Lachiton

I was waiting for AbT to post, so I was lurking. But with this unnecessary cop counter claim, even when I never actually claimed cop, I had to reveal everything before I could analyze AbT's defense. This is a important lesson to everyone, if someone has not fully claim, you dont counterclaim, no matter whoever tries to push for it. There are other roles too with cop power, more so when I said I will full claim. I dont understand the rush to try to prove me wrong, when the accused had yet to mount his defense.

You guys just jumped on conclusions for no reason. Did I at any point of time claim I am traditional cop? I said I found AbT guilty. What I meant is that I posted cop power, but 1 shot. What was so urgent that you couldn't wait for AbT to post at least? IF he didnt post in another couple of hours I would have revealed all that I know. I just asked for a bit of time. I hoped the cop was smart enough to not counter claim. So either atlis is actual cop or he is scum who knows AbT is miller. And @atlis if you were the cop how did you know Rafay was not jailor? Did you find a guilty investigation on him? If so then MK is totally lying. There's one more reason I felt MK is lying, apart from his contradictory posts. He claimed JOAT, with tracker, cop and bulletproof. If he is not lying, that means two JOATs. I am Ditto, a town Transform-er (Jack-of-All-Trades). I have 1 shot cop, doctor and roleblocker. Heres the summary of each night. N1 - Did nothing. N2 - Investigated AbT, found him guilty. N3 - Used my doctor shot to protect brewers. If scum targeted brewers, I might have stopped the kill. That is why I was saying brewers feels town to me. I didnt go after AbT on D3 because it looked like Rafay was certain scum. I still urged miller to claim and hoped if AbT is town, he will take the hint and claim. I cant understand why he didnt claim right away as he had already put himself in the line of suspicion. I did take some risk by not coming forward as I could have been night killed, but thought my doctor powers were needed at night, so I withheld. This day I tried to get more out of AbT but MK was hogging the limelight. And in addition he claimed JOAT and with his nonsensical stories around how he used his power, I was more or less certain that he is scum or jester. But this time with all the talk about how I am seen as more townish, I decided to come forth with the reveal as I might not survive the night and cant share the info.

I am just waiting for AbT to makes his defense. I will reveal everything then. I have made it clear that I still think MK is the right lynch for today. And I would have revealed this info at the start of the day itself had it not been MK making some absurd posts and putting himself in line for lynch. I planned on revealing in the middle of the day but I mistakenly thought the deadline is much farther than it actually was.

I will answer all your questions before the day winds up. I am waiting for AbT's defense. I am a dead man walking at this point so I wont be leaving you guys hanging. Do watch out for anyone trying to end the day before deadline though. MK is already up for lynch and I believe still the right one for today, but AbT can be the one for tomorrow.

Ok, I have been thinking about how to reveal this information. The whole day was all about MK and rightfully so. I still feel MK is the right lynch for today but we should be also prepared for next lynches. Town should know now what I know if I dont survive the night, but I also know that by revealing this info I am painting a huge target on my back and in likelihood wont survive. AbT was found guilty by me. I should have revealed this a bit earlier in the day but I forgot when was the deadline. Anyways you guys still have next day to discuss this if we cant get more discussions on it today, even if I dont make it past the night.

Yeah, you're just fucking with us, aren't you? No way one can contradict himself so many times . It looks like as if you're enjoying being lynched today. Anyways I think you're definitely jester if you're town or a super saint scum. If you're town you should do a much better job in defending yourself. You can start by full claim, including your character name.

