony night killed and then to throw everyone off his trail, he comes out and says how "unsportsmanlike" this was. Will be funny when we find out later that he's scum.

Or Brewers could be on to someone and this was an IRON member making sure Tony never got a fair shot to play.

Now as someone just returning to CN after 7 years away, I don't even know who tony is and could care less how he left.

But robert, DK, imran....., now thats a different story. FoS: IRON

[Preston]

I should have clarified what I meant, but I was hella tired and just wanted to get a post out the door before I fell asleep.

I thought that Kevin had acted scummy in the way he role claimed and then tried analysis on a one vote train from the guy who died, but I also felt that his intentions *were* pro-town and with nobody counter-claiming black widow I had ultimately assumed that he was town, despite his actions throughout the day. Note that I said he was acting scummy, not that I thought he was scum.

 

You previously said Kevin was acting scummy, but also held off on voting at all. Today you are saying that your 'acting scummy' statement did not mean you thought he WAS scum after all, which is a completely different impression than you gave at the end of D2. It's easier to claim this elaboration now that the wagon finished and we've seen that Kevin was telling the truth.

 

Even if the day was about to end and your vote wasn't going to move the needle on what wagon would win, taking a more solid position by voting would have let us know where you stood. If you ultimately assumed Kevin was town at the time, you could/should have voted as such. Your lack of a position gives the impression that you are scum that knew Kevin would flip town, and you wanted to not stack more scum onto the existing wagon. 

 

 

Zacch - please explain why what Brewers said is sus to you? This statement from Brewers is basically not game related, talking about Tony as a player and the out-of-game frustration of him being killed just as he got access again - so if you think this reveals something please elaborate on what/why.

 

The false sense of sympathy reminded me of someone who commits a crime and then immediately comes out and says how bad it is that someone would do that. Almost identical to my day 1 lulz vote for jazzy, but with brewers being scum and his vote being hidden (at night) to us simple town folk.

I think brewers had tony night killed and then to throw everyone off his trail, he comes out and says how "unsportsmanlike" this was. Will be funny when we find out later that he's scum.

Or Brewers could be on to someone and this was an IRON member making sure Tony never got a fair shot to play.

 

 

Okay, you have at least elaborated on your position. To make sure I understand: your theory is based on your take that Brewers' outrage feels false to you, and thus you feel it's a scum act intended to follow Brewers-as-scum having been part of killing Tony last night?

 

I still want to hear from iSoc about his end-of-D2 position against LWW. Getting more from MK would probably also be useful now that we've heard from Velocity. Jazzy also needs to post. 

 

 

Sorry everybody, I didn’t post two days ago and then I worked 11 hours yesterday at was out of the house for like 14 hours, so I didn’t have the energy or presence to post.

Barring that, I also just don’t have a lot to add. I think kevin was acting scummy, but not necessarily to a point where I’d hammer him now that he’s at 6 votes and deadline being so close. We honestly don’t have a ton of information, hopefully we’ll have more info tomorrow.

 

 

Aside: Is it just me or does the forum posting interface feel more awkward than it used to? I'd swear that last multiquote didnt show up in the preview Ah well, have an extra copy of Velocity's D2 post for comparison, I ended up not needing that as part of my main post. 

[Lord MK]

Zacch - please explain why what Brewers said is sus to you? This statement from Brewers is basically not game related, talking about Tony as a player and the out-of-game frustration of him being killed just as he got access again - so if you think this reveals something please elaborate on what/why.

The false sense of sympathy reminded me of someone who commits a crime and then immediately comes out and says how bad it is that someone would do that. Almost identical to my day 1 lulz vote for jazzy, but with brewers being scum and his vote being hidden (at night) to us simple town folk.

I think brewers had tony night killed and then to throw everyone off his trail, he comes out and says how "unsportsmanlike" this was. Will be funny when we find out later that he's scum.

Or Brewers could be on to someone and this was an IRON member making sure Tony never got a fair shot to play.

Now as someone just returning to CN after 7 years away, I don't even know who tony is and could care less how he left.

But robert, DK, imran....., now thats a different story. FoS: IRON

Now brewers is not someone who always play fair
But when it comes to situations like this, i think precedent sets his intentions as genuine


As for velocity, he was using a classic, oh he's scummy , but the deadline is so near, so why hammer and bother the mod..

