I guess I shouldn't be surprised that someone posted while I was composing that massive wall of text, but blah - now I have to do an addendum! I thought I was done writing for a while

 

CD is town? Well, I admit, I was wrong, good thing thing I didn't get my may after all.

 

I was protecting TC for the night, unfortunately scum didn't go for him. In my roleclaim, I deliberately left out the part where it states that I cannot lock myself in the bathroom, but I guess the uncertainty was enough to prevent them from killing me....or maybe it's the fact that they want to paint me even more guilty by the killing, after all I led the charge last day...

 

Anyway, we may have caught a scum, but don't forget, it's still LYLO, don't make your decisions lightly.

 

Im guessing you mean "didnt get your Way" And good thing you didnt or this would be over.

 

Interesting you left out that bit from your roleclaim... at least it means you cannot be a bulletproof (immune to nightkill) in addition to a roleblocker/doctor.

 

I'm honestly not surprised at your saying you protected TC last night; if you survived it's the only thing you really COULD say after CD basically challenged you to do so. Resulting scenarios:

 

1) Ccabal is town, actually DID protect TC and scum targetted CD instead to deny us evidence that would deny ccabal's claim.

2) Ccabal is scum, and scum targetted CD instead to make it LOOK like they're denying us evidence that would deny ccabal's claim.

 

It's the WIFOM problem again; scum SAW that ccabal was (in theory) going to protect TC, so they could just target someone else if ccabal is town. So overall this results in no information; the role is still unproven/unprovable. The only new aspect is that he left out a limit to his role before... which while it further defines the roleclaim doesnt really seem to change much about the role itself.

 

You are correct that this is LYLO; I said as much in my massive post. But you are definitely not off the hook yet; at present you are somewhat more scummy than RoT in my mind.

 

Now that we've heard from ccabal (faster than I expected...), I want to hear from RoT. I'll check in later after I've gotten to enjoy the weekend.

 

-Preston

What questions would you like me to answer for you, Preston? Also another strange night-kill unless CD was the one EM investigated. I was expecting TC.

As was I

What questions would you like me to answer for you, Preston? Also another strange night-kill unless CD was the one EM investigated. I was expecting TC.

As was I

As for the scum knocking off CD instead of TC... to be honest I'm not terribly surprised by the move. I touched on this at the start of my huge post, but I'll restate it/elaborate on it: the reason we keep expecting them to kill TC is that he has been proven town through his ability use, and hence his viewpoints are considered clean and no chance of being scum. At this stage CD (if he were still alive) would have been very nearly as proven town due to figuring out at least two if not all three scum yesterday and giving us EM - you could still spin conspiracy/double game theories, but in general would be CD about the same level as TC in terms of towniness and no votes or accusations against him would really be taken seriously.

 

There's also the fact that when CD challenged ccabal yesterday to prove himself by protecting TC... I remember thinking at that point that neither TC nor ccabal could be the night's target since to kill either would answer the question about whether ccabal was scum or town. That challenge set up the question of "does ccabal die, does TC die" as being how we'd know if ccabal was scum; killing CD instead gave us no information. Now granted this is only my 2nd FULL mafia game, but the logic that stands to me is that it's to the scum's advantage to NOT kill townies being examined as scum - especially this late in the game, they WANT alternate targets to draw townie suspicion. I could be thinking too much into this, but it appears to make sense.

 

To be honest, I was thinking the night's kill would be either CD or myself; CD for the reasons above, or me due to the fact my role was going to give me SOME information. My theory is that since they knew their investigation only gave them a vanilla townie (that they were going to kill anyway), my information wasnt a threat to them - either that or they just decided CD was simply more dangerous.

 

Anyway, back to the question of what I want from everyone - may as well make a formalized list of this to get conversation going:

 

1. I'd like a reaction to what I laid down in my post, particularly the parts where I list the evidence against each of the three scum candidates

2. Who do you think the last two scum are, and reasons behind that - especially if you have other posts/quotes to bring up that I missed

3. What other thoughts do you have as the day begins, etc - don't restrict yourself to my questions.

 

@RoT in particular - How do you respond to the fact we now know scum were aware of SOME vanilla townie existing during night 2, prior to your roleclaim?

My main question for ccabal would have been what he claims he did with his ability last night, but he posted while I was posting and preempted me... so that's already been answered.

