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[CanucksDynasty]

unless he was about to be lynched...

That's pretty obvious

VOTE COUNT
junkahoolik (2): Martino, Firkked
KevinH (1): Electric Mango


Not Voting (9): Narsis, Junkahoolik, KevinH, Sir Jesus, angel of doom, Falzis, Kaziocore, Aquinas, CanucksDynasty

With 12 alive, 7 is needed to lynch.

Edited by molestargazer, 24 November 2009 - 06:02 PM.

[CanucksDynasty]

Rule 5-1 has been removed but there is no mention of Rule 5 being removed.
Mod: Is it still true that "Players may only carry out night actions on players they in the same area as." (sic)?
Yes.

So it appears that we are still locked into the same area for night actions.
So gameplan of room assignments should remain the same...correct?
So it's back to 4 rooms (2, 3, 6, 9 this time with the same grouping).

Given light of this new evidence...perhaps a no lynch is the correct solution??

Kudos to KevinH for bringing this up.

[CanucksDynasty]

So it appears that we are still locked into the same area for night actions.
So gameplan of room assignments should remain the same...correct?
So it's back to 4 rooms (2, 3, 6, 9 this time with the same grouping).

Given light of this new evidence...perhaps a no lynch is the correct solution??

Kudos to KevinH for bringing this up.

Scratch that...

MOD said this (paraphrasing to avoid modkill)
Rule 5-1 removed. You won't be informed of how the new mechanic will operate.

So there may be a new mechanic pm'd to power roles (ie. instead of 1 movement...they can go up to 4 spaces, etc).
It's just that it's not for everyone to know about.

Is that correct???

[Narsis]

however before they could move to an adjacent area. maybe now they can move two or three or all of them. in any of those cases(and we dont know which) our previous plan just doesnt work.

[Narsis]

Scratch that...

MOD said this (paraphrasing to avoid modkill)
Rule 5-1 removed. You won't be informed of how the new mechanic will operate.

So there may be a new mechanic pm'd to power roles (ie. instead of 1 movement...they can go up to 4 spaces, etc).
It's just that it's not for everyone to know about.

Is that correct???

i would assume so. he even could have left the mechanic as is, but said something to make it ambiguous. either way, his goal succeeded. we dont know how their movement is done.

[CanucksDynasty]

however before they could move to an adjacent area. maybe now they can move two or three or all of them. in any of those cases(and we dont know which) our previous plan just doesnt work.

Yeah...I realized it once I thought it over.
What's the point of removing 5-1 if the results would have been the same.
So back to lynching it is.

[Narsis]

Yeah...I realized it once I thought it over.
What's the point of removing 5-1 if the results would have been the same.
So back to lynching it is.

the point is that us the town would not have known whether it was changed or not. this means that we wouldn't be able to stick to the previous plan since there is the possibility of him actually changing the rule.

[Electric Mango]

My responses in BOLD

So instead, EM and CD want the cop's investigations to be lost if the cop is killed. Is that a scum-tell or what?

No, quit trying to twist my words to deceive the town. I don't want the cop killed by mafia. As CD made it clear, your idea would greatly increase the mafia's chances of finding the cop and killing him.

More clarification on the OMGUS:

In the context of answering the question of who could be mafia, I was answering that I could think EM is mafia because he voted for me, not that he was responding to something I said about him.

Why even bring OMGUS up then? Here is the definition of OMGUS: OMGUS stands for "Oh my God! You Suck!"

An OMGUS vote means a player vote another player simply because that player voted him - a vote back.

Again, you are misrepresenting what is really going on.

Kevin, you just keep reaffirming why I voted for you in the first place.

Not only have you championed 2 anti town strategies you have also tried to mislead/deceive the town on 2 separate occasions .

[Firkked]

I mentioned the rule revision earlier - to remind you all:

I didn't find anything in my room either.

The distance limitation removal benefits the mafia as our previous strategy was "game breaking" as noted above. It doesn't matter if it is now 2 rooms or unlimited, our strategy was only effective when movement was limited to 1 room only (eg even with a 2 room limitation we'd have to stack people into rooms 1 and 9 only, making the limitations on catching scum very ineffective; more range further exacerbates this problem)

We need a lynch, a continuance of voting records from D1 and, probably, all FoS' flung so far.

I'm sticking with my gut and will vote accordingly.

[Falzis]

only junk and Firkked answered my question... which is did anyone else get an item during the night? it could be one aspect of the game worth looking into as we move forward and decide on room movements (if we should do max spread or go to the other 4 rooms unoccupied on D1).

[junkahoolik]

Can you please find a quote where I said this?
I don't recall saying such a thing.

