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[junkahoolik]

well from what i got narsis said he'll come back today not that the day ends today... so, i kind'a do hope i'm right and that you voted for him before this... this day just felt waaay to short...

[molestargazer]

@Falzis - Yes, I believe I did.
My bad.

Ah, well. May as well reinforce the point.

Post-by-post analysis coming up.

[junkahoolik]

Actually, I think mafia is about playing with "friends" and I don't mind pleasing them.
Somehow I've earned four votes while trying to investigate reactions to my play.
It's a bit naive to think that my actions are scummy; I'm only trying to help.

actually, upon rereading, i think this post makes you look really scummy... (the bold part). i don't really understand, what reactions were you expecting??

[molestargazer]

I figured I'd do a Post-by-Post analysis of KevinH to see if anything jumps out, or to see if I've made a horrible decision.
I won't be doing a points system like I did in Streets of Karma - instead, I'll be relying on my gut, which in said game I ignored and regretted it.

• First post. Nothing to see here. Move along.
• Second Post. Typical KevinH. Nothing to see here either.
• Third Post. Makes a comment about EM's lifespan making him more or less likely to be scum. With his old playstyle, this might be true. With this new one, we'll see.
• Fourth Post. Fluff.
• Post 5 and 6 focus on possible clues in the flavour text, which I have already stated I am dead against.
• Post 7, first outlines this idea of a 'compromise'. This is the first sign of KevinH buckling under the pressure that we inevetably always place on him for the No-lynch saga. My gut doesn't like this.
• Post 8. Explaining how that people think his No-lynch strategy is anti-town, so decides to improve this by.. getting a no-lynch another way. This is generic trying-to-please-people.
• Post 9. Calls CanucksDynasty's post a scumtell - ridiculously - and continues on his usual "I'll-tell-you-so" rant. I can't decide whether this can be excused by KevinH's meta.
• Post 10. Finally puts his plan into practise and votes Theophilos. I've already explained why I don't like the plan. Let's move on.
• Post 11. Says he's "just trying to get on". I can't decide if this is scumtell or simply trying to create a pleasant playing environment.
• Post 12. Returns to No-lynch after barely a few posts of having posted. Note this was immediately after a vote by CD for his new style and for his "trying to get along". This seems to me like a simple way to try and blend back into his meta again. And that's scummy.
• Post 13...
  

  Actually, I think mafia is about playing with "friends" and I don't mind pleasing them.
  Somehow I've earned four votes while trying to investigate reactions to my play.
  It's a bit naive to think that my actions are scummy; I'm only trying to help.

  Here, KevinH states that his pleasing thing WAS due to trying to create a friendly environment. He seems to denounce the votes on him by saying there's little substance to the claims, and states that he was trying to investigate reactions to his play, and that he's "only trying to help". I'm dubious.
  @KevinH - What have you learnt through this investigation? If you had to pick someone you think would be scum today, who would it be?
• Post 14. Says he appreciates support from his friends. Appealing to emotion. Scummy.
• Post 15. Says that people can learn things from voting patterns through his idea without lynching - but you only learn from vote patterns when you build SERIOUS CASES. Uses the very generic "When I turn town..." argument. Doesn't do anything to convince me.
• The latest post. Saying deadline is today. Nothing to see here.

At the end of my read, I've been inexplicably hit with the gut idea that KevinH is town, despite everything I've read against him.
The question now is if I still think a D1 lynch is so necessary. More to come when I've thought of it.

[molestargazer]

I'm probably going to catch a lot of flak for this, no matter which way my decision swings. I don't care. I'm making my own decision, and when I make it (I haven't yet!), I'll trust it to be in the best interests of the town and balls to what anyone else thinks of it.

...

Decision made.
My vote stands.

• We need a Day 1 lynch. It's as simple as that. KevinH's flip can help determine scum from voting patterns that we simply wouldn't know without the lynch.
• Just in case I'm wrong. It's happened before.

If KevinH flips town, I'm not going to turn around and say 'I told you so'. I'm going to carry on playing and find the scum using that information.

@KevinH - I'm sure you disagree with my opinion. I'm not unvoting. I'm hoping you'll have enough votes for lynch at deadline.
It's nothing personal. You're a cool guy. But we need this lynch.
However, I would very much like for you to contribute ALL you can before your lynch. Who do you think looks town, and scum? That information could be VITAL to us. Not giving it just seems like you're even more guilty.

[Theophilos]

So be it.

Unvote: No Lynch
Vote: Theophilos

Theophilos doesn't have any votes yet and he might be scum.

I did actually vote. I just didn't post much, cause yeah were back to discussing pro's and con's of the no-lynch vote and such and we did that in one game already.

Now I don't think Kevin is scum, but I do agree it's better if we all vote and lynch and maybe even catch scum with it! Add to that the possible implications for future reference down the line and yeah ... it's a win-win situation even if we lynch a townie.

@Kevin, your probably not scum, that said ...

Unvote
Vote: KevinH

[CanucksDynasty]

I'm not sure if today is deadline as I did not specifically see "Deadline is xxx".
All I saw was Narsis is returning today and the time he was away was considered extra time.

