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[Lyner]

iSoc2 gets a blithe pass with "Inactive lol"... why is he just being allowed to skate by unchallenged by seemingly everyone?

 

 

It's a tough situation, it's easier to dig more by engaging with active players. Which is why I always advocate for lynching the inactives early in the game. I'm all for pressuring him to be more active.

 

If Velocity is scum why hasn't anyone come out and disputed his name claim.

Mafia side could be given safe name claims

 

need more time to think of Imran

[Preston]

Doing this in steps, but for now have an unofficial vote count

 

Brewersalliance (0): Imran Ehsan

Darkfox (0):

Imran Ehsan (0): 

iSocialism2.0 (0): Brewersalliance, Zacch

Lord MK (0):

Lyner (0):

Preston (0):

Robert2424 (0): Lord MK

Velocity (0):

Zacch (0): 

 

Votes In Order

MK -> Robert

Brewers -> Imran

Brewers -> Robert

Imran -> Brewers

Brewers -> Imran

Zacch -> Brewers

Zacch -> Imran

 

Correct me if I missed anything. 

[DarkFox]

Is there a scum role where if you investigate them they kill the investigator? 

[Robert2424]

I like how I come across as "grumpy". I could be seriously grumpy if I wanted to be. I mainly state facts. Going full grumpy maybe I should just vote for Brewers till people wise up and just lynch him. "Dulusions". The argument of somebody who lost exhausted everything he has and lost the argument.

Preston again posted allot but no vote?

Zacch flips flops more then Brewers now.

Lyner standing in the sidelines.

Isoc is MIA.

DarkFox is being extra cautious.

MK and Brewers now being themselves.

Imran trying to goat me voting Brewers I think.

So therefore. Fuck all you guys and being useless.

VOTE ISOC

Wakey wakey, participate in the game, no free ride for scum not wanting to participate. I'll go down my list of not committal people worse offenders to greatest. Isoc, then Lyner, to Darkfox, to Preston.

Is there a scum role where if you investigate them they kill the investigator? 

as far as I know. No.

[Preston]

Even at this hour after doing CN update attacks, people are posting! Let's handle these few and get current...

 

@preston, on mobile so can’t quote you’re thing about the tells but the scum tell is called look at me im so town, or congratulating the doctor. It’s a very common scum tell for a scum player to make a comment about the night kills- pointing out how bad it is that the cop died or saying good job if a kill is blocked. Anyone who is actually town knows it’s bad the cop died or good the kill was blocked. The only reason to say something like that is to try to highlight how u feel about the results, and make people think u are disappointed the cop died or happy the doctor blocked a kill

Per the wiki on scum tells and scum Hunting:

Day 2+ mafia errors
Gloating (any form of "complaining" about how bad the previous night was, how the doctor/cop was killed, etc.) Similar to "congratulating the doctor".

This is an interesting concept. I ended up googling "congratulating the doctor" and it took me to JEEP's Tells for Finding Mafia. I can see the logic behind some of it, but it also appears sorta thin and based on the assumption that people generally know what they're doing but also forget themselves?Where is the line between "posting it to act like town by stating the obvious" and "actual town acting like town stating the obvious"? After all my time spent reading and posting today I dont want to go back and review the beginning of every day looking for these tells, so I'll take this category of content with a grain of salt for now and try to focus on more concrete in game actions like votes, activity, and contradictions.

 

For me what seals the deal on imran being scum is how he has multiple times commented on the outcome of actions:

He states the night kicks are weird/strange. Only purpose of a statement like this is to try to make it seem like you don’t understand the kills when in fact you planned them.

He comments about the coo being killed. No shit the coo dying is bad. Again the only reason to point out how bad it is would be to try to look like a townie. If you’re actually town you don’t need to point this out.

And then sprinkle in the misleading comments he made today about me, how he defends Kevin, when only a scum player would know Kevin was actually town, and then tries to put the focus of our attention on Kevin’s wagon… which if I am town and so is dark fox (hint, we both are) then the wagon was all town… and who would know that? A scum player. Gets them a free lynch and it’s easy to do. Scum didn’t need to join Kevin’s wagon. Kevin fucked up and deserved his lynch. Scum could just sit back and watch. Which is what imran did lol

Maybe he will come up with this elaborate story and convince y’all I’m scum, but if he does and there aren’t four scum and we get another day, make sure to lynch him.

Even if we lynch imran and get one scum, we will probably lose our watcher tonight. Zacch can just be locked down by the rolebloxker so he won’t be able to stop the scum kills. They can get th mind stone then start hunting for the other players without threat of being watched or blocked by a BG….

