Imran Ehsan

I never said I claimed to be a VT on D1. Again, you are trying to spin words that I did not say. Dude, it didnt work for you last game. People figured out (although late) that you were scum and you are back to this again. Anyway, I never said I claimed VT. Some of the posts ppl were making make it pretty clear to understand who is posting from the POV of a VT and some who were being very ambiguous (like Lyner). I said things like "guys with PR this is what you should do..etc etc." This indicates that I am a VT. Of course I may be trying to throw the scum off my trail by acting like that but the fact remains that some of us posted from the POV of a VT. You are again spinning and spinning things to get another lynch wagon on me. deja vu? Last time you were scum and posted pretty much the same things..taking words from my mouth and spinning them to make it seem like what you wanted me to say. Back to your old tricks again?

Lynching inactives day after day is a very bad strategy. It gives no info for scum hunting. Like I said a safe lynch for the scum. For good or bad we need to take out an active scum first. Just ranting about it doesnt make your accusation valid. Look at the last 2 games you played. Lynching inactives gave no info to town. Hwen you got lynched winning became very easy for town because then we know ppl who were taking sides and which sides. Its not that hard to understand. Spinning wont make it so.

Again, didnt you try this last game as well? Trying to twist my words into what Is aid or did not say. OK then. I will break it down for you in very easy small sentences so its easy to understand and you cant try to misinterpret in any way you want. 1. I have always advocated for a Lynch on D1. 2. I have always said Lurkers should be lynched on D1, not inactives who can be replaced and in this game specially wont be able to give an indication if they were PRs or now. 3. I was the one who thought Fermions posts were extremely scummy. I called him out and laid out my reasons. But he responded with some very reasonable arguments which made me rethink my accusation. 4. I am not extremely stiff or so sure of myself that I think I am always right. If someone can explain their actions/posts I look at it objectively and reassess. Fermions response convinced me that he should not be lynched based on the info we have on D1. 5. That does not mean I agree that the inactive Robert should be lynched. Inactive Robert should be replaced. I unvoted from Fermion because I did not wish to see him lynched on D1 specially as Canik had just replaced him. He was on 3 votes then, 1 more vote and he would have been lynched ahead of Robert. So of course as it was a choice between Robert and Canik, I said better Robert than Canik from whom i was interested to hear more in the later days. 6. Again, this does not mean I support the Lynch of a complete inactive on D1. I said lurkers should be lynched and I moved to vote the lurker iSocialism. Day 1: Lurker needs to be lynched, not inactives or actives. Is this clear now or will you spin some more tale about what I was tryng to do? Ok on to your next rant. O, because you didn't want to be associated with the lynch of a townie, and now look to turn that around on KH because he was the deciding vote. Now we're day 2, now Imran is all against voting a lurker or an inactive person, and instead wants to go after an active player. His reasoning to not vote Canik Day 1 was because he rather an inactive over and active, now Day 2 comes, and it's the exact opposite. You had the opportunity to not vote an inactive on Day 1, you had the opportunity to vote someone who would give us something as well as likely help clear your name, but no you didn't...voting an inactive one in your book is better then voting an active one...yet now it's not. I already said, after Fermions final post I no longer was getting scum vibes from Canik. But it seems like you are trying to bring out what happened in Day 1 and try to get a lynch on Canik today. Interesting.

woow. Holy hell..walls of texts. Rhizo back to his completely scummy rants again. This reminds me of him from the last game when he suddenly came alive after being accused of scum and started posting walls and walls of texts full of incoherent rambling. This time it seems we hit a raw nerve with voting on TW. I am not sureif he does this on purpose..but its almost impossible to respond to all his accusations when he is writing hundreds of lines in a row. You tried it last game too but it did not work..you were still lynched as scum. I had a good townie vibe from you, but seems like you have gone back to your scummy rants. Anyway, lets see if I can make sense of some of his ramblings piece by piece. Please bear with me as I may not get to all of them in one go but I will address them all. Walls of rants does not mean you get a free pass. Here we go. What? So I am scummy because I was busy in RL and had not had time to read the thousands of lines of crap you were posting in this thread? I am sorry but reading your posts really make me stop playing this game because I dont have the time to read lines and lines of your ramblings in the limited time I have to come and play this game. So forgive me if I post something more interesting ala "Game of Thrones" thread because I cant make myself read through your walls and walls of rants in this thread. Secondly, please stop whining about what happened to you in another game. If anyone gave you a free pass or not. Its pathetic. You posted scummy and you looked scummy and you were therefore lynched and town was right. Whining about it now wont change it.

