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Yeah, pretty much. Although I try to take those things into account, the thing is I'm still going to tend to want to lynch a non-talkative player over one who talks. Because talking is an essential part to this game and those who do talk give more to analyze. Why kill them first? Unless there is good evidence against them. Sucks for Rafay and I do try not to pick on the quiet ones TOO much but at the end of the day, it seems like the better strategy to me. So, sorry Rafay, don't take it personally I'm just doing the logical thing as I see it. ​Sorry I don't have unreasonable confidence in who is scum and who isn't and that I was rather consistent and not all over the place. My bad. xD ​If my thoughts on who is scummy should be more extreme because of evidence go ahead and share that evidence please. Even if you keep voting for me, I'd like to hear it and I'm sure the rest of town would too. ​As my motive for voting Imran.. I think my motive was the best personally. Most others just bandwagoned. It is true there could be a 2nd scum on the Imran wagon but the odds of picking the right one is still low. There were 7-8 people on that wagon. Also find it kind of funny you may no mention of Brewers being on that wagon.. and what was his reasoning again? ​Honestly AbT, it's like you're not even trying to scum hunt too much.

Hmm.. I did consider moving you down because I knew you had been involved in some discussion. Accusing Brewers/Lego isn't a huge positive tho for me when I lean towards them being town. I will revise my list a bit and say I do rate you lower than Rafay/Jazzy. Closer to Yehom/Lachiton but still find you a bit scummier personally. No offense but I just find your posts a little less convincing. ​Not really, it doesn't seem to be a great indication of who is scum or not. In the Pick Your Power game the 2 scum we've killed stayed off the town-lynching wagons. Doesn't mean there won't ever be scum on town wagons we know one scum (Lord MK) was on the Imran wagon but there's a good chance many of them are town. We also know one scum (iSoc) was no voting.

​It would be good for town if more people at least gave their thoughts on remaining players/gave suspect lists. Here's mine: ​Most Scummy: ​Rafay - need I say more? He no voted yesterday too which past D1 I generally frown upon. Although I must say with all the power roles.. maybe we should've gone no lynch D2 but it wasn't as clear then and if that was his reasoning would've been nice of him to post it. So I doubt that was his reason. More likely just wanting to lay low. ​Kitkat - Is Kitkat really still alive? Quiet and says some questionable thing but this is not far from the norm for Kitkat so who knows? Voted for Brewers yesterday and even tho I lean towards Brewers being town I give a little town point to Kitkat for that. Appears to be trying more than Rafay at least. ​Jazzy - New player so it's hard to say if scummy mistakes are a result of newness or scumminess. Still, can't ignore the scummy mistakes. Plus Jazzy no voted yesterday. Somewhat Scummy: ​Lord Sunday - just helped us out a bit clearing up the Supersaint role but scum will look for ways seem helpful. Him no voting yesterday is suspicious to me though. ​The Warrior - SBG started the wagon on Imran leading to his mislynch. His reasoning seemed somewhat weak to me but then Imran's response (roleclaiming and advertising he "definitely" had a strong role rather early) seemed so fake and scummy to me I joined in. (plus it looked like a no lynch may happen and generally you want to lynch after D1) Anyway, grabbing a little scummy thing and making a case for it and letting town join in on the lynch is not a bad strategy for scum. I worry this may be what SBG was doing. Though I list him (now TW) as only 'somewhat' scummy because at least he appeared to by trying. And Imran did seem scummy to me too in the end. ​Sister Midnight - Voted at the end on the Imran wagon.. could be a good move to seem town, why would scum join a wagon they know is town and the lynch is already sealed? But I'm a little doubtful SM would make that gambit.. more or less neutral on SM. ​Yehom & Lachiton - Both voted on Brewers. Neutral on them both. ​Rhizo - Voted on Brewers. Quite a bit of analysis and talking. Leaning slightly town towards him but Rhizo will post a lot even if scum so gotta keep an eye on him. ​Least Scummy: ​Brewers - while the roleclaim by him seems like a mistake to me, I think it's probably legit. He seems geniunely unafraid to be lynched too. Could be scum and playing it well but leaning towards him being town. Keeping an eye on him but for now he's in my less scummy catagory. ​Lego & Samus - ^ same reasoning as Brewers tho they haven't shown as much willingness to be lynched. Haven't had as much opportunity to do so perhaps, so I don't count it against them too much. However, I would say they seem slightly more suspect than Brewers. ​Robert - confirmed town by Mod so if he's not, gonna be real upset with Kevin. ​I think that's it.. went back to the ending votes yesterday to analysis that but didn't read through all 28 pages to analysis all their posts.