Watcher and voyer in play… tw did something similar in his iron game once. Had a tracker and motion detector too in that one. If he did that, I’m guessing cum might have a ninja ability we might have to deal with too…

Either way night planning can wait. For now, we need to lock down the lynch (hint, imran) and then we can figure out the night phase

I haven't had time, but I will post details on why I think brewers is scum and I am pretty confident. Posting this as a placeholder to stop brewers accusing me of ducking. I am not as active as I used to be when I last played mafia.

One last thing- this feels weird too. Saying he’s going to respond but can’t and just is trying to prevent me from saying he’s ducking… blames RL… look I get it, rl can make things hard for mafia but at the same time, I get vibes of stalling here/ an attempt to buy some time so imran can come up with a lie/story of why I’m scum and he’s town.

 

Much of this second post appears to be doubling down on the same kind of behavioral cues. Maybe this is just next-level play and par for veterans, but I have difficulty putting TOO much stock into it. 

 

I also have trouble understanding why someone defending Kevin was inherently such a scum tell on Day 2. Obviously scum would /know/ he is town and thus be free to proclaim Kevin's innocence to make themselves look good, but beyond the sheer awkwardness of Kevin's claim was also the idea that it made very little sense for him to have preemptively thrown himself out there for no benefit if he were scum. The only rationale - which both he and Brewers acknowledged - was explaining himself /just in case/ he was tracked/watched/etc. But there were no claims forcing him, and no attack line he was pursuing with his claim. While I seem to have been the only one to react to his role name of Black Widow, I don't inherently find it odd that at least SOME people would have erred on the side of "There is no reason for kevin-as-scum to have done this." 

 

I'm also going to net-neutral Imran's last post since I myself have had to post in broken parts today, and Imran has posted enough times today that I don't think he's trying to be inactive or avoid notice. If he has something to say then I'll parse it when he says it, but he only hurts himself by delaying so if you've got some logic to argue your position then get it out here. Granted I probably won't get to read it til tomorrow afternoon again, but such is life. 

 

 

iSoc2 gets a blithe pass with "Inactive lol"... why is he just being allowed to skate by unchallenged by seemingly everyone?

 

It's a tough situation, it's easier to dig more by engaging with active players. Which is why I always advocate for lynching the inactives early in the game. I'm all for pressuring him to be more active.

 

If Velocity is scum why hasn't anyone come out and disputed his name claim.

Mafia side could be given safe name claims

 

need more time to think of Imran

Lyner - I'll cover iSoc2 here more presently, but SERIOUSLY??? "engaging with active players" reads the same to me as "ignoring scum pretending to be inactive"!! One of the main reasons you drew notice was seeming inactivity and trying to avoid attention. The same logic was applied to Jazzy and Velocity in turn when their wagons were being considered. Seem it would be a scum dream to just sit out the discussion entirely with everyone fighting over the ACTIVE players while you coast by unchallenged.

 

Responding to Lyner's response to Zacch - the concept of a safe name claim is that TW gave the scum a name that nobody else has, so that they don't instantly give themselves away when claiming a role. This is a point Brewers and LWW made to me very strongly on D2, that just having a main character name like Black Widow shouldn't be taken as proof. I was skeptical about this at the time, and then on D3 the general consensus shifted to instead say "name claims done mean anything UNLESS it's a stone role which shouldn't be able to be faked." We have yet to see a fake stone name claim (or fake ANY name claim), but just because there is no counter name claim doesn't mean the name is real. It is possible that TW split things up so that scum would have a few choice safe name claims, but there is no way of knowing if "stone names are safe" has exceptions. At THIS point I don't want Velocity to die just to test that theory, despite his lackluster Watcher results that would otherwise be VERY easy for scum to fake - i.e. "I have a role but I never actually saw anything."

 

Is there a scum role where if you investigate them they kill the investigator? 

After a brief search I found references to Weak modifier roles, but that is less something where it's a scum power and more a modifier on the town role that investigates them. If a 'weak' town acts on a scum player, it kills the town. I also saw reference to (ironically) an Avenger bodyguard role that kills the one who kills their target, but I think that would only apply if scum had their own bodyguard and were using it to ward off a vigilante kill - where vigilante is a town role that gets a night kill of their own.

 

I'll ask the obvious question of being curious why you would ask about this, since you've opened the topic? At this point just about all theories and arguments need to come out.

 

Okay - now down to the actual list of those who remain, that are not otherwise proven. 

