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[Fox Fire]

 

"Also, Lys is a FAN poster child."

 

I have no idea what this means...

You should leave IRON and join FAN is what it means. They'll like you.

 

I like Lysistrata, and his epic sig, thank you very much.

[Imran Ehsan]

Just came across this on the web and thought this is applicable to some people on this thread as well.

One Tweet from J.K. Rowling Perfectly Shuts Down Rupert Murdoch's Anti-Muslim Rhetoric

[Shahenshah]

When an owner of most of the Mainstream media is a xenophobe, you know where all the bias and ignorance is emanating from. While some of the key posts in BBC are filled with self-admitted zionists. The outcome of all that selective freedom of speech and media is visible right here in this thread.

 

We all await, day to day, wall to wall coverage of Peshawar School attacks, ethnic cleansing of muslims in CAR and Burma etc, the terror attacks in Nigeria by Boko Haram and the terror attack in Yemen by AQ. While human suffering cannot be measured, all those incidents / on going incidents involved alot more human casualties, they atleast deserve the same level of coverage if 'balanced' reporting is being claimed and assumed by some.

 

The bottom line, and has always been different standards for self, different standards for others, atleast Lys kind of admited to the notion of might-is-right, damned be the all I'm-more-moral-than-you-facade. Personally I have no problem with that, might-is-right has always been the bottom line between state and non-state political factions from the very start. It's just amusing and hypocritical when someone tries to spin a web of morality around it.

Edited by Shahenshah, 13 January 2015 - 10:27 AM.

[Lysistrata]

 

Just came across this on the web and thought this is applicable to some people on this thread as well.

One Tweet from J.K. Rowling Perfectly Shuts Down Rupert Murdoch's Anti-Muslim Rhetoric

 

I'm not an authority on religion. Like I said earlier, I grew up in Christian schools, not because I came from a religious family, but because they were private schools and I don't remember any private schools when I was a kid as being non-denominational. I went to military school, and one thing I know for sure is I went to one that was 50 miles away rather than the Catholic one that was 15 miles away. So my mother was absolutely against me going to a Catholic school.

 

Islam is either Sunni or Shiite, from my understanding. I don't know the difference and I really don't care, but I believe it's much like the difference between Catholic and Christian. Rowling in her little tweet says she's a Christian and would auto-excommunicate Rupert Murdoch. Excommunication is a Catholic thing... not a Christian thing. So I think she's just trying to be clever.

 

What worries me the most about your post is that it's more based on emotion and a desire the throw shit. Posting a tweet from a billionaire author of fantasy novels, and comparing her view of world affairs over a billionaire who has lived his entire life reporting on world affairs, is nieve at best. It's right up there with posting a tweet from Kim Kardashian about Charles Krauthammer and fawning over her astonishing intelligence.

[TheWanderer]

I believe Catholicism is a denomination of Christianity, like Protestant, Lutheran, Anglican etc.

 

Though like you, I'm not an authority or proponent of religion myself.

[Shahenshah]

 

 

Just came across this on the web and thought this is applicable to some people on this thread as well.

One Tweet from J.K. Rowling Perfectly Shuts Down Rupert Murdoch's Anti-Muslim Rhetoric

 

I'm not an authority on religion. Like I said earlier, I grew up in Christian schools, not because I came from a religious family, but because they were private schools and I don't remember any private schools when I was a kid as being non-denominational. I went to military school, and one thing I know for sure is I went to one that was 50 miles away rather than the Catholic one that was 15 miles away. So my mother was absolutely against me going to a Catholic school.

 

Islam is either Sunni or Shiite, from my understanding. I don't know the difference and I really don't care, but I believe it's much like the difference between Catholic and Christian. Rowling in her little tweet says she's a Christian and would auto-excommunicate Rupert Murdoch. Excommunication is a Catholic thing... not a Christian thing. So I think she's just trying to be clever.

 

What worries me the most about your post is that it's more based on emotion and a desire the throw shit. Posting a tweet from a billionaire author of fantasy novels, and comparing her view of world affairs over a billionaire who has lived his entire life reporting on world affairs, is nieve at best. It's right up there with posting a tweet from Kim Kardashian about Charles Krauthammer and fawning over her astonishing intelligence.

 

Are you saying Chatholics and Christians are two different religions?

 

News 'reporting' does not makes one unbiased or gives them authority on mass generalistions, especially having a history of bigotry. You seem to have missed the pun completely. If Bush can be a President and Sarah Palin can run for VP, surely JK Rowling can share an insight.

Edited by Shahenshah, 13 January 2015 - 02:35 PM.