First and foremost, I never had any issues with MK, he can confirm! I will not be able to comment on previous games but this game whatever heat MK is getting is because of his never ending contradictions, and not because of any out of game issues they might have had. Agree 100% with Rhizo. You are a bag full of contradictions and if you're town, then you're giving serious competition to Rafay in how he played this game. Lets assume what you're claiming is correct. So lets go over your actions and what you did during the day. D2 - You tracked Rafay N1 and he visited Kevin (confirmed by Rafay on D3). You were called out for saying you always vote for Rafay which was proven to be not the case always. Rafay randomly claims at the very end of the day that he has something to do with no kills. D3 - You did a cop investigation on Rafay and found him not guilty. So he has to be town, according to your investigation as you tracked Rafay targeting Kevin the night before so he cant be godfather. Rafay is pressurized from the get go and he RC's as jailkeeper, which led brewers to jump on him. He even reveals he targeted Kevin, exactly as your tracker result on him. Yet you still let the lynch continue. You had already used up your most two powerful abilities, so what stopped you RCing right there and stop the lynch of a town. If you have shared the information, we would have not definitely lynched Rafay. Last point you are RCing as JOAT with 1-shot tracker, cop and bulletproof combo. TW did say he took the roles from greater idea list and I cant see your role matching. Well as a mod he can definitely change them as he sees fit but my role matches exactly as listed there. Coupled that with al the contradictions and inconsistencies in your story, its safe to say you're lying. I am not voting now as he already crossed the deadline lynch count. As a reminder to all, pls dont end the day early. I will not be surprised if MK's scum buddies decides to throw him under the bus now and hammer him to end the day early.

Wagon analysis is never useless. Even though Rafay's wagon is the easiest for scum to get on, especially with the self destructible play he displayed here, scum will still dilly dally around so that they have an escape route. I get a feeling you're playing it safe and not going hard enough on anybody. Also with the target you already painted on your back, I am surprised scum has yet to take you out. Dont you think MK is making it too easy to lynch him? It seems s to me he is actually baiting. The possibility of a jester cant be ruled out but it can also be scum trying to distract us.

yeah but with only two town dead so far (wow thats kind of crazy) this doesnt seem like a solid strategy to me. why would the scum be willing to suicide one of their members for just one townie when it would probably kill 25% of the scum team, and put them in a bigger hole? i dont know, it just does not make much sense to me. to me its similar to the same reason why it would have made almost no sense for me to be scum with my call out of rafay True, for scum its a very risky proposition. MK does play a bit scummy probably to fly under the radar of scum but here he is acting all over the place. It sounds like as if he is actually baiting town to lynch him. As for you, I have other reasons to believe you're town but I will come back to that later. As I said I am more interested on those who stayed out of the wagon. I am 100% sure at least 1-2 scum were there on the no voting category.

I agree with the sentiments expressed that MK is intentionally acting scummy to get himself lynched. So there can be two possibilities - either he is a jester or he is scum who can take out a townie with him if he is lynched ( supersaint or something). At this point he is definitely lying about having a useful PR. According to me, he is 70% scum with a PR to kill a townie with his lynch. The other 30% probability he is town, then he is definitely jester. Also Seabee already started poking on the people who were on Rafay's wagon, I am more interested in those who were not part of it. Canik joined in the last moment so he gets a pass from me for now. Jazzy talked about his confusion about Rafay being scum so I give him benefit of doubt. Kitkat already explained his reason for not voting, though he too was convinced Rafay was scum. It can be a convenient excuse to stay out of the wagon and spotlight for a scum who knew that a townie is getting lynched, but at this moment I am inclined to believe his reasons. So that leaves AbT and Yehom, who were the most vocal critic of Rafay the day earlier, didnt believe him one bit about his jailor story on D3, yet didnt bother to place their vote on them. Care to explain why you chose to stay out of the wagon?

Man! Looks like I am having bouts of insomnia. Its well past 4 am and I am unable to sleep Anyways @MK, you voted for him initially and then retracted your vote IIRC. If you were so damn sure that Rafay was town, you wouldn't have placed your vote on him at all. Also Rafay RCed before brewers jumped on him. He was questioned by Seabee first. So the person you should have gone after would have been him, but you chose to continue your focus on brewers.

Seriously I was super pissed when Rafay flipped town. I mean how can you say you're the jailor when you were the bodyguard? I just don't understand. I feel he stabbed us in the back by lying about his role, for no apparent reason at all. You promised to vote brewers if Rafay flipped town, completely discarding the fact that Rafay lied about his role for no reason at all. He even didn't tell us the truth before the hammer vote was cast. And in all of that you somehow seemed to know that he was town and decided to retract your vote in the end. Care to explain. Because as far as I am concerned, brewers seems 100% town.

Huh?!?! You just listed almost entire game as could be scum. Nothing helpful you posted here.

I guess Canik just joined so he is exempted from the 3 post rule. Anyways Vote: Rafay

Yeah you're so convincing! Why did you jail Kevin both nights and yet you never went after him during the day, especially when there was no kill on N1 and you seem to believe you might have stopped the kill?

