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[Narsis]

Yes, follow the cop.

I'm not committting to no-lynch, but it could be a viable strategy. If the mafia don't night-kill, the cop can eventually investigate everyone while the town sits back and doesn't lynch anyone so there are no mis-lynches guided by the mafia.

this is no longer a viable option. with the removal of rule 5-1, it is safe to assume that the mafia has more freedom of movement. whether they can now move two spaces, or all doesnt matter. either way the mafia is going to be capable of a safe nk.

also, as per talking with mole, the change was made to break our game breaking strategy(something which should seem obvious). so whatever change was made, it makes our previous plans no where near as effective.

VOTE COUNT
junkahoolik (1): Martino


Not Voting (11): Narsis, Junkahoolik, Electric Mango, KevinH, Firkked, Sir Jesus, angel of doom, Falzis, Kaziocore, Aquinas, CanucksDynasty

Edited by molestargazer, 24 November 2009 - 06:00 PM.

[Electric Mango]

Kevin,

Judging by Mole's recent posts, it's apparent that Mafia will begin night killing. Following the cop will not work.

[Kaziocore]

You guys are out there. First, to junk, where'd you get the idea that there could be an SK? And second, to Sinkon, I just LOL at the vampire idea.

I think you forgot this...

It does not matter if we crash as our only goal in this game is to kill all the mafia and at least one pro-town member survives.

Come to think of it, after reading this

and at least one pro-town member survives.

There could be a serial killer in the plane. Reminds me of the show Lost...

[KevinH]

I'm looking for hints from the cop. I'm not seeing too much but here are a couple of possibilities
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if I see some subtle suggestions that are similar, I could be convinced to lynch.

uum... what kind'a townie would say out loud who he thinks the cop is??

What kind of cop would make such an obvious statement so early in the day? I don't really believe junkahoolik is necessarily the cop. I gave examples of the sort of things for which I'm looking.

Judging by Mole's recent posts, it's apparent that Mafia will begin night killing. Following the cop will not work.

I agree that the rule changes are to encourage mafia night-kills. Nevertheless, the cop knows more than I do; an essentially random lynch will most likely get a townie unless the cop can guide in a stronger way than the mafia can guide.

[Electric Mango]

I agree that the rule changes are to encourage mafia night-kills. Nevertheless, the cop knows more than I do; an essentially random lynch will most likely get a townie unless the cop can guide in a stronger way than the mafia can guide.

There is always going to be a higher probability of lynching a townie over a mafia member, this game is no different. How are we going to get information if we don't lynch? Should we just let the mafia pick us off 1 at a time?

Also I don't see how we can follow the cop. For one, the cop only knows the alignment of one person, probably a townie. Second, how are we supposed to know who the cop is?

[Narsis]

by following clues. or so kevin would say. but what clues are they? and if you say them then wont the mafia be able to then direct your focus by using hints of that kind? and if you dont say then how will the cop know what kind of hints to drop that are subtle enough to not get caught by the mafia, but obvious enough for you to figure them out?

[KevinH]

There is always going to be a higher probability of lynching a townie over a mafia member, this game is no different. How are we going to get information if we don't lynch? Should we just let the mafia pick us off 1 at a time?

After a few investigations, the cop will know with certainty the alignments of a few players. This will shift the probabilities favorably for the town. We don't let the mafia pick us off one at a time for the whole game, but it's better to go into the next day with only one dead townie rather than two.

Also I don't see how we can follow the cop. For one, the cop only knows the alignment of one person, probably a townie.

The cop will have better knowledge and can guide the town to a lynch at the most advantageous time.

Second, how are we supposed to know who the cop is?

I gave examples in a previous post. We won't know for sure but that's the fun of the game.

[KevinH]

I believe Falzis is townie-aligned.

If I get night-killed and am shown to be a cop, then the surviving townies can look back to this post and know the results of my investigation.

If I am night-killed and am shown to be the vanilla townie that I am, then the surviving townies can disregard.

I suggest some of us make similar posts like this so the cop can blend in. Everyone shouldn't do it in case the cop got a guilty result but doesn't want to role-claim just now.

[Firkked]

Despite my rhetoric on D1, I have a better feeling for you Kev.

Vote: Junkahoolik

[SinKon]

How does cop power work? I though it supposed to just catch mafia right then and there or is it "just knowing"?
If it's "just knowing" then that power sucks beause down that road, there is most certainly going to be some fake cop claim by the mafia or by some belligerent townies, who just wanted more fun (Not that I blame him or her)

Anyway, who cop claimed before but turned out not be a cop? I remember EM or someone said that there is a least going to be one fake cop claim somewhere back there...I am too lazy to dig the post, sorry!

[Narsis]

How does cop power work? I though it supposed to just catch mafia right then and there or is it "just knowing"?
If it's "just knowing" then that power sucks beause down that road, there is most certainly going to be some fake cop claim by the mafia or by some belligerent townies, who just wanted more fun (Not that I blame him or her)

Anyway, who cop claimed before but turned out not be a cop? I remember EM or someone said that there is a least going to be one fake cop claim somewhere back there...I am too lazy to dig the post, sorry!

usually they can choose someone to investigate and will be told whether they are town or mafia.

