Canik

Annnnddd I'm back! Hmm.. now, to support Ali's plan or not? That is the question. Although it may not matter if Yehom won't allow it but I'd still be interested to hear ideas on it. If there's a sound plan maybe Yehom will change his mind.

A solid wall of analysis by Yehom. +1 town point for him. Look forward to reading a lot more analysis (from everyone) when I get back! ​I should be back before the next game day so long as the day isn't ended early. So plz don't end it early. <3 Good hunting, town!

I guess I could see werewolves not wanting to allow the possibility of Rhizo killing/tracking them. Not the call I would've made but I can see it. I agree. With Yehom & Lachiton being my 1st choices. But they're all close.

Yeah I think everyone has had power roles so far (even if they're crappy ones) so I'm sure the remaining werewolves have roles. Probably decent ones too. ​And 1-shot bulletproof makes the most sense. If werewolf roleblocked used it on Rhizo when Rhizo likely would've killed a town.. that'd be stupid. It was a safe kill but yeah, I would've gone for either TW, AbT or a random unknown. Wouldn't have gone for Jazzy in fear of a doctor protecting her.

​Wrong Place at the Wrong Time (Universal Miller) will do it. Which is what I roleclaimed so you should ​get a guilty result on me. If TW investigates he would get a guilty result too which would farther verify my claim. You did investigate me, right?

Glad Jazzy lived. Hopefully she investigated me and can verify I'm town now. ​Btw, just a heads up I'll be moving in just a few days and will be without internet access for several days. I may still find a way to pop in but in case I can't I'm going to go ahead and vote Rhizo. Please don't add a bunch of votes and lynch him early. *cough*Kitkat*cough* ​Vote Rhizo

These days take so long I almost forget there is a deadline. xD ​Glad we didn't end the day early we did get a lot of info, planning, reveals from the day. Good night everyone and don't let the werewolves bite. ​Vote Rafay

Sounds good to me. ​btw is it just me or has it been forever since Lach posted?

@Samus - AbT has a plan that involves him visiting you which means you'd be reloaded. ​Looks like a reasonable plan so long as PGO would kill everyone who visits. A big risk tho and I'm not sure it'd win us the game.. are we sure there is only 1 scum left? ​Also if Jazzy investigates me she can't do this too. Not in the same night.

Hmm.. as tempting as it is for me to continue not roleclaiming, because the longer I do the funny it's gonna be when it is revealed. I think it's best for town if I roleclaim now. (and already checked with Kevin to make sure it wouldn't cause mass roleclaim problems) ​I am Admiral Gial Ackbar, a Wrong Place at the Wrong Time Townie. (a Miller essentially) I didn't roleclaim early because, basically; I wasn't sure it's that much better for town, lets scum know to target someone else. Though it is probably better statistically and stuff to roleclaim off the bat.. I wanted to believe I could get away with not doing that somehow. Then not long into the game others started claiming, AbT said if there is a Miller he should claim now and I dunno, just felt town would still be very suspicious of me and potentially lynch me anyway. Plus by not claiming Miller I thought a scum might try it then I could counter-claim. ​Anyway, believe me or not, now you don't have to waste a investigation on me because you know I'll give a guilty result. That's how this helps town and why I am claiming now. ​I like to think Rhizo's D3 track was on me and I made him waste that track. ​

​Did he really roleclaim Nurse after? Wow.. ​He would've already known there is a re-loader so he could say that's why but still.. it's all very odd. Combined with the risks of reloading Samus you laid out, it's an very compelling case for not relading him. ​A little wary of taken advice from scum but it seems like good, logical analysis to me. ​Lynching Rhizo today eh? Hmm.. that's an interesting idea. He is the only one we absolutely know for sure is scum.. but you do bring up a good point that Rafay could get more kills in. And Rafay not posting isn't helping his case. ​I guess lynching Rafay first is the better thing. I agree. ​

Samus' explainations aren't bad. I lean, slightly, towards him being Town Vig right now. I don't envy the choice AbT has to make on whether or not to try to reload him tho and wouldn't blame him if he didn't.