 

At this point I think we are trying to find the third scum between ccabal and RoT, unless you somehow think AKCPLUTO is innocent and BOTH of them are scum - but frankly I would have a VERY hard time believing that due to all the evidence currently piled up against AKCPLUTO. Between those two I am slightly leaning towards ccabal, but I want to see how RoT responds to the question about his vanilla roleclaim.

 

We need to have at least SOME discussion today prior to the vote - though with fewer people to consider our discussion may not take quite as long as previous days. The discussion and our voting records from today will be useful to try and find the third scum tomorrow - what people say, "townie points" from who helps vote off the scum today, etc. Following my theory above about scum kills, I believe either TC or myself will die tonight - so this is our last chance to talk prior to the final day's vote when we will be down to THREE people.

 

-Preston

I apologize to my fellow townies insofar as I went on a giant ego trip there and accidentally committed friendly fire. I plead innocent insofar as my role-claim is nevertheless accurate and as ccabal bandwagoned my CD vote. I believe that I am being framed with regard to CD because the scum know that I now look painfully suspicious. They figured that I'd be a sure bet to be lynched in this situation.

 

If I die, you all lose. If so, fin me, fin town, and gg scum.

Interesting analysis. However, they all assume one thing: that we believe you to be townie. Personally, I am not too sure about anyone being townie.

Interesting analysis. However, they all assume one thing: that we believe you to be townie. Personally, I am not too sure about anyone being townie.

It's a fair point that you cant know my (or anyone's) towniness for certain; the only one that's 100% proven town is yourself TC. It's also true that anyone's analysis will include their claiming/assuming their own towniness - there's not really a way to avoid that, especially in a LYLO situation where allowing yourself to be lynched would lose us the game.

 

I have given everyone the details of my role and paraphrased my role PM during my roleclaim yesterday, and then gave the information that my role gave me last night, helped finish EM yesterday, and am trying to help us make sure we dont lynch a townie today through the analysis I've already provided. There's only so much proof I can offer, so at some point you will have to make a judgement call. Yesterday CD thought me town, and then when he died he was proven town which should give his opinion some more weight. You are of course welcome to ask me questions or do your own analysis of my posts, and I'll respond to it.

 

I apologize to my fellow townies insofar as I went on a giant ego trip there and accidentally committed friendly fire. I plead innocent insofar as my role-claim is nevertheless accurate and as ccabal bandwagoned my CD vote. I believe that I am being framed with regard to CD because the scum know that I now look painfully suspicious. They figured that I'd be a sure bet to be lynched in this situation.

 

If I die, you all lose. If so, fin me, fin town, and gg scum.

If you are being framed, then your "friendly fire" has largely contributed to it. How do we tell the difference between accidental friendly fire by a townie and a scum being caught accusing a townie? There's not much anyone can do when theyre the primary suspect other than plead their own innocence - whether you are scum or town you would say the same thing. As I said above to TC, at some point we just have to make a judgement call based on the information we have available to us.

 

At the end of the day we need to lynch a scum. There are very few times in this game that you get solid information - you cannot hold out for absolute proof of guilt or innocence. Absent some external information like mod posts or catching someone in a lie, the rest of the time you have to rank people in terms of who you find MOST suspicious, and end up going with that. So like I asked everyone, out of those left who do you think the scum are and why? Rank us in terms of most likely scum to least likely scum, and see how the lists end up.

 

-Preston

Ok, here's my list:

 

From most likely to be be scum to least likely.

 

1, AKC - Bad roleclaim. As we can see, Even "Vanilla Townie" was given a flavor specific name, a.k.a "Costumer". Same with "Ex-lifeguard". In this light, AKC's role of "Cowardly Lifeguard", taken DIRECTLY from last game doesn't sound too credible.

2/3, RoT/Preston - Not sure what to think about them, I'm really unsure who the 3rd scum could be. Preston however is giving good analysis that can help save us at this point, while RoT seems to be lurking more and more. So if I'd have to decide then I'd give nr. 2 to RoT and nr. 3 to Preston

4, TC - Basically our only confirmed townie.

@RoT in particular - How do you respond to the fact we now know scum were aware of SOME vanilla townie existing during night 2, prior to your roleclaim?

