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I was dead until the very end of yesterday. xD If I had been alive all day yesterday, I would've been "somewhat bland" much of that day too. As I was the first couple of days and as I was much of the time in the last mafia game where you made the same accusation. In both cases I was confirmed town so good luck judging me based off that. It's just not my style to be aggressive often and with little-to-no reason. Especially in a power madness game. A game without power roles, you may see me get more aggressive then.

My list is pretty much the same. Only move Darkfox to neutral/slightly summish, maybe since Rafay flipped town. So the next suspects to me would be Darkfox, Atiils, AbT, Medved, Jazzy, KevinH, Mandy, Rhizo, SBG. Kitkat, Brewers, Lach, Yehom I still lean towards being town. Tho if MK flips scum, Kitkat would move down to neutral then.

Decepticons are all lazy criminals who can't drive. Nuke'em all, I say! (Seriously tho, I don't even know your race Rafay nor do I care) You & MK both need to understand you're just messing up. Lies/contradiction/backpedalling without clear reasons/vagueness in your defenses seem extremely suspicious. There is still suspicion towards AbT too for him saying a cupid targetted him then saying it just said he was made a lover. That's just the reality of the game and it's not gonna change. If you want to be suspected less you need to adjust your play and not make those mistakes. You can't expect everyone to just ignore it and give a permanent pass on you. What if you really are scum? Some games you surely will be.

I have nothing against MK and no out-of-game reason to vote for him. He's just seemed the most suspicious with his vague explainations for his suspicious actions. His last post did seem pretty sincere tho, I'll say that. But if not him, who?

As I stated for my vote on Rafay he was acting the most suspicious and was lying. His lie was proven when he was lynched. If me being catching him in a lie makes me the scum in your mind then so be it. Regardless with him ending up being town I am happy with the vote, Rafay was extremely distracting and not a team player. But we didn't know he was lying until after Brewers vote. :x

Ha! Funny that now voting before Brewers might be used to condemn him when before, assuming Rafay would flip scum, Darkfox was considered to be probably town for the same reason. xD He is high on my list but there's a big gap between MK and everyone else. @MK - What do you mean you can't explain it? Just tell us why you thought Rafay was town.. are you saying it was just a hunch?

We ALL chose to ignore it because you didn't give evidence or strong reasoning for Rafay being town. You need to explain why it was so obvious Rafay was town. Maybe you tried before but it was unclear. In the meantime, Vote MK

Damn Rafay.. if you'd just been honest and said you were a bodyguard you might've lived. Bad move dude. Luckily town PRs seemed to have stopped another mafia kill so town is still in good shape.

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Just re-read D3: Darkfox votes Rafay. Bussing does seem somewhat unlikely. I mean, Rafay was definitely gonna get pressured but if his lynch was far from a sure thing until the Brewers counter. Still, his overall participation has been somewhat lacking and I can't help but have some feeling of suspicion towards him. - Slightly Townish Brewers counter would be a dumb scum move. I got a town vibe from him. - Probably Town Atliis extra confirm was odd. He's new tho so not sure what to make of it. - Scummish AbT said all the right things today. No big scum tells. No big town tells either. - Slightly Scummish (because of the whole cupid thing) Medved I did not notice any scum tells. I'd like him to talk a bit more, his quietness would seem scummy but I believe he's new too, right? So it's hard to read too much into it. - Scummish Jazzy is rather quiet normally but @Jazzy.. you should try to post a bit more. Last game you were the FBI Agent, you made a big reveal so you kinda got a pass on that. If we have no evidence quiet people are always going to be suspected and a preferred lynch over someone more active. - Scummish Kitkat I still think is town from when D1-D2 he posted something where he only thought of it from a town perspective. A scum could try that to look town but it's really kinda tough to pull off and seem geniune. It seemed geniune to me. Plus since then he hasn't made any huge reveals or got the vote in on Rafay before Brewers but he has been decently active and making good, townish posts IMO. - Townish KevinH did nothing in D3 that screamed scum, no obvious tell, but I really wish he would've pushed for no-lynch D2. Because we still didn't really know anything, free day. It feels very un-Kevin to me. Plus if he pushed for it first then maybe scum would've killed him and not me. - Scummish Lachiton - just seemed very town to me. Good activity. His posts & activity continue to be good and very townish IMO. - Townish Mandy I gave some consideration to protecting. He didn't seem quite as townish tho. Still doesn't. Not very scummy either tho. - Neutral Rhizo has made a lot of big posts with mostly good arguements and good points. He seems townish at times but then.. I remember him making big posts with some good logical arguements when he was scum before if I recall correctly. So I'd stay wary of him. - Neutral SBG did get in early with some of the Rafay interrogating iirc (even tho I just read it, it was so much, it's a blur).. but late enough he could just be going with the flow. If he were scum and Rafay is town, why not? If Rafay is town tomorrow he's one I'd be reviewing. - Slightly Scummish Yehom asked for me to post more while I was dead. xD A scum probably would not have done that since they'd know damn well I was dead! It could be a ploy to try to make me think exactly that but I'm doubtful that's the case. - Slightly Townish

Thanks everyone, glad to be back In a nutshell - town looks on the right track to me. Those leading the offensives against Rafay/MK all appear very town. If any of them are scum they're doing a fine job hiding it. I think scum is more likely to be among those who are sort've supporting from the wings. If Rafay/MK turn up town, that's where I'd look next.

