Another day, another plane. Captain "Anger-Management" Tilden (As he was known secretly by the crew) had always been proud of how he handled the flights on his plane. Always smooth, orderly, and comfortable for the passengers. And he intended to keep it that way, he reflected, carrying his bags through the airport terminal. Today's flight was to be a tedious one over the atlantic. But never mind.

 

Got to keep alert, he mused as his bags went through a scanner. Terrorists were everywhere these days. The takeoff was, as always, impeccable. The passengers seemed fairly happy, apart from that hungover one complaining about the lack of painkillers, and Tilden settled himself down for a smooth flight.

 

A few hours into the flight, the door to the cockpit was nudged open, breaking the silence. Tilden stiffened. It was probably that flight attendant. It was no secret amongst the crew that Tilden had a thing for her. But he didn't care. He wasn't about to ruin his chances by shouting again.

"Ah, Marie, could you-"

 

That was as far as he got. Looking at the reflection in the window, he saw a man in plain clothes. A passenger? He was striding up to Tilden with purpose. Tilden's eyes widened as he saw the flash of a blade. He opened his mouth to speak, but couldn't. A knife was swiftly drawn across his throat. He choked, swiftly passing into unconsciousness.

 

And yet no-one noticed the 2 dead pilots in the cockpit. Marie, the flight attendant, was about halfway through serving drinks. She glanced to the left, flashed a fake smile to the passenger before seeing he was unconscious.

She sighed, and rolled her eyes, recognising the passenger as the one with the hangover. She was about to turn away, when something caught her eye. Had he spilt coffee on himself? She sighed again, reaching for some napkins.

 

Wait. That wasn't coffee.

She screamed, noticing the blood spread out over the man's torso. The passenger's heads turned round to look at her. The man's pocket identified him as a Police officer.

 

It was happening again...

 

PLANE CRASH II

 

ALIVE (Italics indicates confirmation)

1. Narsis

3. Electric Mango

8. AKCPLUTO

9. Falzis

11. Aquinas

12. CanucksDynasty

13. Martino

 

DEAD

'Anger Management' Tilden, Pilot, slashed N0.

Nameless Copilot, slashed N0.

Nameless Hungover Cop, stabbed N0.

crazyemolad, TOWNIE, lynched D1.

Junkahoolik, TOWNIE, lynched D2.

KevinH, TOWNIE, stabbed N2.

Sir Jesus, TOWNIE, lynched D3.

Kaziocore, TOWNIE, killed N3.

Junkahoolik II, TOWNIE, killed N4.

Edited February 11, 201016 yr by molestargazer

That's why I rather have crazyemolad lynched.

 

I am opened to that suggestion.

Although it's probably most likely a townie role.

The only benefit would be that it would avoid having to wait for a replacement role.

And reduces the number to 12 players (as intended to get into 3 people per room).

 

The downside to that would be that the vote count would be useless.

That's why I rather have crazyemolad lynched.

 

If he doesn't get back on time or replaced, I'm also amenable to lynching him

 

Sinkon is very hard to read in terms of his lengthy posts so I must admit I also skip some of the recent posts. I feel he has a tendency to beat around the bush which makes it hard for me to appreciate his posts. But nonetheless, I appreciate his activity and remember the time when I was also an eager beaver in my first game so I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt in terms of the newbie card. Although I can't say if there is really anything scummy in his posts since again, I skipped the most recent ones. >.< (sorry!)

 

EM, when's the result of your thingy?

AoD inactivity is partly to blame as well as SinKon posting all over the place that draws my suspicion.

I don't see why we can't use AoD's past behaviour as part of our assessment of SinKon.

From what you said...IF AoD did something obviously scummy...then we can't vote on his replacement?

That was not what I said. You can, obviously, hold SinKon accountable for any scummy moves by AoD. However, the reason for your suspicions of AoD were his low activity. However, we later found out that AoD was not inactive because he wanted to lay low, but because he did not have enough time(he asked to be replaced). I don't think it is scummy if your activity is low because you do not have enough time. Therefore, I fail to see how you can blame AoD's lack of activity on SinKon.