He created a neutral standing ground at the very end.
If he did join Kevin's wagon, no one would have cared.
But his hesitation indicates that he knew that Kevin was not scum.
And he was probably afraid of people like Roberto who tends to jump on Hammerers (which is stupid, hammers are mostly never scum), now he might feared that this would attract attention to him.
Which he wants to avoid.

Aka, he is trying to incognito, not because he's scum, but because he is in a small team, i think 2 members or even SK, cause there's a few in infinity war who was going for their own, so it tracks.

We lynch Velocity, the other scum will start panicking and we will see it in their actions.

Also the night kill actions are particularly on historically low posters.
Which means they are afraid of tracking.
And velocity fits that profile.
He tends to play the least risky option when he is scum

[DarkFox]

Now brewers is not someone who always play fair

 

 

What do you mean about that? I don't pay attention to mafia but I don't remember hearing about him breaking rules.

[Imran Ehsan]

But robert, DK, imran....., now thats a different story. FoS: IRON

 

This would have been a potentially good theory if the scum didn't kill iSocialism on N1. If they acted for beyond this game reasons, I would say they would have taken out TM or brewers on N1, instead of another IRON member. 

Jazzy also needs to post.   

 

Another person who has been trying to avoid taking sides and staying on the sidelines. The arguments against Velocity can easily fit jazz also, which I pointed out on D2, except he did later vote for kevin. Its possible Velocity and jazz are on the same team and Velocity avoided hammering kevin because he knew his scum buddy has been forced to vote for kevin and they didnt want too many scum on the wagon.

[DarkFox]

Another person who has been trying to avoid taking sides and staying on the sidelines. The arguments against Velocity can easily fit jazz also, which I pointed out on D2, except he did later vote for kevin. Its possible Velocity and jazz are on the same team and Velocity avoided hammering kevin because he knew his scum buddy has been forced to vote for kevin and they didnt want too many scum on the wagon.

 

 

 

It feels like there are more than a couple players who aren't really participating yet and I expected to see more with during D2. We ended up lynching a townie and I didn't really see many people try and stand up for him.

 

You and Preston made good reasoning for why you voted the way you did and not Kevin.

 

Robert's logic is a little odd, and I find it strange that he did not have Kevin in the list of suspects. That said I don't think it was overly suspicious either, save for putting Tony first when he couldn't even post. 

 

I am still a little bothered about Lyner saying he was pro lynching inactives and then voting for iSocialism 1.0 when he was already dead. Dunno if it was for the lulz or not, just really (dr)strange. Lyner also again reiterated that there is scum on the wagon, which is probably correct but a odd thing to point out right away when one of the wagon was night killed

 

Jazzy said what Kevin did was strange and held off voting, but ended up voting for Kevin later. I don't really see strong evidence one way or another. 

 

 

I think the strongest lead we have currently is the fact that Tony got killed off. They specifically targeted someone on the Kevin vote. The play has me all sorts of confused. Hell Tony didn't even get a chance to talk much before they killed him, so it might also have been a personal attack and I am overthinking it.

[Velocity]

I should have clarified what I meant, but I was hella tired and just wanted to get a post out the door before I fell asleep.

I thought that Kevin had acted scummy in the way he role claimed and then tried analysis on a one vote train from the guy who died, but I also felt that his intentions *were* pro-town and with nobody counter-claiming black widow I had ultimately assumed that he was town, despite his actions throughout the day. Note that I said he was acting scummy, not that I thought he was scum.

You previously said Kevin was acting scummy, but also held off on voting at all. Today you are saying that your 'acting scummy' statement did not mean you thought he WAS scum after all, which is a completely different impression than you gave at the end of D2. It's easier to claim this elaboration now that the wagon finished and we've seen that Kevin was telling the truth.

Even if the day was about to end and your vote wasn't going to move the needle on what wagon would win, taking a more solid position by voting would have let us know where you stood. If you ultimately assumed Kevin was town at the time, you could/should have voted as such. Your lack of a position gives the impression that you are scum that knew Kevin would flip town, and you wanted to not stack more scum onto the existing wagon.

Zacch - please explain why what Brewers said is sus to you? This statement from Brewers is basically not game related, talking about Tony as a player and the out-of-game frustration of him being killed just as he got access again - so if you think this reveals something please elaborate on what/why.