 

1. Lord MK - likely town, despite continued aggression against Velocity/vision and changing his "robert killed/orchestrated killing of Tony" story

• Voted Velocity early, still maintains doesnt believe Velocity's claim, but despite this he voted for Robert instead of Velocity today
• Brewers saying leaving his 'vote' there is just what Town MK does - I guess that's history, though I dont like considering it
• Included in a post that Robert 'killed Tony' then walked it back by saying it was his buddies after Robert challenged it - story changing inconsistency

2. Brewers - overall neutral, could see as leaderly town or very experienced scum manipulating newer players

• Aggressive/forceful leader that pushes for his target but also clearly experienced. Up til today I didnt even consider him as potential scum, but with about half the game proven I now need to reconsider that he could be scum leading us around
• Started Kevin's wagon on D2, part of wagons on D3 but less a driver
• Pushed for claims on D3 - this is both a pro and a con as it got Velocity to speak up and defend himself, was a bit late to save Jazzy, and it outed LWW/Zacch's roles
• D4 seems more based on behavioral cues than actual content, waffling between Imran and Robert and back again. 
• Unanswered question from clue that Brewers dropped about DF - Lyner has called this out and Brewers attacked Lyner for even asking the question. Brewers is using this as seeming proof that DF is town.
• DF and Brewers were on the Kevin wagon. If both are town then the entire wagon had no scum on it, but per sheer numbers it feels strange that there wouldn't even be ONE scum on there at all. That could actually be the case, but 

3. Robert - neutral, aggressive today, seems to have OOC issues with MK and Brewers that is being used to supplement his 'early on Kevin' status 

• Early/earliest defender of Kevin on D2 - this was taken as a scum tell, though I don't fully see it
• OOC attacks on Tony prior to Tony's death - I don't like considering this as a factor because it would mean he could be throwing the game for the scum based on something personal.
• Voted for Tony with Kevin prior to Tony's death; when Tony was killed this gave appearance of Robert being framed because everything lined up and felt TOO obvious
• Antagonism with Brewers and MK, which broke out into Robert being a LOT more aggressive today
  • Robert attacked/challenged MK for having said Robert "killed Tony", and then MK revised his statement
  • Brewers calling out behavioral posts by Robert today that per the "congratulating the doctor" theory indicate he was scum trying to show fake sympathy/shock/outrage

4. Lyner - leaning scum due to trying to avoid notice and giving iSoc2 a pass

• On Tony wagon with Robert and Kevin on D2
• No vote at end of D3
• Generally inactive until today, flying below radar and seeming distracted/not paying attention or scumhunting. voted iSoc1.0 who had just died, for example.
• Gives iSoc2 a very vague pass as 'inactive lol' - despite that being the definition of someone trying to avoid attention
• Provoking Brewers with an unanswered question that Brewers apparently "dropped a clue" about DF, to the point that Brewers attacked him back. Pending how that question/situation resolves it may affect whether Lyner was actually being observant about something.

5. Imran - neutral, seemed even-tempered and analytical on earlier days but now squabbling with Brewers

• Similar to Brewers I wouldn't have been considering Imran possible scum until I've had to rebuild my suspect list today. It's possible that means he's scum and playing a good game to keep himself from tripping flags
• Got more into an argument with Brewers today, including what is effectively an OMGUS vote right after Brewers voted for him
• Not on Kevin's wagon on D2, on argument Kevin wouldn't be that stupid as scum
• Voted Jazzy on D2 instead of Kevin's Tony wagon based on 'gut feeling' - could be vote spreading
  • Kevin admitted his own Tony wagon was thin at the time, so this is not completely a scum move 
  • Jazzy was doing a "reluctant voting" thing that drew attention and FoS from others as well
• Much of the argument for him today looks based on the same "congratulating the doctor" reading into posts, which I do not fully put stock in.
• Pending when we find an actual scum to start mapping between them this may change, but for the moment I think he isnt the strongest lynch target

 

6. Preston - This is me. Town, as every townie will say is the basis of their analysis

• Trying to focus on what people have actually done in terms of voting/choices made/inconsistency
• Don't have the history/beef with some players in this game so attempting to disregard OOC influences that others are fixated on
• Apparently my post lengths are practically a meme
• Voted/started Zacch on D2 in an attempt to shift wagon to something more solid than Tony (the wagons didnt move/consolidate), and then emergency shift to Jazzy on D3 to save Velocity/Vision

7. darkfox - Questionable, linked to Brewers?