SinKon (or anyone else for that matter) lynch will have served a purpose.

IF SinKon turns up townie...then you have a pool of suspects to work with (SJ, CD, EM, and Aquinas).

IF SinKon turns up mafia...that pretty much clears up those who voted for him (not 100% cuz of bussing but close enough).

There is more to lynching than someone turning up townie/scum. For example, if you have a good reason to vote, I will not blame you. Not even if you lynch a townie. However, someone giving a poor reason for his vote or none at all and just jumping on the bandwagon will get flack.

What I find interesting is that you interrupted a possible lynching (or mis-lynching) that may halt further bandwagoners from voting.

Why are you so interested in protecting SinKon?

Is it because he is a new player?

I do not think I interrupted a possible lynch as he already has enough votes for a deadline lynch and at the moment it does not look like there are any other suspects. Anyway, my intention was not so much to defend him as to get people to give it some more thought. I merely stated that I am not convinced that he is scum. Would you have prefered me to just keep quiet and watch a few other people jump on the bangwagon without giving it much thought? The way that bandwagon was going I got the feeling that people were happy to lynch anyone that was not themselves. It is not like SinKon suddenly changed his poststyle in the last two pages. He has been like this since he replaced AoD. So why do four people suddenly feel the need to vote for SinKon on the same day? I think being annoyed with his poststyle had more to do with that than real suspicions he was scum.

 

Either way, more discussion before his lynch is always to be preferred over a quicklynch. What exactly would we have gained if three others had quickly jumped on the bandwagon and lynched him?

Crazyemolad has requested replacement.

I have no more replacements lined up, so get hunting!

Either way, more discussion before his lynch is always to be preferred over a quicklynch. What exactly would we have gained if three others had quickly jumped on the bandwagon and lynched him?

 

Exactly what I would have hoped for. Suspicions on the those that voted for him. You would have had 7 suspects to work with. Questioned why these people had voted the way they voted. Questioned their motives and reasoning. Perhaps catch a mafia that looked for an easy lynch. With 7 suspects...I'm sure at least one of them would have been mafia.

 

Now with just 4 suspects, maybe one is mafia but it could be that all of them (yeah...me too) are townies.

Weekend here.

Posting 48hr absence notice.

Will check in periodically to see what's up.

 

CD.

mn... i kind'a lost interest in this game already... if d1 holds so much spamming and lengthy posts in and of itself i shiver to think about the next days.

By that logic, everyone voting for a lynch has a higher probability of being the cop than those that voting no lynch. It would be statistically better for us to lynch you or Sir Jesus then right?

 

 

Proposition: Given that I did not vote to lynch and I am a townie, the evidence would support that I am not the cop.

 

Here's another one:

Given that a vote to lynch was made, the evidence would support that the voter is either a cop or a scum.

Corollary: The likelihood of a voter being a scum is 3 times that of being a cop.

 

The proof is left as an exercise for the reader.

not really... no lynching is useless for the good mafia players. so they will lynch regardless if they are just simple townies just for the info. information in the hands of those who know what to do with it is a dangerous tool.

not really... no lynching is useless for the good mafia players. so they will lynch regardless if they are just simple townies just for the info. information in the hands of those who know what to do with it is a dangerous tool.

 

Agreed

 

Proposition: Given that I did not vote to lynch and I am a townie, the evidence would support that I am not the cop.

 

Here's another one:

Given that a vote to lynch was made, the evidence would support that the voter is either a cop or a scum.

Corollary: The likelihood of a voter being a scum is 3 times that of being a cop.

 

The proof is left as an exercise for the reader.

 

that is false logic.

 

it's like saying:

 

Cats are mammals.

Apes are mammals.

Apes don't have tails.

Therefore cats don't have tails.

 

anyone that has seen a cat can obviously prove otherwise.

 

so you are saying:

 

Mafia want a lynch.

Cops want a lynch.

We held a vote on whether to lynch or not.

Therefore, anyone that votes pro-lynch must be either mafia or a cop.