[Lysistrata]

Catholics buy into that whole excommunication thing... Christians do not. My British cousins know a lot about this stuff since their excommunication and the formation of the Church of England. King Henry VIII gave the Pope the finger and the world changed forever.

[Imran Ehsan]

If Bush can be a President and Sarah Palin can run for VP, surely JK Rowling can share an insight.

 

I lol'ed. I didnt mind Bush that much though..but then if I were American I would probably vote Republican.

[Lysistrata]

George W. Bush was Governor of Texas. Sarah Palin was Governor of Alaska. Qualified to be President? Yes...

J.K. Rowling is the author of Harry Potter. Lucky she found suckers to buy the books, and Hollywood ate it up. Opportunist? Yes...

Rupert Murdoch owner of Newscorp... Knows more about the world than J.K. Rowling? Yes...

[onbekende]

basically speaking about "catholic" is someone following Rome, around here we call them fully "roman catholic". christianity is just the whole package of anything believing Christ.

 

Christianity <=> Islam

Catholic/Protestant <=> Sunni/Shiite (don't quote me on it but I think the pairing is right aswell, but its a different kind of division then in christianity so it isn't really true either )

[Khandov]

If you ask me, who says something, should be a secondary matter. What actually is being said ought be a primary matter.
 

[Khandov]

basically speaking about "catholic" is someone following Rome, around here we call them fully "roman catholic". christianity is just the whole package of anything believing Christ.

 

Christianity <=> Islam

Catholic/Protestant <=> Sunni/Shiite (don't quote me on it but I think the pairing is right aswell, but its a different kind of division then in christianity so it isn't really true either )

It seems onbekende gets it.

[Fox Fire]

Catholics buy into that whole excommunication thing... Christians do not. My British cousins know a lot about this stuff since their excommunication and the formation of the Church of England. King Henry VIII gave the Pope the finger and the world changed forever.

Catholicism IS Christianity. This is according to the Council of Nicea which is pretty much the universally mainstream agreement on what Christianity is. I personally consider any sect that believes Jesus was the son of God, to be Christian. Thus, that includes LDS and the other various cults.

Not to mention that numerous types of Christianity practice excommunication including Orthodox Christianity which I believe is the oldest form of organized Christianity that still exists (hence the name).

[Shahenshah]

basically speaking about "catholic" is someone following Rome, around here we call them fully "roman catholic". christianity is just the whole package of anything believing Christ.

Christianity <=> Islam
Catholic/Protestant <=> Sunni/Shiite (don't quote me on it but I think the pairing is right aswell, but its a different kind of division then in christianity so it isn't really true either )

I know, I just wanted to see how Lys differentiates Catholics from Christians .


Also, probably one of the most honest articles out there on the topic.

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/6462584

Should read it thrice.

Edited by Shahenshah, 13 January 2015 - 08:31 PM.

[onbekende]

in this world, the loudest mouths are always the dumbest ones. the unspoken majority simply doesn't care unless it "touches" them, and then they suddenly become the loudest few.

[Theophilos]

basically speaking about "catholic" is someone following Rome, around here we call them fully "roman catholic". christianity is just the whole package of anything believing Christ.

 

Christianity <=> Islam

Catholic/Protestant <=> Sunni/Shiite (don't quote me on it but I think the pairing is right aswell, but its a different kind of division then in christianity so it isn't really true either )

 

Nope. Catholicism is universal and all encompassing. Also see Fox Fire's reply

 

George W. Bush was Governor of Texas. Sarah Palin was Governor of Alaska. Qualified to be President? Yes...

J.K. Rowling is the author of Harry Potter. Lucky she found suckers to buy the books, and Hollywood ate it up. Opportunist? Yes...

Rupert Murdoch owner of Newscorp... Knows more about the world than J.K. Rowling? Yes...

 

Not even close. The fact that someone was a Governor of Alaska (or any other place for that matter) does not "qualify" such person to be President, that is to say they are by that fact alone no better suited to be President than someone that has not been a Governor.

 

Ditto on JKR and RM, by virtue of owning Newscorp (I gather that was your point) he doesn't in fact know more about "the world".

 

 

Catholics buy into that whole excommunication thing... Christians do not. My British cousins know a lot about this stuff since their excommunication and the formation of the Church of England. King Henry VIII gave the Pope the finger and the world changed forever.

Catholicism IS Christianity. This is according to the Council of Nicea which is pretty much the universally mainstream agreement on what Christianity is. I personally consider any sect that believes Jesus was the son of God, to be Christian. Thus, that includes LDS and the other various cults.