• Overall seems interested in scum hunting but less frequently posting - not that I'm a huge poster either
• Several newer-player questions but actually seems engaged in the game
• On Kevin's D2 wagon with Brewers
  • If Brewers and Df are town, no scum at all on Kevin's wagon - but if by sheer numbers there were SOME scum on the wagon, they could be a self-reinforcing pair together
• Not voting at end of D3
• Biggest unanswered question is whatever is going on between him and Brewers. I missed when this first showed up in the thread, but apparently Lyner caught it and it got a reaction from Brewers. Brewers has been saying DF is 99.9% town, unknown the basis or if it's reciprocated or what. Because it's been repeated so much I think it needs to be explained.

8. Isoc(2) - strong scum feel due to inactivity, isolated D2 wagon, twice singling out LWW for no reason, staying on Velocity after vision claim

• Replaced Bryan who had gone inactive
• Appeared at end of D2 and voted LWW out of nowhere on gut feeling - vote spreading away from all other wagons, no rationale given
• Semi inactive/hiding throughout D3. When I pressed about his D2 LWW vote he repeated that he suspected LWW but it was still gut feeling. 
• Kept vote on Velocity through end of D3 - stayed off Jazzy wagon and/or hoped Velocity/Vision would get lynched anyway? Also questioned in an odd way if Velocity actually had the stone, which drew attention
• With LWW flipping town cop and stone role, this puts iSoc2's earlier no-reason attacks in a different light
• Somehow his inactivity and actions keep getting ignored by EVERYONE it feels like. I am starting to wonder if this is a sign of collaboration
  • Lyner gave him a pass as "inactive lol", which seems farcical in a game like this. 
  • Brewers all but skipped him in his suspect list, acting like he didnt care about iSoc2 and left it to someone else to get into why - despite my prior day posts going into some detail about why :-/ (feels great for my analysis efforts to be noticed/remembered I swear -.-)

 

UPDATED SCUM THEORY LIST

1. iSoc2.0 - Per above he is my first choice. Too much he has done has seemed deliberate to avoid notice, he has been given a pass by Lyner and Brewers both, but I dont think it would be limited to those two if I did a re-read of the rest of the thread. 
    
2. Lyner - similarly inactive and seeming to cover for iSoc2, but with the added unresolved aspect of the question he is posing to Brewers about DF. Something like that needs to shake out, but that failing if iSoc2.0 flips scum then I would be 75% convinced Lyner is as well
    
3. Brewers/DF - For the moment I am treating these two as a unit, because of whatever is going on between them that has had Brewers confidently selling DF as town since D2. Looking for scum options I am considering the potential that they are a self-reinforcing pair, each vouching for the other but nobody independently vetting either. It's also possible Brewers-as-scum is latching onto DF-as-town to prove himself. 
    
4. Imran - While I am mostly neutral about this due to his seeming helpfulness, if the Brewers/DF situation resolves to where both appear town then Imran will be next on the list due to how forcefully Brewers is pushing for him. I cannot ignore the potential that Imran is a skillful scum player who has managed to avoid notice by seeming to be helpful throughout
    
5. Robert - The other wagon today, and the "Too obvious" wagon of D3 before Velocity was nearly lynched. My disinclination to believe all the OOC beef about Tony and between Robert/Brewers/MK has reduced much of his culpability down to being early on Kevin's Tony wagon, but similar to Imran if the Brewers/DF situation resolves then he will move up in the ranking. I'll go back and comb his posts for giving iSoc2 a pass later, but for now it's nearly 4 AM and I'm about to pass out.

 

So with this in mind:

 

Vote: iSoc2.0

 

I think the actual events surrounding iSoc2 are more compelling than the behavioral/OOC beef that are tied up in the Brewers/Robert/Imran wagons, that his selective hiding and caginess about having attacked LWW is an issue, and that testing him will potentially chain/confirm Lyner as scum. It is not hard to imagine iSoc2 got replaced instead of modkilled as Bryan because he is an important scum role that TW could not let just die, and that since then he has been laying low to preserve himself - boosted by the fact that since he is a replacement his early game history/etc got disrupted. 

 

I'll check in with the thread tomorrow afternoon when I get home to see where this has led us!

[Preston]

Oh goddammit someone posted in the middle of my last posting x.x at least it's only one this time. Here I thought I was the only insane one awake at this hour. 

 

I like how I come across as "grumpy". I could be seriously grumpy if I wanted to be. I mainly state facts. Going full grumpy maybe I should just vote for Brewers till people wise up and just lynch him. "Dulusions". The argument of somebody who lost exhausted everything he has and lost the argument.

Preston again posted allot but no vote?