Bah. I was too town for my own good, I guess. @TW hit me up if you need a replacement.

Yes. Your other questions, not so easy to answer. Really I'm not sure this rating system will do much to help. We already have a very good idea of who the more active participants are and who barely participates at all. We discuss it pretty much every game. Also if Rafay was gonna change his style from shaming he would've already. I think the more effective approaches will be raising the required post count a bit more and the community policing itself. The ratings might cause some drama/conflict too, potentially. All that being said. *shrugs* Maybe it'll help a bit. At the very least it'll be kind of interesting to see what everyone gets rated.

​Ah okay, cool. Since he had just said it was his first Mafia game I was wondering how he made a proper vote like that. It seemed almost coached to me. Like a more experienced scum partner said "vote for AbT, say this.. " but your explaination eases my suspicions. Wow. There's only 2 days left till deadline these guys better get to it.

​Atliis moving in for the kill! And with a solid reason too. Nicely done for someone who just started playing. Btw is this your first game of Mafia period or just on IRON forums? ​I'm sad Atliis never answered my question here

and the only way to know for sure is either lynch ABT or investigate ABT lynching means another townie might die in the process though. which is why we should wait to lynch abt until hes investigated. if you vote to lynch him there is a chance you are voting to lynch two people. Is that honestly worth the risk? and to be honest, would it be so bad if there is a town nymphomaniac to role claim and claim they targeted ABT? that way we would know its not the cupid and it would be 100% safe to investigate ABT and we would also know a lynch means that two people would die I like these ideas. Because while Rhizo's arguements do have me feeling more 50/50 on if AbT is scum, I'm still worried we could be wrong and if possible it'd be nice to avoid that.

This is some interesting analysis and I give you a townie point for it. ​Though I'm not sure targetting AbT was such a bad choice a more experienced player wouldn't make it. AbT has died early recently but that was to scum kills not lynchings and the scum doesn't have to worry about him dying to scum kills b/c they're scum and can control that. ​So even if AbT flips town be wary of the more experiences players too. (not that I think we should lynch him yet, I still lean towards him telling the truth) True. Stupid oversight on my part. ​It works in your favor with me tho because it shows you weren't thinking of it from a scum perspective which makes me think you're more likely town than not. ​I'm still kinda worried about KevinH personally because he playstyle is normally no-lynch D1 and this is essentially D1 repeated. By comparison Rhizo's motivation to lynch you seems more believable to me. ​@KevinH - why not no-lynch today?

This is some interesting analysis and I give you a townie point for it. ​Though I'm not sure targetting AbT was such a bad choice a more experienced player wouldn't make it. AbT has died early recently but that was to scum kills not lynchings and the scum doesn't have to worry about him dying to scum kills b/c they're scum and can control that. ​So even if AbT flips town be wary of the more experiences players too. (not that I think we should lynch him yet, I still lean towards him telling the truth)

​Atliis moving in for the kill! And with a solid reason too. Nicely done for someone who just started playing. Btw is this your first game of Mafia period or just on IRON forums?

​Occam's razor. The simplest explaination is he did get a msg from TW saying cupid targetted him and thought it best to tell town. ​The other explaination is that he is scum, looked at the roles and realized he could use cupid to avoid investigations and thought it worth it even though it would put attention on him and make him permanently a high lynch prospect. Not much more complex, not many more assumptions, but a bit IMO. ​So to clarify, I don't think he is confirmed town. I just lean towards him telling the truth and being town. We should still be wary of him and if we have no better prospects soon and towns are dying at night, lynching him would make sense.

If that's how it works it's a good thing he told town so they wouldn't target him and makes me think he probably town. ​

I agree it's not hard fluff. It's not like you were just joking about being Mayor of Ninok or something.. but it's not like you were giving amazing information that is getting us way closer to finding scum either. What you're posting could be a good way to look active while not really helping that much. I'd call this soft fluff. There's a lot of soft fluff, everyone posts some soft fluff, so it's not a huge scum tell but in the long run if that's all someone did all game.. I'd be rather suspicious of them. read posts #142-144 on page 8. To sum it up they were joking about Samus surviving n1 so he must be scum. It's a well-known and continuing joke/thing that Samus always dies before D2 aka 'a meme'. Brewers wasn't making a serious arguement he was just kidding. So yeah, I am serious that it seemed slightly off to me how Kevin replied to it as if it were serious. Not saying it's a huge scum tell just a tad suspicious and wanted to note it. Kind of like how you say you wanted to note those two quotes. So how is mine fluff and yours not? ​ I meant if you were scum which as far as I know you might be.

​If you consider that fluff then your big post was full of fluff. "This is interesting." "Hmm. Yep, just a 'hmm'" is extremely fluffy. Then you give some opinion on/explain some basic game stuff which is something scum can easily do and something they like to do to appear helpful but really it helps very little and is more than worth it to scum if it throws town off your trail.

​You know Samus dying N1 is a meme here right? I'm sure you do.. which makes this seem a little forced, just sayin' ​FoS Kevin

I did play a bit of pokemon and watch the cartoon a bit but overall my pokemon knowledge is very basic.