So if someone can paraphrase (not quote...just in case it's a mod-killable offence) where Narsis said today is the deadline then it would be most appreciated.

CD.

[molestargazer]

The time being called 'extra time' implies that if he hadn't been away, we wouldn't have had this extra time, hence day would've ended earlier.

I think.

[KevinH]

@KevinH - What have you learnt through this investigation? If you had to pick someone you think would be scum today, who would it be?

@KevinH - I'm sure you disagree with my opinion. I'm not unvoting. I'm hoping you'll have enough votes for lynch at deadline.
It's nothing personal. You're a cool guy. But we need this lynch.
However, I would very much like for you to contribute ALL you can before your lynch. Who do you think looks town, and scum? That information could be VITAL to us. Not giving it just seems like you're even more guilty.

Now I don't think Kevin is scum, but I do agree it's better if we all vote and lynch and maybe even catch scum with it! Add to that the possible implications for future reference down the line and yeah ... it's a win-win situation even if we lynch a townie.

@Kevin, your probably not scum, that said ...

Unvote
Vote: KevinH

Do you really need this lynch?

No you don't.

To lynch is to risk killing off a townie. The odds favor that. Worse still, you risk killing a townie power role. That said, there's no hard feelings on my part (and maybe next game you'll believe me).

There are certain truths in this game. One is that on day 1, nobody really knows anything.

However, I'll give the vital information as requested by Mole.

I've dropped a few hints from my role PM throughout my postings.

• Sir Jesus and Falzis may have picked up on them when they defended me so they are probably pro-town.
• Electric Mango, Molestargazer, CanucksDynasty, Martino, and Theophilos certainly didn't pick up on them so there's probably a scum or two amongst them.

[KevinH]

... until the 21st(next Friday). The game will remain in Day 1 until I get back etc. Use the possibly extra time wisely

This quote is why I believe it ends today.

An alternative interpretation could be that "even if somebody gets 8 votes, you can keep talking until I get back on the 21st".

Regardless, I'm ready for the day to end.

[KevinH]

Theophilos doesn't have any votes yet and he might be scum.

I was trying to say that Theophilos didn't have any votes against him and thus my vote against him wouldn't put him in danger of lynch. The "he might be scum" was an attempt at humor by giving a very very weak justification for my vote.

[molestargazer]

KevinH:

- You say you've dropped hints about your role. Now would be a very good time to roleclaim and tell us it.
- You say we "risk killing a pro-town powerrole". Do you have such a role? See above.

I don't just want vital information, I want everything you can think of. If you want to help us catch scum, we need everything you can give us. Only scum withhold information from the town.

Do you really need this lynch?

Yes, for reasons I have explained.

(and maybe next game you'll believe me)

Nope, sorry, I'm going to be even more stubborn than you are.

[molestargazer]

Also - Note that the above things have led to me thinking you're more likely to be scum. I'm still happy with my vote.

[CanucksDynasty]

Don't Days last two weeks? We started on Aug. 13 so we should still have 6 more days. I think Narsis' post was referring to if there was a 7 vote-to-lynch thus it should be Night.

The problem with your change in style KevinH is that it is perceived as a form of appeasement to the anti No Lynch crowd, which could be a scum tell in that you want to be perceived as doing what the town wants.

But on the other hand, it would be quite obvious for you to do such thing. I'm wondering if it's a slip up or an honest strategy.

Everyone should read Rule #7. It specifically states Days lasts 2 weeks. So I'm inclined to believe that today is not deadline day. So let's move forward and continue discussions.

[KevinH]

Only scum withhold information from the town.

Really? Only scum would force a townie to role-claim on day 1.

If I were truly scum, I could claim that I had a critical townie role and that lynching me would be a huge mistake. If I said that, would you believe me and change your vote?

However, I am truly townie. Lynching me will be a mistake, but that doesn't seem to matter, does it?

[molestargazer]

Oh, PLEASE. How can you state that only scum ask for roleclaims?

That argument is pure WIFOM, and you know it. It doesn't absolve you of anything.

No, it doesn't. I don't believe your claim right now, but that's irrelevant. The reactions of other people to this conversation are already giving us a good deal. Your death and your alignment, coupled with voting patterns, will provide some very useful informations - provided, of course, you are lynched. Which I'm hoping for.

[molestargazer]

People are also being too quiet. Give your opinions!

[CanucksDynasty]

Really? Only scum would force a townie to role-claim on day 1.

If I were truly scum, I could claim that I had a critical townie role and that lynching me would be a huge mistake. If I said that, would you believe me and change your vote?

However, I am truly townie. Lynching me will be a mistake, but that doesn't seem to matter, does it?

Unvote

I re-read everything you posted so far.
So I will believe your claim as a townie for D1.

So out of the people that have voted for you (including me) who are you most suspicious of?
IF you are townie, then at least one should be mafia.

[angel of doom]

KevinH does look scummy right about now, i mean even if we didnt lynch you, you would most likely end up dead the next day since you hinted at a power role.

[angel of doom]

oh and vote count please?