Zacch flips flops more then Brewers now.

Lyner standing in the sidelines.

Isoc is MIA.

DarkFox is being extra cautious.

MK and Brewers now being themselves.

Imran trying to goat me voting Brewers I think.

So therefore. Fuck all you guys and being useless.

VOTE ISOC

Wakey wakey, participate in the game, no free ride for scum not wanting to participate. I'll go down my list of not committal people worse offenders to greatest. Isoc, then Lyner, to Darkfox, to Preston.

Is there a scum role where if you investigate them they kill the investigator? 

as far as I know. No.

 

Yes I posted a lot, a WHOLE lot, and you posted while I was posting x.x

 

Why are you commenting on Zacch? I guess because he's following Brewers' lead, voting for Brewers and then with him again - didnt we see that on D3? But he's basically proven town at this point.

 

Lyner and iSoc trying to avoid notice I called out in my post, they're on my list. 

 

DF I'm not sure what's going on, his last question has me curious where that line of logic is leading but at least he is posting. There's the whole unresolved link to Brewers to unwind too.

 

I"m going to guess that "MK and Brewers now being themselves" is just a further dig into whatever OOC beef you three have between each other, so skipping that. 

 

Imran trying to [goad] you into voting for Brewers makes sense if Brewers is labeling you two as scum together and he wants to build a Brewers wagon to counter the Imran wagon. And you both COULD be scum together if Brewers turns out to be right in his analysis, so saying that you two are trying to get on a wagon together doesnt really move the needle at all. 

 

Aaaaand now you're voting for iSoc2 and I dont know how to feel about that after just writing my last massive post. 

 

On the one hand it doesn't change my prior analysis - iSoc2 feels the greatest threat and likelihood of flipping scum, but now Robert jumping on this wagon - or I guess STARTING it, he wrote while I was writing - feels like a chance to test Robert by testing iSoc2. If iSoc2 flips scum, that will boost Robert's case and make me think Brewers' language analysis/etc was overreaching. If iSoc2 flips town then Robert will move up quite a lot. 

 

Okay for REAL now this time, going to bed til tomorrow x.x

[DarkFox]

Okay, keeping it secret any longer seems to only be hurting town so I will fess up. On the first night when I sent my role action I did it in the mafia group message, not the one that had only TW and I. I had deleted it right away hoping that no one saw it. Brewers however did see it. The action I did, to my knowledge does not have a scum variant.

[Lord MK]

First of all, i didn't change my statement about Robert killing Tony.
I don't have a visiting proof or something that proves Robert actually killed tony.
But i know he did it.
He's vindictive and mental enough to do it himself as well.
By which i assume his other scum partner is someone who is happy to let others take risk and hide himself
Aka limey.


Roberto and limey are my scum.

[Imran Ehsan]

I have some time now so I will post my reasons for voting for brewers. I will keep my reasons to the point and avoid doing multi-quoting to save time and massive walls of text.

 

1. Day 1 - nothing interesting which ended in a mass vote for no lynch. iSoc killed on N1. 

 

2. Day 2 - kevin role claimed Town Voyeur. Brewers immediately jumped on him saying it is a scummy move. My stance on kevin was pretty clear which I had posted at that time, it all came down to whether Kevin player very badly by role claiming or he got caught trying to be to smart as scum. (post #225 and #237). I found it hard to believe that Kevin being an experienced player (probably more experienced than all of us) will fake role claim so early as a Scum is order to do what? He had no lynch targets lines up, his vote was flimsy and clearly not well-though out. It is not was an experienced Scum would do. Now, who benefits from lynching a Town Voyeur, obviously it is scum. A Voyeur can confirm Role claims later in the game. Fake role claims will be extremely hard with always the possibility that Voyeur may have been watching. With all these reasons in play, there was enough justifcation to let him live to prove his ability. Scum will want him dead and early. An experienced player like brewers would have seen it too instead of continuing to push for the lynch sayin an an experienced player like Kevin fake role claimed as scum with some safe claim. There were 6 people on the wagon so at the time I did not suspect brewers, a scum could be any of the others on the wagon. I called out and voted jazzy for the extremely scummy post he made on D2 saying he does not vote, and completely disappearing after kevin role claimed (post #225). Jazz completely sidestepped my vote and did not respond.