I was about to say my only observation I'd add right now aside from the very obvious (I think Rhizo/Rafay are probably scum as advertised by their accusers. Samus lie is really weird and unnerving. Quiet people are quiet and suspicious is) is.. that Kitkat has just seemed suspiciously eager to lynch. Voting for me yesterday saying that we wouldn't get much information D3 otherwise which I thought was weak reasoning and it's been proven so now since we did get a ton of D3 info. Voted real quick for Rafay, more understandable but lack of care about ending the day early is a little suspicious. And I'm pretty sure he voted to lynch quickly in D1 too. ​Others are guilty of many of the same things. To some extent SM, Yehom & Brewers have done similar things but.. Kitkat stands out of the most. Behind him I'd rank SM, then Yehom, then Brewers. Brewers may be deserved to be ranked higher.. could he be a werewolf retired marine? ​BUT, that last post made me feel a bit better about Kitkat. It felt town. But still suspicious of him and obviously, he'd try to make all his posts feel town if possible.

It's the gladiator role and I wouldn't use it tonight. It's hard to imagine any scenerio where it'd be better to limit towns options.. maybe if you know who two scum are already it helps a little in ensuring town votes for known scum (which they should be doing anyway). In a game where everyone HAD to vote it'd be more interesting. Or if it was in the hands of scum, they could make good use of it. But for town? Essentially useless. ​Great reveal from TW. Can't wait to hear what Rhizo has to say about it.

​Dunno why I said 1-shot, I guess because I was thinking of him reloading 1-shots. ​About ending the day early: I might be down for ending it a little early if no discussion is happening but it's still far too early IMO.

Um, some people are saying AbT is confirmed town now. Unless I'm missing something he's only confirmed 1-shot reloader at the moment. But yes, he is very likely town. ​@KevinH - does no mass roleclaim also mean no mass name claim?

Um..... this post? https://ironcentral.org/community/topic/61143-kh-19the-last-jedi-mafia-day-4/page-33?do=findComment&comment=939341 Edit: stupid BBCode thing isn't working. Nope. Still dont get it. AbT says he doesn't believe Rafay, just like many of us. That doesn't mean whoever doesn't buy Rafay's weak defense is scum too. Rafay is claiming to be Yoda. AbT is claiming to be Yoda. If Rafay flips town, he will probably have disclosed his correct name. In which case, AbT is probably scum. Oops I misread that. I thought he was making fun of Rafay. I get it now. Thanks!! ​I missed that too, glad you said something. ​Considering that yeah really looks like Rafay is lying. If not, AbT & Jazzy would by lying which would just be so stupid on their part it can't be true.

Well we know for sure either Jazzy or Rafay are lying now. (see Kitkat, we did get some more info without lynching me ) ​Right now I am leaning heavily towards Rafay being the liar because Jazzy's claim is very believable and it's hard to see how it'd be worth it for him to lie. Even if a scum rolecop saw Rafay was a doctor.. the scum teams are thinned down they can't afford to kamikazi like that. ​Whereas Rafay, if he is a doctor, it's unfortunate for him because doctor seems like a decent claim for scum to fake. Just list people who are still alive and say you protected them. Might be a bit risky in that the real doctor could counter-claim but a doctor would not want to reveal himself and shouldn't unless it's absolutely necessary. ​If you do have more arguements tho Rafay, we'd like to hear them.

Noted, Samus. ​This vote talk reminds me.. ​Vote: No Lynch

Hmm.. just spent 35 minutes thinking about the votes today but in the end there isn't much worth mentioning as far as I can logic. Obviously there are scum hiding in the 'no voting' section but that section is so large a vast majority have got to be town. And I find it unlikely that the 3 who voted and pushed for a lynch today are scum. If I had to pick one I'd say Kitkat but he can be random and vote lightly.. so it's really not a strong tell on him. So it's not like being in one group or the other tells us much. ​All in all, I'd just say be very suspicious of the quieter ones. Most of the scum are probably there.