 

and as anyone that has played mafia before knows, townies are often pro-lynch.

EM, when's the result of your thingy?

 

I took the top 12 most active stocks on the NYSE.

 

The 1st most active I assigned to player 1, the 2nd most active I assigned to player 2, etc.

On the end of business Monday the 9th I will do another screen shot.

 

The top 3 biggest gainers will be in room 1

 

Next 3 in room 4

 

Next 3 in room 7

 

Bottom 3 in room 8

 

Tie breaker will go to the person highest on the sign up sheet.

 

 

Also we must be sure that all players are active during the 48 hours after the lynch. If crazymolad is still inactive he will be randomly assigned a room number. This will mess up our strategy because he has roughly a 40% chance of putting a room count to 4 people or a 50% going into an unassigned room alone. This would be the worst case scenario because scum would nk him and we would not know which room the killer came from.

 

If crazymolad has not been replaced when the dead line approaches we must lynch him above all others.

 

MOD: Can you send out some invites to former mafia players like vgmaster etc?

Exactly what I would have hoped for. Suspicions on the those that voted for him. You would have had 7 suspects to work with. Questioned why these people had voted the way they voted. Questioned their motives and reasoning. Perhaps catch a mafia that looked for an easy lynch. With 7 suspects...I'm sure at least one of them would have been mafia.

Do you then think it is worth sacrificing a townie to know that at least one of seven players is mafia? I don't think so: 1 in 7 is worse than 3 in 13, so we're not exactly making any progress in this way. Of course, more than one may be mafia, but we wouldn't know that for certain. Also, we already have four people of who I suspect a few were looking for an easy lynch. Why are you so against questioning them now? Why would you have prefered me to wait until after we would have lynched him?

Also we must be sure that all players are active during the 48 hours after the lynch. If crazymolad is still inactive he will be randomly assigned a room number. This will mess up our strategy because he has roughly a 40% chance of putting a room count to 4 people or a 50% going into an unassigned room alone. This would be the worst case scenario because scum would nk him and we would not know which room the killer came from.

 

If crazymolad has not been replaced when the dead line approaches we must lynch him above all others.

 

Oh yeah that would really mess things up. If no replacement is seen coming, I am really now leaning towards lynching crazy.

Do you then think it is worth sacrificing a townie to know that at least one of seven players is mafia? I don't think so: 1 in 7 is worse than 3 in 13, so we're not exactly making any progress in this way. Of course, more than one may be mafia, but we wouldn't know that for certain. Also, we already have four people of who I suspect a few were looking for an easy lynch. Why are you so against questioning them now? Why would you have prefered me to wait until after we would have lynched him?

 

I don't have a problem with you questioning any of them. And I don't really care if it was before or after the lynch. What I wanted was to see how many more would have voted. It is most likely that no one would have placed that 7th vote (very rare in all the games I've seen and played for a D1 majority lynch).

 

Well you have your 4 suspects...ask your questions then.

 

I still think SinKon is a viable lynch target right now.

You even posted an out clause that he was also a good suspect as any.

that is false logic.

...

and as anyone that has played mafia before knows, townies are often pro-lynch.

 

I have to explain my humor again.

 

Proposition: Given that I did not vote to lynch and I am a townie, the evidence would support that I am not the cop.

Humor intended by the statement that it's given that I'm a townie. Of course I'd say that.

 

Given that a vote to lynch was made, the evidence would support that the voter is either a cop or a scum.

Obviously, many well-intentioned townies vote to lynch.

 

Corollary: The likelihood of a voter being a scum is 3 times that of being a cop.

This is just based on assumptions that there are 3 scum and 1 cop. Either assumption could be false.

I have to explain my humor again.

 

it didnt really seem as humor to me.

MOD: If the day ends with an inactive player are they allowed to camp without being randomly assigned to a room? They are, after all, inactive so I want to make sure of the scenario in that case before we assume a random placement is the case.

 

No. Anyone who doesnt choose a room will be randomly assigned.