You ignored the scenario I posted. If you were scum and you thought Lyner was the cop (because of his keeping a low profile) and him posting clearly that you and Rhizo look suspicious to him, you would think there is a high probability of Cop Lyner to investigate you at night. So, even though you knew killing him will put you on the spotlight on the next day it is still better than the cop investigating you and confirming 100% you are scum. In this scenario, taking out the cop is a lot more beneficial to the town instead of other active players who are scum hunting. Me and ABT had pretty much indicated on Day 1 that we are VTs..i think someone else did too but I cant remember now...so we were not at the top the scum hit list. I said voting to lynch another lurker/inactive on D2 is not a good idea. We should try to get a lynch which gives us more info to scum hunt on D3. Whitebeard is a very safe lynch. If he turns up town you can say.."oh well..he was posting so scummily, you cant blame us for lynching him". He may very well be scum as the other lurkers iSoc or Rafay, but he should not be the lynch target on D2 is my point. We try to take out the active scums first and theres a couple of them at least I think.

Yeah but Arya doesnt know that. She will be thinking they will still be looking for her. They dont show the name. I am assuming here...she doesnt have anyone else that she could possibly be sending a letter to. She sent Brienne to Riverrun so that rules Blackfish out. Only one left is Littlefinger. Deadwood was an awesome show. Too bad they cancelled it..but to be fair Season 3 was really boring.

Well I managed to skim through most of it. I need to go back and look at some of the more suspicious posts again but that can be done later. My thoughts, i. Lyner was targetted because he was keeping a low profile. Scum thought he may be cop. Agreed on this part with ABT. ii. Lyner also was suspicious of TW and Rhizo. So its also possible one (or both) TW or Rhizo is scum and with Lyner acting like a cop (see point i) scum new there is a very big chance they will get investigated and hence caught as scum. So they could not take that chance and had to take out Lyner. If this is true one (or both) of TW and Rhizo is scum. iii. I agree with some of the others who are saying that TW is playing pretty similarly when he was scum in his previous games while Rhizo is playing a bit differently (a bit more pro town). But both these guys has by now plenty of opportunity to know what to expect when they are scum so it is possible they have fine tuned their strategies to look "more town". This is specially true for Rhizo who was lynched as scum in his last 2 games while TW was never caught in one of his games. iv. Personally I am getting town vibes from Rhizo, mainly because he pointed out the flaw in the breadcrumbs theory on D1. So either he has really fine tuned his strategy to look town this time around or he is town for once. Conclusion: TW is number 1 suspect Now, Lets look at the lynch wagon. Robert2424 (4): Mandarijn, Rafay, Chaplain of Death, King Hitler, I thought the Robert lynch was pretty bad, We should not be lynching complete inactives. Lurkers are better choices for D1 and there are plenty of them in this game: iSoc, Rafay and Whitebeard. But still ppl went off to lynch the completely inactive Robert which I found disturbing. The hammer vote was given by King Hitler. I have found some of his posts a but scummy as well. Conclusion: KH is number 2 suspect In Day 2 we really should not be going for lynching another inactive person. These are safe lynches for scum. Anyone pushing to do this on D2 is scummy in my eyes. Whitebeard appears to be a crappier version of Rafay. So while lynching him or Rafay probably wont hurt the town much, it will also not give much info to the tow for scum hunting. People voting for low profile players are suspects TW and KH both fall in this category. Third scum may be one of the lurkers iSoc or Rafay. I doubt WhiteBeard is scum. A scum wont be posting complete nonsense now and then to draw attention to himself They would try to keep a very low profile like iSocialism. Vote: The Warrior At the moment, I am getting the most town vibes from ABT and I also agree with most of his points, so I will follow him with the TW vote (in addition to my suspicion of him)