The only thing I remember is that you wanted the cop to claim first on D1 (that's without any night actions).
It's a bit different if a cop has actually found scum.

And I definitely don't remember saying that a cop should wait until he's found 2 or more mafia.

It's 35 pages already...so forgive if I don't go sifting through the pages.

As for the cop to roleclaim...that's for the cop to decide.
Personally if I was the cop and found scum (assuming that there is a doc), I would tell everyone so as to lynch mafia.
Also, remember the game mechanics were still in play.
It would have been impossible for the doc to hide his identity and protect the doc at the same time.

Of course it now depends on whether the power roles have no resitrictions regarding movements during night.

posts 68 and 69.

[Kaziocore]

only junk and Firkked answered my question... which is did anyone else get an item during the night? it could be one aspect of the game worth looking into as we move forward and decide on room movements (if we should do max spread or go to the other 4 rooms unoccupied on D1).

I said in post #662 that I haven't received an item.

I think if some pro-town got an item, they should have told us before if he thinks it will help us but right now no one has done it. Obviously if an anti-town got an item, they won't say it. So... we should rely on items that much too win. Let's focus more on scum-hunting.

[KevinH]

I did not receive an item.

Do I really think that someone would say that they want the cop to die with his investigations? No.

OMGUS? I was asked whom I thought was scum and I was trying to respond that Electric Mango must be scum because he had voted for me. Yet again I have to explain my attempts at humor.

[KevinH]

posts 68 and 69.

Here are the relevant quotes:

depends on the fact that the cop may have to roleclaim to convince others to vote scum off. then the cop is again just good for 1 time. though if this happens, the doc can protect him. but, given the limited number of people that can be in a room, the identity of the doc could be easier than normal found out and both cop and doc could die soon.

1 time. but the cop could very easily have found more then 1 mafia and at the very least some townies.

My sentiments exactly.

Much ado about nothing.

[Falzis]

Sorry for missing you Kazio. Thanks for the answer KevinH.

I dunno why but I'm getting bad vibes from CD, and a little from junk from their conversation and posts (the two of them can't both be town I'm thinking). I'm getting a good feel from Kaziocore and more from KevinH. I'm reading something between the lines.

[CanucksDynasty]

posts 68 and 69.

Yeah...that comment was based on the old setup with the move restrictions.
Since that appears to be gone...the doc can move freely about and protect the cop.

[CanucksDynasty]

Sorry for missing you Kazio. Thanks for the answer KevinH.

I dunno why but I'm getting bad vibes from CD, and a little from junk from their conversation and posts (the two of them can't both be town I'm thinking). I'm getting a good feel from Kaziocore and more from KevinH. I'm reading something between the lines.

So...what did I do to earn the bad vibes?
Just curious.

Also...why can't both junk and I be townies?

[Falzis]

So...what did I do to earn the bad vibes?
Just curious.

Also...why can't both junk and I be townies?

Your posting style is still the same, aggressive and questioning but the exchange between you and junk have seemingly minor inconsistencies. Although you have clarified that you made such posts on a different mindset (ie. old set up).

I'm just thinking since you're attacking each other, one of you could be scum. But I could be wrong of course. Just my thoughts.

[Sir Jesus]

I've read through the pages, and I tend to agree with Falzis. While CD has done nothing particularly scummy, my gut is saying that his posts are a bit more aggressive than usual.

Both CD and EM have been dogging KevinH pretty hard, apparently because he is trying to "mislead" the town. I think you guys are jumping to conclusions WAY too fast there, I totally agree with KevinH in that the cop should leave hints. He could drop dead anytime, there is not point in leaving breadcrumbs. Hints left in a subtle enough fashion will be passed over by every player, until the clue-dropper turns out to be the cop. Then every post can be analyzed and evidence can be derived in that fashion.

Also, KevinH's "no lynch" strategy is also not a scumtell. While I personally don't agree with it, the circumstances of our situation could lead (the misguided ) to believe that it would be in the best interests of the town.

I'm not one to stick my neck out for others, but I think EM and CD are railing against KevinH's discussion points far too hard. To me, it seems like they are stifling one side of the conversation while keeping up the impression of a dialogue with KEvinH.

[CanucksDynasty]

i think there are 2 enemy factions. 2 mafia and 1 sk. i think they didn't nk cause of the thought that the other would do it. why?? because getting 5 townies dead at the cost of 1 maf player while the others are not even suspected is a good deal imo. of course, there is the possibility that the maf were placed all in the same room bu the chances of that happening are too small to consider. these are my thoughts for the moment.

I don't understand this.
Why do you think there is 2 mafia factions?
What led you to believe this?