Edited November 7, 200916 yr by molestargazer

Also we must be sure that all players are active during the 48 hours after the lynch. If crazymolad is still inactive he will be randomly assigned a room number. This will mess up our strategy because he has roughly a 40% chance of putting a room count to 4 people or a 50% going into an unassigned room alone. This would be the worst case scenario because scum would nk him and we would not know which room the killer came from.

 

If crazymolad has not been replaced when the dead line approaches we must lynch him above all others.

 

MOD: Can you send out some invites to former mafia players like vgmaster etc?

 

Agreed.

Thanks to EM for bringing it up to our attention.

I guess I was right in labelling you as a townie.

For my purposes...

 

Townies

CD (me obviously)

Narsis (provided details in 4 separate room strategy)

Firkked (first to post 4 separate room strategy)

EM (presumably he had the same idea as Firkked...I'll believe him on this one)

Kaziocore (was the first to vote for crazy...not wanting to lynch a possible active townie)

 

Unknown

junkahoolic

crazyemolad

Martino

Falzis

Aquinas

KevinH

SJ

 

Suspects

AoD/SinKon - meh...my gut feeling

 

VOTE COUNT

SinKon (4): Sir Jesus, CanucksDynasty, Electric Mango, Aquinas

KevinH (1): Firkked

Sir Jesus (1): SinKon

crazyemolad (1): Kaziocore

 

Not Voting (6): Narsis, Junkahoolik, KevinH, crazyemolad, Falzis, Martino

Edited November 10, 200916 yr by molestargazer

An additional replacement for Crazyemolad could be SinKon if he gets lynched...

 

Sorry for the relative inactivity - someone must have succeeded inputting a pox on my house as both kids have been throwing up all yesterday and a good portion of the first part of today, plus the wife and I are getting hit as well.

Also, we already have four people of who I suspect a few were looking for an easy lynch.

 

Martino ~ This rubs me the wrong way. Obviously you're talking about the four who have voted for SinKon. Why not just come out and say who you are suspicous of then? Why not let the town know your suspicions. Townies have no info from the start, we must collect it as we go. If you think you have information that could help us, why be so ambiguous about it? Tell us, out of the 4, who are the two you think are suspicious and why.

 

 

VOTE COUNT

SinKon (4): Sir Jesus, CanucksDynasty, Electric Mango, Aquinas

KevinH (1): Firkked

Sir Jesus (1): SinKon

crazyemolad (1): Kaziocore

 

Not Voting (6): Narsis, Junkahoolik, KevinH, crazyemolad, Falzis, Martino

 

Also, you said you believe that lynching is protown and it will help us win the game. I found it strange that you said that but then slam on the 4 people that are doing what you said should be done. No one else is even a serious candidate, the next closest has only 1 vote, and the dead line is coming fast. If you think that a Day 1 lynch is necessary then why haven't you done anything to help get a lynch? You said it yourself, you think two out of the four are guilty, why not make a case against one of them?

 

About the no lynch vs lynch. I'm strongly in favor of lynching. First of all, we gain absolutely no information from voting no lynch. Secondly, we greatly increase the chance of a nightkill because the scum will be much more tempted to kill if they are in a room with 4 than when they are in a room with 3. Finally, we have much worse odds of finding the scum if a nightkill happens (assuming that one scum will be in the room with 4 players).

 

To summarize:

 

You said lynching is good

 

You say people are guilty but don't name names or provide evidence (Not helping us lynch)

 

You criticize people who are doing what you (and others) say is the best course for the town

 

To me you seem like the guy who wants to sit back and play "I told you so".

FOS: Martino

Sorry for the relative inactivity - someone must have succeeded inputting a pox on my house as both kids have been throwing up all yesterday and a good portion of the first part of today, plus the wife and I are getting hit as well.

 

Hope you and the family are feeling better soon Firkked. Too bad it's on the weekend and not on a Monday

Martino ~ This rubs me the wrong way. Obviously you're talking about the four who have voted for SinKon. Why not just come out and say who you are suspicous of then? Why not let the town know your suspicions. Townies have no info from the start, we must collect it as we go. If you think you have information that could help us, why be so ambiguous about it? Tell us, out of the 4, who are the two you think are suspicious and why.