 

3. Day 3 - Kevin turned town and TM was killed at night. We immediately get an outburst from brewers regarding TM being killed and pushing the narrative towards OOC reasons for the killing. Robert was targeted and lww and zacch joined on the wagon giving OOC reasons for the kill. This wagon probably would have lynched Robert if brewers could have pushed on with his narrative that Robert killed TM for OOC reasons. In my post #314, I laid out my reasons on why it is extremely unlikely that TM was killed for OOC (this will mean all scum are IRON members with vendetta against TM and Robert is the only one making calls regarding who to kill) along with it make no sense of Robert killing TM and confirming him to be town when he was pushing for his lynch on D2. I also made the observation that lww and brewers seems to be working together. At this point I was suspicious of the lww and brewers duo driving lynches and working so close, but of course I couldnt pin it because 2 scums will not work so closely together openly. However, after my post (and also Prestons to this effect earlier I think), the Robert wagon cooled down and people moved on to Velocity. We all know what happened, with Velocity being about to be lynched being saved by him claim only for jazz to be lynched. I was also on the wagon for lynching jazz, but note my point 2 above, I have been suspicious of jazz from Day 2 due to his scummy behavior. I did not jump on the wagn just to lynch someone, I was wrong about him but I had reasons to suspect jazz. My vote on zacch also had valid reasons because of the scummy posts zacch was making, but I later admitted that I liked Zacchs later post where he did good analysis. (post #339). I was always on the fence with Velocity. I didnt get scummy tells from him that I was getting from others (including jazz and zacch). When Velocity role-claimed and voted for Jazz it was an easy decision for me to switch my vote to Jazz from Zacch. 

 

Now I will come to my theory. Killing of TM - it was extremely odd why TM was killed when he was on the wagon of Kevin. But it is explained perfectly when you look at his actions. First outrage (fake) -> then pushing the narrative that TM was killed for OOC reasons -> Vote on Robert. The scum decided to kill TM to frame Robert. Brewers carried it out perfectly with his outrage and rush to OOC reasons for kill. As a bonus lww and zacch agreed with him but afterwards failed to gain much traction. Then Velocity came under radar and brewers stated he has no problems with lynching Velocity. He stays on the Robert wagon because either way is fine. Then comes Velocity claim and rush to join the jazz wagon. He of course knew that jazz is also town so he had no problem to join that wagon again. 

 

Now today he started the day attacking me. Anyone wonder why, after posting previously that I was making thoughtful posts, I will quote this: "Imrans are separated by like 15-20 min so I don’t think he’s just trying to increase his post count. Plus imran has been thoughtful and not contributing so he really wouldn’t need to inflate his post count." post #240. He attacked me because of the first post I made on this day, where I mentioned that I think the town is getting played towards mislynches. By this time of course I had brewers firmly in my suupicious list, but brewers caught what I was implying and came out attacking me, which just confirmed by suspicions.

 

My votes and posts always had basis and I have not been jumping wagons just on the chance of killing townies. Brewers has been doing the opposite.

 

By the way, to those who are saying I am lying low, I may have posted less in the last 2 days (specially yesterday as I was out all day) but here also let me quote the post count instead of saying anything else: 

 

brewersalliance 59 lilweirdward 56 Zacch 43 The Warrior 33 Imran Ehsan 32 Robert2424 30 Velocity 27 Preston 20 KevinH 19 DarkFox 18 Lyner 16 Lord MK 11 Jazzy95 11 Tony Maurice 9 iSocialism 7 Bryan93 4 Samus 1

 

And the above is from 27th August.

[Robert2424]

First of all, i didn't change my statement about Robert killing Tony.
I don't have a visiting proof or something that proves Robert actually killed tony.
But i know he did it.
He's vindictive and mental enough to do it himself as well.
By which i assume his other scum partner is someone who is happy to let others take risk and hide himself
Aka limey.


Roberto and limey are my scum.

Like a broken record. I've never known my style revolved around if I can't Lynch him I'll kill him. By that logic i should be killing you and Brewers right everytime I have a killing role. Your like a horse with blinders on. When scum my kills are calculated, not this fantasy of just killing the person I've put at the top of my scum list. If I was a vig, hey that makes sense. A vig kill from me to Tony made sense at the time. But no. I'm not a vig. So try again MK. Otherwise your just being unproductive to the town.

@preston. I vote and comment on who I want when I want. If it's worth mentioning, I mention it. Don't like it too bad. It's very possible Isoc is scum, but my vote is mainly to get him to start posting. Especially with other prime players either forgetting or pretending to forget about him.

I'm sure I did the same as Darkfox at one time. Shit happens in a pm where it's the last message that you got.

Imran: gets around to posting actual reasoning to lynch Brewers after I said something about it. Probably should of been done that to begin with.

Scum is likely within the following.

