Imran Ehsan

As I indicated the ability has a limited number of shots. I would much rather use it when its most needed. Also, even if I were to survive the kill, it doesn't prove anything as a scum roleblocker could've easily just blocked Fermion's action. If I were to use my ability, I would much rather have my townliness proved and I see the tracker strategy working a whole lot better than this one. But you said I am scum because I was looking for an easy kill by telling Fermion to shoot you. But if you can commute at night how am I advocating for an easy kill?

This does not add up by the way. N2 is fine but N1 is not. It could add up, but there's no way to prove it. Mandarijn could easily have visted me, or Rafay could easily be lying about it. He said he watched Mandarijn. A watcher is not a tracker or follower.

"Disagreeing with everyone", "arguing with everyone" Strong words. OK. Lets look at these. Day 1: My stance has always been no lynch is a bad move for the town. I say so and explain clearly my reasons in post 147 I also shoot down ABT's strategy in Post 162 Day 2 starts. I get voted on by you immediately. Followed by bandwagon vote by Avater. So with 2 votes on me already with flimsly reasons of "gut feeling" and "I agree with him" Me: Avater backs out after being questioned by ABT My reply Yeah i disagree that Day 2 votes should not be fun votes. Voting without valid reasons are also bandwagoning. Thats the way I look at it. But I guess its called arguing. Rhizo responds to my post: Yeah. I started arguing and disagreeing with ppl. Later on he posts: Yeah. Nice spinning there from Rhizo. Except I had already addressed this is my post 162: (link provided above) And then Shah comes out vague and completely confusing good cop bad cop strategies and some other stuff that makes no sense at all. And followed by a vote. So of course I responded to that. But I guess in this game responding to accusations is called arguing with everyone. Fine. I will lurk like the majority are already doing and say "yes sir. thank you sir for voting me. You are so kind". I have played in a lot of games when the game died because of inactivity. Take a look at the Mafia records game. And its no fn. So I suggest to you all to make it fun if you can. Because i wont be putting in the effort anymore.

Sorry. This is the last one I promise.

I watched Mand and Imran during night t see who visited them. These ppl visited them. This does not add up by the way. N2 is fine but N1 is not. As it seems like Rafay is lying, lets take a look back at one of my scenarios.

If you can commute at night, why are you so worried?

Its Day 3. Of course by now most role will be known. You should have played the last game where everyone was role claiming left and right and everyone had their roles known by Day 3 or so. The scum had to come up with fake roles to even survive that game. This game is much better. We still dont know the roles of you, SM and iSocialism.

Why wouldnt you recommend it? Scum need only 1 person to do the kill not 2. So even if you are tracked and the result is you did no action, that doesn't prove that you are not scum. Agreed but there would be just 2 scum left and one has to do the action. If neither of the two investigated makes an action then the third must be the one who did the kill. I don't see a need to force my hand into making an action or take a action that increases the probability of town loss when there is just a simple mathematical elimination that can be done to ensure town wins. Also, as I mentioned, I have a limited number of actions, so I would much rather keep the option open to use the ability of not. Doesn't look like a very valid reason. You are probably scum who got caught lying about your role.

What? When did I ever vote no lynch? If you are gonna vote to lynch me at least give a correct reason not a false one.

Lol

pfft. You can still access our mafia forum without a nation. Mafia transcends CN.

^ Well thats a bit premature as we dont know if TW is scum or not. But since he hasnt posted here I am assuming he is. Because a townie getting lynched normally gives reactions from outrage, disappointment, "you killed the only townie who could save you!" etc reactions. Nothing from him of that kind yet.

Why wouldnt you recommend it? Scum need only 1 person to do the kill not 2. So even if you are tracked and the result is you did no action, that doesn't prove that you are not scum.

And since I seem to be rambling on, I might as well add another idea. If TW turns up scum, Fermion should shoot d3mon at night. If d3mon is not lying about his commuter ability he wont get killed and we know for certain d3mon is town because a scum commuter makes no sense. If d3mon is scum he will die and thats another scum dead. If he does not die we can lynch iSoc and SM the next 2 nights and wrap up this win for the town.

oh and I forgot another scenario. TW turns up scum but all 3 scum are on the kevin wagon. That would mean d3mon, SM and iSoc are all scum. But the possibility of that is low imo. I havent seen a lurking group come out enmasse so dramatically before. TW turns up town i meant.