 

 

VOTE COUNT

SinKon (4): Sir Jesus, CanucksDynasty, Electric Mango, Aquinas

KevinH (1): Firkked

Sir Jesus (1): SinKon

crazyemolad (1): Kaziocore

 

Not Voting (6): Narsis, Junkahoolik, KevinH, crazyemolad, Falzis, Martino

 

Also, you said you believe that lynching is protown and it will help us win the game. I found it strange that you said that but then slam on the 4 people that are doing what you said should be done. No one else is even a serious candidate, the next closest has only 1 vote, and the dead line is coming fast. If you think that a Day 1 lynch is necessary then why haven't you done anything to help get a lynch? You said it yourself, you think two out of the four are guilty, why not make a case against one of them?

 

 

 

To summarize:

 

You said lynching is good

 

You say people are guilty but don't name names or provide evidence (Not helping us lynch)

 

You criticize people who are doing what you (and others) say is the best course for the town

 

To me you seem like the guy who wants to sit back and play "I told you so".

FOS: Martino

 

 

Great catch EM....

 

FOS: Martino

Martino ~ This rubs me the wrong way. Obviously you're talking about the four who have voted for SinKon. Why not just come out and say who you are suspicous of then? Why not let the town know your suspicions. Townies have no info from the start, we must collect it as we go. If you think you have information that could help us, why be so ambiguous about it? Tell us, out of the 4, who are the two you think are suspicious and why.

I was talking about those using the AoD was inactive so SinKon must be scum reasoning. Those were CD and Firkked(who did not vote for SinKon but gave his support for the lynch partly based on AoD past behavior). Firkked explained that it was not just the inactivity but also AoD's support of a spreading strategy. That reasoning was good enough for me, so I no longer have any suspicions of Firkked. Which leaves CD who, instead of being able to explain himself, has decided to attack me for questioning the reasoning behind his vote. Further I was just continuing my argument that the bandwagon picked up speed very fast. SinKon did not change his behavior in the last few posts and yet, after Sir Jesus put in the first vote, three others quickly followed. Would they have also voted if Sir Jesus did not? I doubt it.

 

Also, you said you believe that lynching is protown and it will help us win the game. I found it strange that you said that but then slam on the 4 people that are doing what you said should be done. No one else is even a serious candidate, the next closest has only 1 vote, and the dead line is coming fast. If you think that a Day 1 lynch is necessary then why haven't you done anything to help get a lynch? You said it yourself, you think two out of the four are guilty, why not make a case against one of them?

I never said two out of four ARE guilty. I said I thought that some were looking for an easy lynch, which I found suspicious. While we indeed need a D1 lynch, one important reason for this is information. If everyone would just follow along and jump on the bandwagon, we gain hardly any information. While I would agree that in this scenario even a random lynch is to be preferred over a no lynch(we need to get down to 12 players over 4 rooms), I believe this kind of a random lynch should be a last ditch effort. Not something we start with plenty of discussion time left.

 

 

To summarize:

 

You said lynching is good

 

You say people are guilty but don't name names or provide evidence (Not helping us lynch)

 

You criticize people who are doing what you (and others) say is the best course for the town

 

To me you seem like the guy who wants to sit back and play "I told you so".

FOS: Martino

Now your logic is completely off.

- I did say that lynching is good and I still believe that.

- I told you I was suspicious of those who used AoD's inactivity as reason for their SinKon vote/support of his lynch. Perhaps I could have repeated this in my other post, but I did tell you before where my suspicions lay.

- I criticize people who seemed to be voting for the mere purpose of getting someone lynched. Yes we need a lynch, but that does not mean we should simply lynch the first person that comes to mind.

- If I wanted to say "I told you so", I could have just laid low, watch you mislynch and then come out and blame you guys for mislynching. Instead, I wanted to discuss this issue while we still have a chance to change the outcome.