The false sense of sympathy reminded me of someone who commits a crime and then immediately comes out and says how bad it is that someone would do that. Almost identical to my day 1 lulz vote for jazzy, but with brewers being scum and his vote being hidden (at night) to us simple town folk.

I think brewers had tony night killed and then to throw everyone off his trail, he comes out and says how "unsportsmanlike" this was. Will be funny when we find out later that he's scum.

Or Brewers could be on to someone and this was an IRON member making sure Tony never got a fair shot to play.

Okay, you have at least elaborated on your position. To make sure I understand: your theory is based on your take that Brewers' outrage feels false to you, and thus you feel it's a scum act intended to follow Brewers-as-scum having been part of killing Tony last night?

I still want to hear from iSoc about his end-of-D2 position against LWW. Getting more from MK would probably also be useful now that we've heard from Velocity. Jazzy also needs to post.

Sorry everybody, I didn’t post two days ago and then I worked 11 hours yesterday at was out of the house for like 14 hours, so I didn’t have the energy or presence to post.

Barring that, I also just don’t have a lot to add. I think kevin was acting scummy, but not necessarily to a point where I’d hammer him now that he’s at 6 votes and deadline being so close. We honestly don’t have a ton of information, hopefully we’ll have more info tomorrow.

Aside: Is it just me or does the forum posting interface feel more awkward than it used to? I'd swear that last multiquote didnt show up in the preview Ah well, have an extra copy of Velocity's D2 post for comparison, I ended up not needing that as part of my main post.

I’m on mobile right now so I have to quote this entire post for just the part I want lol

I don’t think that brewers’ upset at Tony dying was fake, and while he will do some nasty plays to make the town think he’s town when he’s scum, I don’t believe this is one of them. Granted, brewers is excellent and probably one of the best of all of us at making himself seem like a townie when he is scum, but for most I’m going to trust my instincts on this.

To reiterate what I posted before, I have a sneaking suspicion that MK is town as he seems to be playing much differently and less actively than when he is usually scum, and that he’s pushing to have my lynched as opposed to trying to keep me alive also says that cause he usually wants me gone as soon as possible if he’s town.

I’ve only got good feelings from Preston’s posts, he seems to be doing some good analysis on his end, and I have no reason to suspect him as of now.

While not quite a FoS, I’m going to sus everyone who complained about Tony on D2, as I see no other reason to have targeted him as of yet.

[Robert2424]

KevinH (6): Brewersalliance, lilweirdward, Darkfox, Tony Maurice, Jazzy95, Zacch

This was the wagon that that lynched Kevin. Tony was my prime suspect but was killed during N2.

That leaves us with 5. Brewers, lww, Darkfox, Jazzy, and Zacch.

There was only one kill during the night. So unless someone was somehow saved, and the doc died N1. The kill should be from scum. I say a lot percentage chance it was a vig.

So it's time to update my suspect list. There's a few odd ones. These will be in order again.

Zacch, Velocity, Lyner, Jazzy, Darkfox, MK, LWW, and Brewers.

All the others I haven't mentioned I don't have any reason to have them on the scum list really. If I was to bet there some scum off the wagon, and some on. As grouping up and acting as a unit in D2 of all days I would think is suicidal and would avoid risky wagons. (Such as the Kevin or Tony wagon. Didn't somebody off jump off the Tony wagon even though it wasn't going well either.

Zacch: it's hard to say with this man. Is he a loose cannon, dose he actually have experience playing Mafia? It makes him such a wildcard. I have no doubts Brewers is actually upset Tony was killed last night but Zacch takes random offense Brewers is upset? He is the only one doing something a bit different from the Kevin wagon is really the only plus and that's just drawing attention to him. His motives seem to be constantly changing and I have to suspect him. He was on the crappy Kevin wagon to top it off. I simply can't give him a free pass. Might it isolate me as he's the only

Velocity: tbh Lyner could be 2nd as well so I have them as a tie. Putting him before Lyner is an odd thing but I feel partially he's purposely trying to avoid the spotlight. For this he takes an edge in Lyner as he's seems a bit more methodical in it. While sure, like me he didn't buy into the crappy Kevin wagon, but I feel they were entirely different reasoning for me and I think you can only take it 2 ways. If he's town how do you, (IF YOUR ARE TOWN), plan on winning by refusing to vote? Have others get the win for you?