I am a little bit surprised, but I knew with all the townies roles we have seen in this game that the mafia had at least one power role and they would use it at some point. I can see how this may make me seem suspicious, but I seriously am a vanilla townie. I roleclaimed on day 3 since it was LYLO to see how people would respond to my roleclaim so I could clear up some suspicions that I had.

 

As to the mafia, I think at this point it is pretty clear who is the most scummy. Just look at the votes on day 3.

VOTE COUNT

Electric Mango (4): TerrorChrist, CanucksDynasty, reign of terror, Preston

CanucksDynasty (2): AKCPLUTO, ccabal86

 

Not Voting (1): Electric Mango

 

Both AKC and ccabal are voting for the vanilla townie.

 

CD is town? Well, I admit, I was wrong, good thing thing I didn't get my may after all.

 

I was protecting TC for the night, unfortunately scum didn't go for him. In my roleclaim, I deliberately left out the part where it states that I cannot lock myself in the bathroom, but I guess the uncertainty was enough to prevent them from killing me....or maybe it's the fact that they want to paint me even more guilty by the killing, after all I led the charge last day...

 

Anyway, we may have caught a scum, but don't forget, it's still LYLO, don't make your decisions lightly.

I apologize to my fellow townies insofar as I went on a giant ego trip there and accidentally committed friendly fire. I plead innocent insofar as my role-claim is nevertheless accurate and as ccabal bandwagoned my CD vote. I believe that I am being framed with regard to CD because the scum know that I now look painfully suspicious. They figured that I'd be a sure bet to be lynched in this situation.

 

If I die, you all lose. If so, fin me, fin town, and gg scum.

 

Both of them also quickly tried to prove their townieness early on day 4 after their target CD turned out to be a vanilla townie.

 

Strong FOS-AKC because of bad roleclaim, and attacking CD.

 

I also have my doubts about you Preston, but we will see how day 4 goes first.

I know this week is keeping me busy, but it seems like basically everyone has gone quiet. Well, I'll respond to the two posts since my last; ccabal and RoT have answered, which leaves AKCPLUTO needing to give his list of scum thoughts.

 

Both lists so far share a few traits:

1. Obvious scum first (AKC), which isnt surprising since that will keep things even in terms of 'townie points'.

2. Secondary suspicion on each other

2a. ccabal cites RoT "seems to be lurking more and more"

2b. RoT cites ccabal's vote yesterday with AKC, and how both ccabal and AKC started the day with apologies/claims of towniness.

3. Tertiary suspicion on me since I cannot be ruled out, but also to not ignore anyone.

 

ccabal makes a point of listing TC as the 4th "least suspicious" - thorough I guess.

 

RoT FoS'd AKC and added an extra note on his suspecting me third. It's fair that you have doubts; I can't do anything more to PROVE my towniness other than promoting this conversation so that come tomorrow we'll have good information to work with in trying to find the last scum. However at least I'm trying to make more happen than just voting for AKC and then letting the day end quickly with nothing to show for it.

 

I'd like to hear AKCPLUTO's list of guessed scum, as well as TC's thoughts on what people have said. I know there's only five of us left, but lets try to keep SOME talking going!

 

-Preston

My thoughts are still settling down.

I'm thinking cc because he keeps following and duplicating my actions in an attempt to falsely implicate me.

That's a pretty weak motivation...could you be more elaborate?

I am accusing cc in no uncertain terms of being a bandwagoner taking advantage of an inexperienced player who keeps tripping himself up.

I had hoped for a better defense...

 

 

[Vote: AKCPluto

AKC, why would I try to duplicate your actions when you've been acting suspicious for a while now? To incriminate myself? No, I genuinely believed that CD was scum, but I was proven wrong.

 

Anyway, the concensus seems to be to go for AKC and then figure out how to go from there on the next day. I'm going to do what CD did yesterday: I'm voting with TC, a known townie.

 

Vote:AKCPLUTO

 

VOTE COUNT:

AKCPLUTO (2): TerrorChrist, ccabal86

 

Not Voting (3): AKCPLUTO, Preston, reign of terror

 

With 5 alive, 3 is needed to lynch.

Edited June 6, 201115 yr by molestargazer

And ccabal ends up voting before RoT does; not really surprising I guess, since both of them are trying to prove their towniness at this stage.