In that case I'd say there is a very high probability of there being an SK then. Thanks for clearing up the Supersaint role, LS. ​

Werewolf probably has partners. I'd guess 2-3 werewolf. 3 mafia. 1 SK. ​I am finding SK more likely each night 3 kills happens. Though someone did say Supersaint means you can kill someone when you die? If that's true + with the cupid role the night before it still may be a possibility there is no SK. But throw in Brewers roleclaim as well and I lean towards SK being in the game.

Good luck town. Avenge your mayor!

​^ I already did here. ​While discussing the wisdom of Lego's roleclaim I mentioned we don't know if we have a doctor and Robert took this as role fishing. Which, one could say you just did yourself by 'making room for me to roleclaim'. Anything that might encourage town to post their roles could be seen as role fishing but it's not anywhere close to a guarentee that they're scum. Otherwise, that means you'd be scum too. Also everyone who voted for Imran before he roleclaimed. Also anyone else who mentioned roles we don't know if we have.

​No, I haven't roleclaimed.

​Unless he has evidence there's no way for him to use the Gladiator ability "well".. without real evidence he's basically guessing and it just limits our options to his guesses. How does that help town? He shouldn't have used it last night and he shouldn't use it tonight either unless some seriously damning evidence on someone is revealed.

I did stick with it till final hours but it seemed CoD wasn't going to be lynched and Imran's roleclaim seemed so fake I was pretty sure he was scum. ​Btw, everyone who voted after me.. +.5 town points to you all. Scum isn't likely to join that late on a secure wagon they know is town.

Wow.. interesting role. Kind of a messed up role tho because people are gonna feel the pressure to use it while they can and potentially hurt town as Robert probably just did. Because all this really accomplished is limiting our choices to two people who there is no evidence against just Robert's gut feeling. Which I know is was off in my case. ​Robert thought I was scum just because I pointed out we don't know if we have a doctor. So he thinks I was role fishing.. tho I don't blame him TOO much for choosing me as I was on the Imran wagon too. He is wrong tho and really, probably should've risked saving his shot. His role claim also arguably hurts town because now scum know not to target him. About the SK role: It is becoming a little more believable. At first I thought it'd be unfair to town but I guess maybe not since there is so much scum for SK to kill too and so many players in general. ​@ Samus - your serious vote would've been seriously wrong it seems xD

unless thats to make sure lego doesnt RB vgm since vgm is the 3rd scum and is planning on doing the killing ​well I could still track VGM.. but I guess I may not be able to give results if they kill me. So you do make an interesting point there Brewers

xD ​if Kevin flips scum just use your best judgement, Lego ​You may end up blocking the N3 Vig potentially but in this scenerio iSoc is probably 1-shot vig town and can kill Rafay. So that's not a huge concern, worth the risk I think because you could potentially block a scum kill too. ​VGM, SBG, Robert are fine candidates.. ​and VGM just posted while I posted suggesting to roleblock Rafay in this scenerio.. eh.. not SURE it's a great idea but I'd consider it. Rafay could still do the night kill potentially, I think even if he's killed his kill still goes through too. Also Rafay acted like he had a role.. who knows really but whatever he has could be worth stopping. So he could be an acceptable candidate too. But keep'em guessing, don't tell us who exactly you'll go for. Hmm.. actually, on second thought, VGM's plan does sound pretty good.. but whatever you wanna do, Lego.