Lyner: he's literally all over the place. I firmly believe his skimming and wonder if he even cares about the game. His vote on ISoc 1.0 was so awkward, it's like he an insensitive college saying something about a Co-worker that died last night. His posts are very small compared to most people in the game. I'd be surprised if anyone did not at least have him somewhere on there scum list. He's either Trolling, clueless, or playing the worst scum player ever.

DarkFox: He's above Jazzy mainly probably because he's more active. I'd put them more more tied honestly. He was on the Kevin Wagon, but at least seems to be trying to helpful to town and looking at different angles, but honestly everyone should be doing this. Like Jazzy he's mainly on here because of the Kevin wagon.

Jazzy: is it his no profile picture that always wants me to treat him like a noob and always Give Jazzy the beinfite of the doubt, or just not many posts or much content to begin with? I realize I've went out of order now putting these in on my phone but many are tied so it shouldn't matter.

MK: the last holdover from my early day 1 suspect list. At least I've partially suspected him. He the first to post today with a short but impactful post voting Velocity. Is he trying to Garner townie points? Dose he want to elaborate? He's above the final two.

LWW: him and Brewers have been my biggest critics especially yesterday. Part of me wonders if this mainly because I didn't sheep over and want to lynch Kevin. I'm not saying it was the best claim or anything. But one he felt forced to. With that being the basis on why people latched on him as they felt it was enough in a lack of evidence but arguing it was the best. Compounding from yesterday the fact Tony died he puts a vote on me. I'm glad you think I'm just going to shoot as scum in my position. Instead of shooting someone that pull and make myself look more town instead I'm taken as someone who wants to literally jump in an oven. Sure. Really probably be my first choice or Isoc 1.0. now I'm sure your wonder, damn, why isn't LWW higher on my list? Is it simply cause they are purposely gunning for me? Or is there something behind the scenes? He even dropped in the suspect order from yesterday after the Kevin Lynch happened. I can't rule them out, but I feel a small bit better about him then Yesterday.

Brewers: it's no secret I believe Brewers dislikes me. Though I enjoy pissing him off I was a Vig to shoot and kill Tony but isn't my style. I personally have believed since the beginning if Brewers was part of the scum team, he'd want to have me killed within the first two nights. But I'm still here. So either.....he's not scum and just a very agressive but ineffective townie, or......he's on the scum team and would rather Lynch me as that may be more of a victory over me somehow. But he didn't come right out the gates either to vote on me D3. And Brewers dosen't care if he's in the spotlight or not. But he has to now be in the scum list as he was on the crappy Kevin wagon and I don't see him going after anyone on the Kevin wagon. As that in a way, will say he was wrong. So in combination he's on here cause he has to be. Maybe a bit of combination of several things. But if Brewers was scum......I could seem him as a partner to LWW. Just saying as an impression they've given me.

Everyone else I've haven't hade enough to put them on my scum list. If that lack of content, or actual reasoning.

Therefore. I'm going to work down my list. If it puts me more in the spotlight. So be it as it might look like im going partially crazy voting for him.

VOTE ZACCH

Probably one of my longest posts in awhile. Hopefully there isn't too many Grammer errors in all of that. I don't believe my thoughts were conjumbled.

[The Warrior]

Vote Count
 

Velocity (1): Lord MK

Brewersalliance (1): Zacch

Robert2424 (1): lilweirdward

Zacch (1): Robert2424

Darkfox (0):

Imran Ehsan (0):

iSocialism2.0 (0):

Jazzy95 (0):

lilweirdward (0):

Lord MK (0):

Lyner (0):

Preston (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

 

Not Voting: Brewersalliance, Darkfox, Imran Ehsan, iSocialism2.0, Jazzy95, Lyner, Preston, Velocity

 

With 12 players alive it takes 6 to lynch or 3 at deadline.
Deadline will be at 5:00PM CN Server time on Saturday, August 27th.

[Jazzy95]

I’ve been traveling all weekend, I’ll catch up and post thoughts tomorrow.