OK lets say TW turns up town. That puts the spotlight on Rafay, Kevin, COD, Fermion and me I guess. Lets say Rafay's scummy behavior is not a warped playstyle but actually indication of scum who actually is not a Watcher. A scum Watcher can easily reveal his results. There is no reason to hide them. However, Rafay may be a JOAT who used his Watch action on N2. He does not want to reveal his results because he didnt watch anyone on N1 and therefore cant provide concrete evidence. So this is the only scenario that fits with a scum Rafay. Another possibility is Kevin/Rafay combo with each confirming the others role. In this case they teamed up to lynch TW with their 3rd partner probably not on the TW wagon. And lastly another possibility is Fermion is actually scum. In that case I dont beleive Kevin is on the same scum team with him, but possibly Rafay is. I am pretty positive COD is town..or he really has me fooled. In any case I believe the possibility of any of the above scenarios happening is very small. So pretty confident that TW is scum.

This is true. The only reason past game actions is coming up is because Shah is trying to build a lynch wagon on what Samus said on D1, which was basically he thinks I am scum because apparently I played the same way in the last game where I was scum. Shah is grasping at straws to get a lynch wagon on me and hence his posts look desperate.

If TW turns up scum I find it very unlikely that both of his scum buddies will vote for him to get him lynched. If both Kevin and TW are scum they would have tried to get a wagon going on Fermion. I dont see why kevin will switch from his vote on you to TW when he could have easily switched to Fermion as he was doing early in the day. That would mean they were sure to get a townie lynched and there wouldnt be any need for sacrificing one of their scum buddies. tldr: If TW is scum, everyone on the Kevin wagon is suspect, not the other way around. If TW turns up town then your theory applies. ps: Rafay always plays scummily. So I dont necessarily see his actions as scummy. I would say its his normal play style. What would matter is if he hammered home a lynch on a scum when he was the deciding factor.

ps: I know ABT is disliking this I would like to amend my earlier statement. It seems like Samus had played 2 games with me. The other one being IRON City mafia when he was actually the scum. But that was played over a year ago so I didnt remember.

With all respects to Samus, Samus is pretty much a noob in this game. He has played only 1 game with me and in that game he got killed on N2. I think before that he played only 1 game ( i didint play that one but I guess he played well there). But he is not like some Mafia GOD that Shah is trying to claim in that he can know I am scum just by looking at some of my random posts on D1. If it was Kevin, Lyner or Kaz who made that claim it will at least be more credible. They have played plenty of games with me and know how I play normally. But just trying to get me lynched Based on Samus' clueless accusation just reeks of desperation.

OK here's Shah's response to our very valid queries. ABT: Shah: Overall thoughts. Shah is posting a lot of fluff and making up accusations out of thin air hoping something would stick. His posts feel desperate to me. He is not basing his accusations based on any facts but he has his mind made up that he has to accuse me of being scum in any way possible. Lots of claims and accusations in between vague references and fluff. He is hoping more people will jump on the bandwagon if he keeps on the manta is "Imran is scum" "Imran is scum". This game has a half majority rule. So at deadline they need only 5 people to be voting on one guy to get him lynched. He saw I already had 2 votes on me. So he jumped in. Would have been 3 votes on me if Hitler had not unvoted. Rhizo's attacks at me out of nowhere in the scenario is also suspicious. They are looking to get a quick lynch of one of the most active townie players very early. Now, as he has alreaded waded into the mud of trying to get me lynched he cant come up with valid accusations against me so he has resorted to posting vague and fluff posts which mean nothing. Another point. He wants the cop to investigate me. Thats fine. But when I said the cop should investigate Shah the next night. He quickly replies the cop should investigate ABT the next night before investigating him. So basically he wants the cops action to be tied up for 2 nights so that he and his scum buddies dont get investigated. Thats a cute attempt. I have never seen anyone act so scummy on D2 before. And I think my vote will be well placed. Vote: Shah One more point.

Since the mod hasnt closed the thread yet, we can leave our last thoughts. The night actions should be decided based on whether TW turns up scum or not. If he is scum, then all those on the kevin wagon are suspect. If not, all those on the TW wagon are suspect. Its simple. Any last thoughts TW?

Yes lets hear them. Unvote Avater's vote can be justified as a noob playing his first game. But Shah seems to be the one who started this day with a "plan". So to show that I am gonna listen to your substantiated claims with an open mind, I am not even going to vote for you yet. Lets hear those accusations first.

He doesnt need to read it. He knows exactly what he's doing. Pretty much what he did in the last game where he was scum. Completely vague and tangential posts that confuse everyone but mean pretty much nothing.

So let me get this straight. Lets say I find your posts to be extremely suspicious and scummy. Although this is purely based on just some random posts and not on any lynch wagons or night investigations. I get killed at night (or get lynched as your are trying to do). So tomorrow we know that you are scum and we should lynch you right? Just want to clarify your points.