Brewers,
Lyner,
Isoc,
Imran,
MK,
Preston.

Zacch is confirmed if not a lost puppy. Volcity has the last timestone, even though MK still thinks he's lying. Darkwolf had his mishap, and not all evidence was destroyed. I don't think his last post was necessary, but he felt it was necessary. (Huh.....that reminds me of another player this game. Not that it's been a MAJOR thing in this game. At least Brewers isn't jumping on it like the last one)

[Lord MK]

Now I will come to my theory. Killing of TM - it was extremely odd why TM was killed when he was on the wagon of Kevin. But it is explained perfectly when you look at his actions. First outrage (fake) -> then pushing the narrative that TM was killed for OOC reasons -> Vote on Robert. The scum decided to kill TM to frame Robert. Brewers carried it out perfectly with his outrage and rush to OOC reasons for kill.

Ok now you are just making things up
Really?
Roberto needs to be framed?
He is a walking "look at me" sign.
Lynching Roberto doesn't need a framing action to be set up.
Roberto does stupid shit all the time, like how he's acting all aggro now that the spotlight is on him.

[Lord MK]

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Also note how roberto is pushing against me, brewers, even limey.
Yet not against Imran.
Now I'm not saying that imran and Roberto are the team.
But rather that if one of them turns up scum, the other is definitely not scum

Roberto probably thought that if he gets lynched and flips scum, then we will go after Imran, instead of his actual teammate limey.

So it's either Imran and limey
Or Roberto and limey
Or roberto and limey plus imran as a sk.

Sk? Yes. Why no kills? Cause lying low is a good strat.
In fact one of tw's own games was won by a SK lying low.

Tw loves a sk.
So I'm actively thinking of the possibility that we got 2 scum factions.

[Imran Ehsan]

Now I will come to my theory. Killing of TM - it was extremely odd why TM was killed when he was on the wagon of Kevin. But it is explained perfectly when you look at his actions. First outrage (fake) -> then pushing the narrative that TM was killed for OOC reasons -> Vote on Robert. The scum decided to kill TM to frame Robert. Brewers carried it out perfectly with his outrage and rush to OOC reasons for kill.

Ok now you are just making things up
Really?
Roberto needs to be framed?
He is a walking "look at me" sign.
Lynching Roberto doesn't need a framing action to be set up.
Roberto does stupid shit all the time, like how he's acting all aggro now that the spotlight is on him.

Robert was very obvious that he wanted tm mod killed. I am thinking scum picked up on this and thought it will be a quick lynch. However this is OK only if Robert is working alone instead of being a scum team.

[Velocity]

I am at work and there have been two pages of posts since I last checked this as I have been dealing with a long work week and pre-surgery appointments and calls, and I have a small update:

I will be unavailable to post Thursday evening through Saturday evening, so I will be out all of Friday and Saturday during the day at least, as I am having a surgery on Friday.

When I get home tonight I’ll read through the two pages of posts (thanks presty for the walls of texts lmao) and make some actual posts of my own, but I wanted to get an update on what’s going on with me out a little early.

[brewersalliance]

I have some time now so I will post my reasons for voting for brewers. I will keep my reasons to the point and avoid doing multi-quoting to save time and massive walls of text.

 

 

I read that entire post like four times and im failing to see where your "reasons for voting me are"   this is more so just a summary of your actions and trying to defend yourself...  the only thing you even mention is the TM thing and that is the biggest fucking stretch/reach of anything in this game. [ I literally threatened to stop playing this game if tony wasnt allowed to play.  I had NG gov request tony be allowed to play.  I asked FTW and CCC gov to refuse to play in the game if tony isnt allowed to play.  I blew up Blade's DMs about this.  I blew up TWs DMs about this.   So youre really saying I did all this OOC shit, as a ploy to cover me killing tony?  If i did that, I should be banned from games.  

 

 

 

e immediately get an outburst from brewers regarding TM being killed and pushing the narrative towards OOC reasons for the killing.

 

 

 

Never once did i say TM was killed for out of character reasons.  There goes Imran again misrepresenting what actually happened.  I was pissed tony was killed the second he was allowed to actually play the game.  I made a big deal of him being banned and even refused to play if tony was not allowed to play.  tony finally got masked and was killed.  That was my issues.  It was literally the same as if someone joined the game as a replacement and than was instantly killed (which mods have even not allowed to happen before).  Thats what I said was bull shit.  Stop lying and changing the facts....