[brewersalliance]

been super busy but ill read up later

 

for now I want to address this

 

Brewers: it's no secret I believe Brewers dislikes me. Though I enjoy pissing him off I was a Vig to shoot and kill Tony but isn't my style. I personally have believed since the beginning if Brewers was part of the scum team, he'd want to have me killed within the first two nights. But I'm still here. So either.....he's not scum and just a very agressive but ineffective townie, or......he's on the scum team and would rather Lynch me as that may be more of a victory over me somehow. But he didn't come right out the gates either to vote on me D3. And Brewers dosen't care if he's in the spotlight or not. But he has to now be in the scum list as he was on the crappy Kevin wagon and I don't see him going after anyone on the Kevin wagon. As that in a way, will say he was wrong. So in combination he's on here cause he has to be. Maybe a bit of combination of several things. But if Brewers was scum......I could seem him as a partner to LWW. Just saying as an impression they've given me.

 

I dont dislike you robert lol i disliked how you played for roughly a year or two where every single night action you did was targeting me and you basically only voted me.  thats what I didnt like lol  i wasnt on the kevin wagon i started it. lol give me credit

 

Robert is trying hard to make it sound like being on Kevins wagon= scum.... we dont know if a signle scum was even on the wagon.  Robert also instantly tied himself to kevin, when kevin voted tony.  That is a typical scum move/tell- tie yourself to a townie.    and robert is acting like what kevin did was normal town behavior.  Lets be real, kevin randomly role claiming for no reason was not a typical town move.  it was very scummy of him to do so.  Robert keeps calling out the wagon as crappy and stuff, when in reality, kevin being voted made sense for his actions.  only way to know he was town to the degree robert is being is if you are scum.

 

big FoS on robert.  ill go through all the other posts later but robert feels like the most scummy to me and will probably get my vote

 

In before he screams OMGUS

[Zacch]

Zacch: it's hard to say with this man. Is he a loose cannon, dose he actually have experience playing Mafia? It makes him such a wildcard. I have no doubts Brewers is actually upset Tony was killed last night but Zacch takes random offense Brewers is upset? He is the only one doing something a bit different from the Kevin wagon is really the only plus and that's just drawing attention to him. His motives seem to be constantly changing and I have to suspect him. He was on the crappy Kevin wagon to top it off. I simply can't give him a free pass. Might it isolate me as he's the only

 

A lot of people were on the Kevin wagon, I didn't understand why he would do what he did and agreed with the arguments being made against him. I acknowledge I am a wildcard and ultimately wouldn't fault someone for picking me. But we all know its very unlikely that I would draw scum and if I did, I would surely be a lot more discrete about it.

 

I'm not convinced about brewers but will take everyone's word that he is being genuine for now. 

 

The Iron wagon was admittedly a stab in the dark, it could make sense but Imran correctly pointed out N1. Still that doesn't rule it out.

[lilweirdward]

Sorry, I've been following the game in email but I've had a busy weekend and haven't been able to log on and post. Going to dig up a few old posts that stuck out to me.

I get it, you didn't agree with my reasoning but dosen't make it no reasoning. You want my honest opinion. It was dumb to lynch Kevin. We lost an active townie who I (AGAIN) would of done the same exact thing in his position. If you can't understand that I can't help you. Or maybe skim my posts more.

Wait, so you would have claimed a single action that gave town zero information but implicated yourself in having visited the person who was night killed, then tried to start a lynch train on someone because of a single lol vote, then abandoned it and pushed for no lynch as a last ditch attempt to save yourself? And...that's something that town would have done? Sorry, I just don't buy it at all. I mean clearly Kevin just played badly and then didn't know how to get himself out of his own hole (and even dug it further a few times), but that was extremely not obvious yesterday, and I think it's disingenuous to make it seem like everyone should have figured that out.

Well cant say I am surprised kevin turned out to be town. It is unfortunate people piled on him without giving him a chance to prove himself. I am thinking there is at least 1 if not 2 scum on the kevin wagon. They couldnt afford to give kevin the chance to prove his ability and be a confirmed townie.

This is a dangerous mindset if you're town. Ignoring the fact that a Voyeur is not the easiest role claim for town to prove anyway, he easily could have been a mafia voyeur with a safe claim, so proving his role would not have confirmed him as town. This game is probably a role madness game, and you can bet that scum will try to come up with role claims that make town think they should avoid lynching them. We can't let people off the hook for blatantly scummy actions just because they made a claim that we can't disprove.