Rafay is the right lynch for today. Even if he is town, which is so unlikely at this point, his gameplay has been really really poor. He claims he jailed Kevin on N1, believes in D2 he has some hand in stopping the kill but never goes after Kevin. He jumps on Samus at the fag end of the day and instead of jailing him the following night, jails Kevin instead? Its a shame that even after playing so many mafia games, he doesn't seem to care to put in any efforts at all in his stories, whether scum hunting or defending himself. So if that is how he will play, I am prepared to lose a jailer (0.01% odds he is town) as I feel town is better off without him. MK plays a bit weird and scummy, so cant possibly say he is scum or not but definitely someone to keep an eye on. As for the rest I haven't formed any opinions yet on them. Also I think its time where we should start to sort people into confirmed town, possible town and possible scum groups. To start off, as I said earlier, miller (if he exists) should come forward now. I dont see any harm in that. Scum may try to take advantage of this but by doing so he may either get countered by the actual miller or by coming forward he may bring attention on himself, which will be quite a risk at this stage with so much unknowns.

Rafay is done I guess. He has enough votes I think for a deadline lynch. Please dont hammer him and end the day early. KevinH makes a good point about Rafay being a jester. But will a jester win if he is deadline lynched or he has to be hammered? @TW Brewers - MK exchange has been bit interesting so I am keeping an eye on that one. Dont want to comment on that yet. Also its D3, I think if there's a miller in the midst he should come forward now. What you guys think?

Vote: brewseralliance I too have found the mafia. I jailed KevinH Whom did you jail last night?

Damn doctor got killed! Yeah @Rafay you need to come clean now. How did you save someone from getting killed on n1?

I concur with brewers. We need to set the criteria before we roll this out. IMO mistakes shouldn't be punished, this will stop new players from participating. 1 or 2 should be reserved only for those who don't participate in any discussions or just fluff post entirety of the game. Any genuine effort to participate in discussions should get at least a 3 star, with 4 and 5 only reserved for those who initiate or shape discussions and lead the town in scum hunting. But I am still unsure how to rate scum players. Also the rating system should not dissolve into a popularity contest.

Yeah rating system is a good way to force players to play a more proactive part. I just want to know on what basis town will rate scum?

OK Mandy's response makes sense. I got carried away. Unvote

Wait what? Scum is voting for Rafay because they happen to know killing him will take out another townie with him (quite possibly playing on the AbT connection and trying to pass himself off as nympho?). If he is nympho no way in hell mafia would know about that. WTF play from town or a outright lie by scum? Now I am more tempted to vote for him. Fuck it I will do it Vote : Rafay

You’re like the 8th who calls him out...I meant that he does this every game and i vote for him every time, but noone else does.Everyone and their brother knows he does this every game, he's already been called out by many and pressured over it by votes. You vote him everytime? Weird, as I scroll through last game I don't see said vote? Maybe you can point it out This just looks more like a hope for a late push for a lynch by scum. Did i forget to tell you that he is always saved? what do you mean he is always saved? the last two games ive played rafay was killed for being scum.He was only lynched last game because he was caught by FBI agent. The one before he was killed by vig, though I tried to start a wagon on him but it didn't took off. All the time he always manage to survive long enough because he plays the same, scum or not. Also I agree with Rhizo for calling out MK always voting for Rafay. If I remember correctly MK never voted Rafay in the first game I played here and Rafay manage to win it for scum. I think maybe we need to collectively realize that enough is enough. Only reason I am a bit hesitant is that Rafay was scum 3 games in a row, so law of probability says he might be town this time around. But to quote TW - his play style is absolutely toxic to town. OK we need to decide now as only 24 hrs left for the day to end. I still think Samus has been very scummy this game in how spectacularly he dodged the AbT issue, but Rafay has been absolute no help as well, which very much will continue for the rest of the day. I can switch my vote to hammer him but not sure whether it will help us find scum in the wagon.

Rafay has been scum in all the 3 mafia games I have played so far. So I can still get why he plays like that when he is scum. If he is town this game, then he has avoided the whole AbT discussion and now calling out others for the same reasons that he is guilty of too. Seriously this can be overlooked for a new player but not someone who has played lots of mafia games.