Episode 7 starts here Hound is back. Expected. Cleganebowl incoming. North doesnt want to support Jon and Sansa, because, wildlings. Expected. Sansa writes to Littlefinger for help. Expected. Margeary is playing the High Sparrow. Expected. Book Jaime is a lot more awesome than the show Jaime who is just pathetic. Blackfish is pretty cool though. Great that he is back. Arya gets stabbed. Whoa! Doesnt die though. So it will be interesting to see what she does next. Try to run away from Braavos in that ship and hope the faceless men dont follow. Or go on the offense and take out the faceless men so that they cant come for her. Finally, Ian McShane! Hell yeah!! ...... awww shucks, he is dead.

Sorry guys RL has been crazy lately. I still havent caught up with reading all the walls of texts yet. Hopefully by tomorrow I will be able to *fingers crossed*

Thats a whole load of walls of texts to g through. So I will post my thoughts after I get a chance to read through them when I get time.

Boring episode. But Tommen going all religious. Didnt see that coming.

No. There are other valid targets as well. Lurkers: iSocialism, Rafay Scummy posts (but probably nooby posts): Whitebeard I will go back to my previous choice. Vote: iSocialism

This was a joke in bad taste. But racism? I wont classify it as such. Racism is when you think that the majority of black people are criminals or when you refuse to hire someone based on his race. Or when you dont want to live next to someone from another race or you refuse to grant them entry to your country just based on their race. There are no shortages of examples of racism not only in the west but also in eastern countries. Arabs and the chinese are generally as much if not more racist then americans or europeans. It exists everywhere, at most places instigated and encouraged by politicians for their own gain. But this is just a bad attempt at a joke and I doubt they really meant that all Black people should be washed to make them clean (or white or chinese in this case).

I didnt find Canik's post that scummy tbh. I am gonna unvote him in case of a late vote to lynch him. I dont like the robert lynch as well but a completely inactive player is better than an active one. Unvote

Its politically incorrect thats for sure, but I dont think blatantly racist. This is also stereotyping. Thats because you have a large number of African Americans. You make an ad like that in USA you are basically mocking your own citizens.

I am not very comfortable with lynching someone completely inactive. I would rather they be replaced. If he has a power role he cant come and put up a defense. Lurkers need to be lynched nit the inactives,

Good post from Fermion. I am still not entirely convinced because his last posts were scummy but his last one looked genuine.

Can we try to get Samus as a replacement for Fermion. It will be funny if he gets replaced in and immediately gets lynched.

Masked. Welcome.

Scum party will be in a quandary. If Fermion is scum they can't really sacrifice him on d1. If he is town they don't want to be seen Wagoning in on a townie lynch. So I am interested to see how this unfolds. Watcha gonna do my scum friends? if you mysteriously go inactive without taking a stand I will have my eyes on you. @kevin - do scum have day talk in this game?

A have a good feeling about lynching Fermion and we should do it. I*

Yeah it doesnt make sense. They went back to the past to see Brandon riding off to the war. It wasnt some extremely important part of history that Bran really needed to see before the dead arrived. Thats why I said, they butchered up the story.

I thought the Bran-Hodor story was butchered up. It was pretty emotional but doesnt make sense. When they hear the dead are coming why do they have to run off to the past and grab control of the young Hodor in the past. Why not stay in the present and take over Hodors mind to "hold the door" and help them escape. Interesting to know that the Children were the culprits who created the Others. Makes sense somewhat.

How do you know Robert is a Vanilla and not a power role? Well mod also mentioned he will continue until a replacement is found. So he should post more to clear his name (or implicate himself further ) before he is replaced.

I am not getting the scum vibe from you in this game........yet Lets put pressure on Fermion to post more. Unvote Vote: Fermion