​ ​I'm doubtful that scenerio would happen but if it did then Lego blocked iSoc (who would be virtually confirmed town at that point) or iSoc lied about his role. Which would mean one of them is probably scum. If Kevin is scum tho, Rafay should be the one killed. Hands down. His big post supporting Kevin at the beginning of the day would be infinitely scummier at that point then anything Brewers may have done.. and there is no reason to get tricky with the vig kill. There's no Doctor or Jailkeeper. ​and of course if Kevin flips town, iSoc should be the one killed if there is a N3 Vig. iSoc should also be roleblocked in that scenerio.

Yes, Frigid investigated Lach and said something like Lach is innocent/town. If Lach isn't town I'll be pretty damn annoyed with Frigid.

​Surprising to see Lego & Brewers on that list but alright, noted.

Well only.. just 7 hours I think until deadline. Seems like we won't get to see if Samus is right or wrong on CoD today and Imran seems very scummy to me with his premature claim and advertising he's a strong power role and being like "Darn you guys! Now I'll probably be killed!".. yeah, if you're really town you probably would be after advertising it that much. I don't buy it, I think Luke Skywalker was a safe name he was given. So.. ​Unvote CoD ​Vote Imran ​ ​

It'd take 3 votes for iSoc because Kevin got to 4 votes first. (unless someone unvotes on the Kevin wagon)

​I find your lack of faith disturbing.. *force chokes Imran* Noooooooo that's the wrong movie! How dare ye ​It was just too fitting. xD ​His lack of faith literally disturbs me. It means he's either scum or screwing up as one of towns stronger roles. ​About all the SK stuff: ​Rhizo makes some good points and I'm leaning now towards there being a SK and Brewers is probably town. When risk/reward is that bad and it's something kind of elaborate, you can generally assume scum ain't doing it.

Interesting. ​KevinH you better post something too, radio silence would not look good.

​I find your lack of faith disturbing.. *force chokes Imran*

Just a reminder; the deadline is Monday. (for real this time! xD)

Well, technically you nameclaimed not roleclaimed and there's not much reason to believe everything is as it seems. For a Mod to actually make Luke Skywalker town & a powerful town seems like it would be the exception not the norm. As for "having" to claim due to the votes on you.. no, really.. you probably could've gotten out of it without a claim. Claiming that easily was an error on your part IMO.

I think it's pretty much a fact that Kevin is Backup/Rolecop but since role =/= alignment it doesn't matter much. Makes his argument plausible (that he only visited to watch Frigid) but doesn't prove he's innocent. Rolecop is traditionally a scum role too, what help would that have been to town? ​Anyway Kevin & iSoc both of you should consider posting your final thoughts soon. Who do you think would be scum partners of the other and what-not. If you're really town you should want to leave us with all the info you can even if it's speculative.

Still have 4-5 days till deadline but I hope to hear more from Rafay, VGM, SBG, Robert well before then. I'm pretty certain 1, very likely 2 scum hiding out in there. ​VGM made a decent post before altho it wasn't very conclusive and the amount of shade VGM keeps trying to cast on me is a little curious (to me at least, tho I'm biased).. and his theories of "I worry this is some big elaborate trap, sacrificing scum to make the other scum seem town" are rather unrealistic. ​SBG voting on Rafay.. not AS suspicious of this because I think there's a good chance Rafay & KevinH are scum partners.. if KevinH flips town tho, maybe SBG is iSoc's partner trying to redirect votes off iSoc. ​Robert.. if I recall correctly came out against iSoc earlier. Potentially part of a Kevin/Rafay/Robert team. He didn't vote tho I guess, or unvoted. Overall he's seemed fairly quiet, not making many waves, staying under the radar. ​Rafay.. suspicions on him are well documented no need to repeat them again I think.