LWW starting a wagon on Robert is interesting. If I read this right, you're basing it on the same kind of logic for Velocity - that he was acting with guilty knowledge that Kevin was actually town - but then adding that Tony being killed makes Robert MORE likely because of personality? I don't know Robert enough to judge the merits of whether he's that petty, but that second half feels out-of-game.

It's not personality, it's the fact that he said multiple times in D2 that he thinks Tony should have mod killed or replaced, and complained when he was allowed back in the game. He made it pretty clear that he didn't want Tony to be playing (seemingly for OOC reasons) and I think that makes him more suspicious given that Tony was killed the following night. As everyone has pointed out, there is no real reason that Tony should have been killed - if anything, there were reasons for mafia to keep him alive - so I don't think that Robert's stated motives should be ignored, especially in context of him trying to tie himself to Kevin so hard.

I thought that Kevin had acted scummy in the way he role claimed and then tried analysis on a one vote train from the guy who died, but I also felt that his intentions *were* pro-town and with nobody counter-claiming black widow I had ultimately assumed that he was town, despite his actions throughout the day. Note that I said he was acting scummy, not that I thought he was scum.

This makes no sense to me. How could you tell that he's not scum if you also thought he was acting scummy?

Another person who has been trying to avoid taking sides and staying on the sidelines. The arguments against Velocity can easily fit jazz also, which I pointed out on D2, except he did later vote for kevin. Its possible Velocity and jazz are on the same team and Velocity avoided hammering kevin because he knew his scum buddy has been forced to vote for kevin and they didnt want too many scum on the wagon.

Yeah this is actually a smart observation and I noticed it too, at least in terms of jazzy reluctantly joining the wagon after a bit of pressure to vote.

Probably one of my longest posts in awhile. Hopefully there isn't too many Grammer errors in all of that. I don't believe my thoughts were conjumbled.

They weren't jumbled, but tbh it all felt like faux scum hunting to me. An attempt to seem to be putting a ton of energy into making lists and analyzing play, but in reality, all of the analysis was very superficial, imho. I mean part of your reasoning for suspecting jazzy was that he doesn't have a profile picture, and in your reasoning for darkfox, you just listed a lot of pro town behavior lol. It could just be bad analysis, but it doesn't make me less suspicious of you.

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Well, that was Preston levels of a lot of text lol. I'll try to post more actively now that the weekend is over.

[DarkFox]

Well, that was Preston levels of a lot of text lol. I'll try to post more actively now that the weekend is over.

 

That's im-Preston 

[Imran Ehsan]

his is a dangerous mindset if you're town. Ignoring the fact that a Voyeur is not the easiest role claim for town to prove anyway, he easily could have been a mafia voyeur with a safe claim, so proving his role would not have confirmed him as town. This game is probably a role madness game, and you can bet that scum will try to come up with role claims that make town think they should avoid lynching them. We can't let people off the hook for blatantly scummy actions just because they made a claim that we can't disprove.

 

Voyeur is a very pro-town role to me. Cant say I have played any game where the scum had voyeur ability. It is much more helpful for the townies because a Voyeur can actually confirm or contradict fake claims by townies/scum. But Kevin really played terribly with this role. He not only claimed for pretty much no reason and then put his vote on someone who could not even defend himself at that point, his choice of night target was kind of strange also. A town voyeur should target someone who is likely to get a lot of action on him, instead he chose iSoc who was very inactive. 

[Imran Ehsan]

I hit post before I finished. So I will continue....

 

So anyway, because of the bad play by kevin I am not really pushing for hunting scum on the kevin wagon right now, but I am not counting them out as well, it is much more likely that the people who joined on the kevin wagon later is scum than the ones who jumped on kevin early.

 

Roberts vote on kevin on D2 was pretty suspicious as well. He pretty much jumped on the TM wagon like 30 minutes after kevin voted for him (yes I went back and checked). He was also pushing very strongly and vocally for lynching TM with some even out-of-game reasons. But I am hesistant to get on his wagon yet because this may be exactly what the scum wanted by killing TM in N2 instead of someone who was not on the kevin wagon. Why would robert and hs scum bussies kill someone who will make robert look very scummy while also killing someone on the kevin wagon. It doesnt add up.

 

I will wait for jazz's view on things before I decide which way to go.