 

Since conversation has slowed and we seem to have gotten all the discussion that's going to happen, let's just move forward from here:

 

Vote: AKCPLUTO

 

-Preston

While the lynch should be technically complete at this point, it's not too late for RoT to register his vote as well if he wishes to do so and gets here before mole ends the day.

 

-Preston

Vote-AKCPLUTO

 

I'm going to do what CD did yesterday: I'm voting with TC, a known townie.

 

Vote:AKCPLUTO

 

Please don't put this much pressure on my shoulders... I might collapse!

Well, good game. The Mafia have won.

VOTE COUNT:

AKCPLUTO (4): TerrorChrist, ccabal86, Preston, reign of terror

 

Not Voting (1): AKCPLUTO

 

With 5 alive, 3 is needed to lynch.

 

"A Lifeguard? Seriously? That's a load of rubbish if I've ever heard it..." Preston laughed incredulously as AKCPLUTO took a step back from the group nervously, trying to protest his innocence.

"Look! It's obvious, right? I got a job here!"

"Oh, come on..." Ccabal joined in now, laughing slightly at the now-trembling AKC. "That's a bit coincidental, isn't it? After that lifeguard that survived the last thing, you expect us to believe this?"

"YES! Look, I'm sorry, I made a mistake yesterday!" He pleaded. This wasn't working, so he tried another angle, pointing a finger at CCabal. "Look! He's blatantly just joining the bandwagon!"

A flash of anger could be seen momentarily in Ccabal's eyes, but AKC was saved from being beaten personally - at least for the moment. TerrorChrist now took a step toward. "That's a bit of a weak defence, isn't it?"

 

The debate raged on but there was little AKCPLUTO could do to defend himself. Preston walked towards him angrily, knife from the supermarket in hand, but was beaten to it as reign of terror took a run past him and leapt onto the helpless AKC, who fell backwards. His head hit the tiled floor of the supermarket with a horrible crack. Breathing heavily, reign of terror hauled himself up onto his knees and began to search the dead AKC's pockets. He pulled out a wallet, and began to flick through. TerrorChrist simply stared at the ongoing search nervously. The other two glanced at each other.

 

"Oh, god..." Said reign of terror as he found one of the cards. He tossed it back to ccabal86, who caught it and looked. It identified AKCPLUTO as an ex-employee of the IRONTown Swimming Pool, where he had worked as a lifeguard.

 

AKCPLUTO, Cowardly Ex-Lifeguard, has been lynched.

 

What happened after that was a blur of movement. ccabal86 dropped the dead lifeguard's ID card and got to his knees, reaching into a holster concealed beneath a trouser leg. He whipped out the pistol and took aim at reign of terror, still on his knees. Preston took the knife he had been holding and leapt desperately, arm poised to strike. The shot rang out, ccabal barely blinking as the pistol went off in his hand. Mere moments later, reign of terror twitched and fell backwards, the bullet which had lodged itself in his chest causing a wound which was slowly leaking blood.

 

Letting out a cry of terror, TerrorChrist took a step backwards, barely dodging Preston's flailing blade. He ran a few steps as Preston regained his balance and grabbed the nearest thing to hand - a mesh shopping basket from beneath one of the checkouts. He swung it wildly as Preston charged towards him once more, catching the Mafioso off-guard and hitting him in the face. He dropped the knife with a cry as he stumbled forward, and TerrorChrist turned round, raising the basket to strike again just as the second shot rang out.

 

Suddenly there was silence in the supermarket, save for the clang of the empty basket hitting the floor, and TerrorChrist slowly slumping backwards, life extinguished. Ccabal reached over and extended a hand to help Preston to his feet.

"Cheers Boss."

"No problem..." Godfather Tony laughed as he helped his partner up and, together, they walked towards the exit. "This place is ours now..."

 

reign of terror, Customer, has been killed.

TerrorChrist, First-Aid Ex-Lifeguard, has been killed.

THE MAFIA WIN!

The Mafia were:

- Ccabal86, aka Godfather Tony

- Electric Mango, aka Corrupt Manager

- Preston, aka Mafia Goon

 

Role PMs, Night Choices, and my comments coming up soon.

Also - stay tuned for TMCWPTI #3, modded by reign of terror and created by myself! More info coming soon!

Preston and ccabal you guys played a good game! I wish we could have won, but it was still fun.

wow I missed this game

Bah..

 

Good game though.