 

 

How many times does Imran have to lie to make it obvious to everyone he is scum lol  

 

 

 

That brings me back to this

 

 

 

I haven't had time, but I will post details on why I think brewers is scum and I am pretty confident. Posting this as a placeholder to stop brewers accusing me of ducking. I am not as active as I used to be when I last played mafia.

 

 

This felt to me like a placeholder from imran.  Where he has literally nothing to go on because he was caught and then promises to detail why im scum.... And what does he come up with?  The Tony shit???  If i did all of that shit OOC just to set up the tony kill Id be cheating.  I am beyond offended that you would think I would stoop that low.  You are legit accusing me of cheating, because thats exactly what doing what u said would be.    Imran literally has nothing to come up with other than that nonsense.  

youre literally scrambling and grasping at straws here

[brewersalliance]

The lies/misrepresentations of Imran:

 

 #1)  Brewers is trying to end the day early by voting on robert.  My vote was the second vote on robert.  There are 10 players alive. to hammer him we need a majoiryt.  TW said it takes 5 to lynch, but I think that was actually a mistake by him, as 5 is not a majority, 6 is. (OOC I did DM TW and ask him for clarification on this) Either way tho, putting a second vote on someone is not trying to end the day early.  If TW is right and it needs 5,we would still need 3 more votes to hammer him.. its not like i droped vote 4 on him an hour into the day....  

 

#2) I Organized and lead the lynch of two townies:  I lead the push for the Kevin lynch.  I did not lead the Jazzy push.  I switched to Jazzy to save velocity.  Imran was the one pushing jazzy since D2... but then tries to frame me for it....  another lie.

 

#3)  I said TMs kill was for OOC reasons:  I never said thats why Tony was killed.  I said it was BS tony was killed since he was just let back in the game.  I did not try to plant the seed that someone from IRON killed tony or some shit like Imran is accusing me of.  Im pretty sure the IRON  scum killed Tony was Zacchs theory...  Again another lie

 

 

Scum need to lie to get townies lynched.  And Imran is lying.  If imran was town, what reasons would he have to misrepresent facts and events to try to get me lynched?  

 

What does Kevin always say?  Lynch all liars

[The Warrior]

Vote Count
 

Imran Ehsan (2): Brewersalliance, Zacch

iSocialism2.0 (2): Robert2424, Preston

Brewersalliance (1): Imran Ehsan

Robert2424 (1): Lord MK

Darkfox (0):

Lord MK (0):

Lyner (0):

Preston (0):

Velocity (0):

Zacch (0): 

 

No Lynch (0):

 

Not Voting: Darkfox, iSocialism 2.0, Lyner, Velocity

 

With 10 players alive it takes 6 to lynch or 3 at deadline.
Deadline will be at 2:00PM CN Server time on Monday, September 5th.

[brewersalliance]

Thank you @TW for the correction for the vote total needed

[Lyner]

Okay, keeping it secret any longer seems to only be hurting town so I will fess up. On the first night when I sent my role action I did it in the mafia group message, not the one that had only TW and I. I had deleted it right away hoping that no one saw it. Brewers however did see it. The action I did, to my knowledge does not have a scum variant.

That clears up things. Still scummy point on brewers for hinting it and misdirected the town. An investigative role could have wasted a shot investigating either you or brewers for this meta stuff

 

 

I think the actual events surrounding iSoc2 are more compelling than the behavioral/OOC beef that are tied up in the Brewers/Robert/Imran wagons, that his selective hiding and caginess about having attacked LWW is an issue, and that testing him will potentially chain/confirm Lyner as scum. It is not hard to imagine iSoc2 got replaced instead of modkilled as Bryan because he is an important scum role that TW could not let just die, and that since then he has been laying low to preserve himself - boosted by the fact that since he is a replacement his early game history/etc got disrupted. 

 

I would vote him, but a mislynch today could make town lose. Gambling it all on one inactive player that doesn't respond to inquiries is just silly unless we can get an active replacement.

 

 

Anyway I changed my mind I think MK might be the likeliest scum out of all three. This brewers/Imran banter just feels like things getting personal and finding things to confirm their own bias.

 

Sk? Yes. Why no kills? Cause lying low is a good strat. In fact one of tw's own games was won by a SK lying low. Tw loves a sk. So I'm actively thinking of the possibility that we got 2 scum factions.

 

Are you bragging that you are a smart SK

 

Vote: MK

[brewersalliance]

Uhhh how is me pointing out dark fox is town scummy? Lol
If anything it would prevent an investigation being used on him

Is there a scum role where if you investigate them they kill the investigator?

PGO kills someone if targeted but that’s usually a town role