@ Kevin - your story was great, had me worried till the end but I couldn't ignore the track and all that. We were lucky I tracked you in specific because I didn't have a real solid reason to. Just got a little bad vibes from when you switched off TW and back to iSoc when before we'd been on the same page so much and iSoc wasn't a very realistic option. But I had bad vibes from others who were off the TW/Canik wagons too, bounced around a bit between them before deciding to go with tracking you. Could've been Robert, VGM, SBG instead. ​Good job to VGM too I was wary of you the entire game but generally leaned towards you being town. I tracked Robert the last night because of that. ​Rafay, as much as your quietness is loathed it did get you rather far. Not bad. Your supporting KevinH at the end might've worked had I not tracked him. Since I did tho that backfired big time. xD

Lynching me could provide a little information perhaps but nothing solid. And it is possible we get more info tomorrow since this is a role madness game. Two investigators may already be dead but there could still be something like tracker/watchers still out there. Plus a bit of info perhaps from the night kills.

In honor of Ninok's mayor who selflessly sacrificed himself (and TW) to stop the murders of Ninok the city was finally renamed to Canik. ​

​Well, as I said I don't apply extreme pressure all over the place at random. However in D2 I started voting Samus to put a little pressure & encourage posting hopefully. Samus criticized voting on inactives (tho IMO if you have no leads it's better than sitting around with no vote) and said something about his votes being more serious. What you need to understand here is that I had just lead a mislynch on TW in the Pick Your Power game and at the time things seemed to be going very poorly so I was frustrated, didn't really want to take the lead again, didn't have any real leads so I figured I'd just follow Samus. See how he does. ​He did make a decent case against CoD although it was still highly speculative. It was as good as any other theories at the point so I followed and voted for CoD. Which added pressure against him. So that's 2 pressures applied. ​Then the Imran wagon gained some momentum and Imran roleclaimed. I made a couple of posts questioning Imran and his logic (applying pressure in my book), I wanted to go ahead and switch votes but wanted to keep following Samus if possible. That's why I waited until so close to the deadline. ​Oh and today of course I put some pressure on Jazzy, Kitkat, Rafay and to some extent SBG/TW questioning the motives behind his orginal Imran accusations. Or 'casting shade' as TW might call it. ​So that's at least 7 people I've applied some amount of pressure to in the past day and a half. Don't ask for post links, go back and find them yourself or wait for people who've been here to confirm. I'm not digging through for all the links. ​Not lecturing, just looking on the bright side in the scenerio that I am lynched. ​No I don't insist on judging us on just one action. I was fine with your explaination the first time you gave it but you asked why I found it funny in the first place so I answered.

Your list looks a lot like mine so far. The lurkers Jazzy, Rafay, Kitkat are among your top suspects. The roleclaimers Brewers & Lego you think are town. Only differences are you find SBG/TW less suspicious and Yehom more suspicous but only due to 'gut feelings'.. the latter almost seems like it was added so you're top scums were the exact same listed as mine. ​If blending in was a primary concern of mine I wouldn't have hammered Imran. Also I've been talking plenty and applying pressure about as much as I always do. Maybe a bit less this game due to circumstances but in general, I don't tend to go around randomly applying extreme pressure all over the place it's just not my style. ​I found it curious you didn't mention he was on the wagon and his reasoning was at least as bad as mine if not worse. From his reply on the matter it seems a lot worse to me. But you used those same things to accuse me of scumminess. That's what I found funny and why. ​***** ​Anyway, looks like we have another supposed scum hunting expert. After mostly mislynching lately I find a lot of joy in seeings others fail when they are acting all confident and being critical of my own scum hunting style. So lynch me if yall want or don't, doesn't matter, it's a win-win for me.