Not to mention that numerous types of Christianity practice excommunication including Orthodox Christianity which I believe is the oldest form of organized Christianity that still exists (hence the name).

 

 

As does Islam (albeit with a variation) and Judaism, etc etc

[onbekende]

 

basically speaking about "catholic" is someone following Rome, around here we call them fully "roman catholic". christianity is just the whole package of anything believing Christ.

 

Christianity <=> Islam

Catholic/Protestant <=> Sunni/Shiite (don't quote me on it but I think the pairing is right aswell, but its a different kind of division then in christianity so it isn't really true either )

 

Nope. Catholicism is universal and all encompassing. Also see Fox Fire's reply

 

 

well thats up to the interpretation of what you find to represent those words. To me Christianity is the all encompassing term BUT also the term to signify a more "active" participation in the religion.

 

While when someone states they are "catholic", to me that is more about the morals but less about the tales surrounding them. offcourse this is just cause mine (and your ) side of the woods (western europe) has such a decline in active religious followers that the term itself is adjusted to our own will. Heck most if not all of the "off-shoots" a religion has is cause 2 people couldn't agree on something said by someone standing before them, funny this isn't limited to religion alone .

[Theophilos]

 

 

basically speaking about "catholic" is someone following Rome, around here we call them fully "roman catholic". christianity is just the whole package of anything believing Christ.

 

Christianity <=> Islam

Catholic/Protestant <=> Sunni/Shiite (don't quote me on it but I think the pairing is right aswell, but its a different kind of division then in christianity so it isn't really true either )

 

Nope. Catholicism is universal and all encompassing. Also see Fox Fire's reply

 

 

well thats up to the interpretation of what you find to represent those words. To me Christianity is the all encompassing term BUT also the term to signify a more "active" participation in the religion.

 

While when someone states they are "catholic", to me that is more about the morals but less about the tales surrounding them. offcourse this is just cause mine (and your ) side of the woods (western europe) has such a decline in active religious followers that the term itself is adjusted to our own will. Heck most if not all of the "off-shoots" a religion has is cause 2 people couldn't agree on something said by someone standing before them, funny this isn't limited to religion alone .

 

 

Not quite, it is what the word actually means (katholikos = universal). Therefore Catholic Church = Christendom

 

As Fire Fox suggested, as per the Nicene Creed, "Et unam, sanctam, catholicam et apostolicam Ecclesiam".

[onbekende]

 

 

 

basically speaking about "catholic" is someone following Rome, around here we call them fully "roman catholic". christianity is just the whole package of anything believing Christ.

 

Christianity <=> Islam

Catholic/Protestant <=> Sunni/Shiite (don't quote me on it but I think the pairing is right aswell, but its a different kind of division then in christianity so it isn't really true either )

 

Nope. Catholicism is universal and all encompassing. Also see Fox Fire's reply

 

 

well thats up to the interpretation of what you find to represent those words. To me Christianity is the all encompassing term BUT also the term to signify a more "active" participation in the religion.

 

While when someone states they are "catholic", to me that is more about the morals but less about the tales surrounding them. offcourse this is just cause mine (and your ) side of the woods (western europe) has such a decline in active religious followers that the term itself is adjusted to our own will. Heck most if not all of the "off-shoots" a religion has is cause 2 people couldn't agree on something said by someone standing before them, funny this isn't limited to religion alone .

 

 

Not quite, it is what the word actually means (katholikos = universal). Therefore Catholic Church = Christendom

 

As Fire Fox suggested, as per the Nicene Creed, "Et unam, sanctam, catholicam et apostolicam Ecclesiam".

 

dictionary's don't change at all for you hé?

 

I meant that the meaning of words can get astrange from their origin, why you think etymology is a thing?

[Lysistrata]

I'm sorry I had to go bowling so I have not been here to respond. I said I was not an authority on religion, I'm agnostic and I don't care. As I understand excommunication, it's a Catholic thing and many Christians don't give a fig what the Pope has to say about anything.

 

I guess I should have said that it is my opinion that anyone who was, or is, a Governor of a state is qualified to be President. Being a Governor of a state is very similar to President. That is why Governors always are the best Presidents. I'll put it in a way even Democrats can understand... Bill Clinton was a far better President on his worst day than Barack Obama has been on his best. Not saying a Governor cannot be so bad at the job that it would make people run the other direction... but I am saying George W. Bush was well qualified for his two terms and Sarah Palin was well qualified to be John McCain's VP. John McCain didn't win and if he was ever a Governor it would have helped him.

 

Anyone who thinks J.K. Rowlin knows more about the world than Rupert Murdock is stoned. I'm done talking about religion.