[Falzis]

How does cop power work? I though it supposed to just catch mafia right then and there or is it "just knowing"?
If it's "just knowing" then that power sucks beause down that road, there is most certainly going to be some fake cop claim by the mafia or by some belligerent townies, who just wanted more fun (Not that I blame him or her)

Anyway, who cop claimed before but turned out not be a cop? I remember EM or someone said that there is a least going to be one fake cop claim somewhere back there...I am too lazy to dig the post, sorry!

It would be foolhardy for any townie to claim cop since that defeats the purpose of helping the town. And the fake cop townie would be hard pressed to prove the claim the next day (if accused scum was wrongly lynched and proven townie). I haven't seen it happen, fake cop scum claims are more likely.

[KevinH]

by some belligerent townies, who just wanted more fun

I would hope not. When townies win, they all win whether alive at the end or not. There's an assumption that townies are trying their best to win. (there might be dispute over the best way to try and win, but that's another subject)

I could maybe, just maybe, see a vanilla townie claim cop in an attempt to draw the night-kill and save the real cop. It would be tough to fool the mafia though since they know everyone's alignment and the vanilla townie would have to be guessing when giving the results of an investigation.

[junkahoolik]

How does cop power work? I though it supposed to just catch mafia right then and there or is it "just knowing"?
If it's "just knowing" then that power sucks beause down that road, there is most certainly going to be some fake cop claim by the mafia or by some belligerent townies, who just wanted more fun (Not that I blame him or her)

Anyway, who cop claimed before but turned out not be a cop? I remember EM or someone said that there is a least going to be one fake cop claim somewhere back there...I am too lazy to dig the post, sorry!

a basic idea in scum hunting is lynch all those who lie. townies don't need to lie. besides, if a townie lies it won't be helpful for the town because it will create confusion in the long run. so usually, when there are 2 cop claims, one of them is lying and the lier is mafia. of course that depends on the settings of the game. for instance, if there is 1 sane cop and a cop or more that can't investigate well (receives the answers to investigations to be all mafia or all townie or all the opposite of the players affiliation) then they are all telling the truth and no need to lynch them. the real problem is that you can only find out someone's true identity if you lynch him.

nobody claimed cop yet.

[CanucksDynasty]

I believe Falzis is townie-aligned.

If I get night-killed and am shown to be a cop, then the surviving townies can look back to this post and know the results of my investigation.

If I am night-killed and am shown to be the vanilla townie that I am, then the surviving townies can disregard.

I suggest some of us make similar posts like this so the cop can blend in. Everyone shouldn't do it in case the cop got a guilty result but doesn't want to role-claim just now.

This is ridiculous.

IF mafia are spead out into different rooms as I have said in the previous posts...doing something like this may help mafia narrow down the list of who the cop is. IF you happen to choose a mafia and say he's townie-aligned, then the mafia instantly knows that he is not the cop.

[CanucksDynasty]

Let's breakdown the votes (these are in order of votes placed):

crazyemolad (7): Kaziocore, KevinH, Sir Jesus, SinKon, Narsis, Falzis, Martino
SinKon (4): CanucksDynasty, Electric Mango, Aquinas, Firkked
Falzis (1): Junkahoolik

Not Voting (1): crazyemolad

Assuming there are 3 mafia...can we assume that most likely 2 mafia voted for crazy and 1 mafia voted for Sinkon/Falzis?

[KevinH]

IF you happen to choose a mafia and say he's townie-aligned, then the mafia instantly knows that he is not the cop.

Point taken, but that's only one of the many townies that would not be the cop. Alternatively, the mafia get lucky and kill the cop and all the previous investigations are lost to the grave.

[Electric Mango]

IF you happen to choose a mafia and say he's townie-aligned, then the mafia instantly knows that he is not the cop.

BOOM

CD's right on.

Vote: KevinH

Little time on break, will give follow up later.

[KevinH]

Assuming there are 3 mafia...can we assume that most likely 2 mafia voted for crazy and 1 mafia voted for Sinkon/Falzis?

That's probably the most likely scenario but that assumption doesn't get us very far.

[Aquinas]

Assuming there are 3 mafia...can we assume that most likely 2 mafia voted for crazy and 1 mafia voted for Sinkon/Falzis?

That's probably the most likely scenario but that assumption doesn't get us very far.

Follow up to KevinH here...I think that is a possible scenario but I don't see where that is coming from. Why would we be able to assume that?

To clarify something Junkahoolik said, that I may be the cop because I dismissed suspicion of SinKon: that was on the qualifier that he posted less random nonsense during Day 2 which isn't that case thus far, clearly. Still I don't find it to be malicious or purposefully detracting from the town goals and I'm hoping to let him slide. I'd like to hear more from Junkahoolik and KevinH still about there reasoning for a no lynch strategy. I think its pretty obvious Night 2 will come with a night kill. We need to be proactive otherwise we end up with two dead townies on Day 3 without any townie action. Will be end up with three dead townies if we lynch, the odds say, "yes". However, we're not playing the odds. KevinH if you are truly not convinced of anyone's scumminess at the end of the day vote no lynch but, don't throw it off the table just yet. Do you have anyone in mind that could be mafia at this point? Who do you think we should be looking at more closely? I'll offer the same questions to Junkahoolik but, he seems more assertive about making sure we don't lynch which makes me a little more suspicious of him.

FOS: Junkahoolik