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[Shahenshah]

It was for r2v

[Road2Victory]

On what basis you throw my name around r2v? If you're accusing me of something, dont just pop my name ok? Give a reason for you naming me. Randomly throwing names around is classic anti-town, it muddles the waters and people tend to loose focus. That's a small flag their. 

 

My Scummie list:

 

- Rafey - Lurking, not contributing, not helping build a case, all of these are anti-town activities and so what you're doing is anti-town.

- Perez - Lurking, not contributing, not helping build a case, all of these are anti-town activities and so what you're doing is anti-town.

- EM - To be honest you have flown bit under my radar, and I'm not sure if you're truly lurking or inactive at this moment. Eitherway, you're not contributing or help build a case and so what you're doing is anti-town.

- Yehom - You were active before, but now you're not even trying to defend yourself or counter Robert's arguments forecefully, it seems you have accepted your fate, problem with that is either you're a scum and trying to ride it out hoping for the focus elsewhere or you're a bad townie like Rusken, you're not contributing anything. You might be a good guy Yehom, but good guys make up the best Scummies. 

 

My Townie list:

- Myself

-Robert: Townie, I just feel you've got bit of a narrow focus going on, tho I mostly agree to some of your view points, but early vote and narrow focus isnt good for process of elimination. 

-Imran: Townie

-Mand:You're townie but your narrow focus is not good for town, reason being, you've already locked youre vote down few days in advance despite new information emerging on daily basis. I do not believe that is constructive to the process of elimination. 

- Lyner: Townie

- Finster: Townie, initially i thought otherwise, but I believe your role claim.

- tW: You're borderline townie at the moment, honestly. For now, Im believing your counter-arguments, but you're on thin ice. 

- iSoc: I havent been able to map you out in my head just yet. 

- R2v: I havent been able to map you out in my head just yet. 

Seems like you edited your post? 

The last time I saw your post was about Isoc and now is switching back to me. 

 

I feel like the vote on Rusken was a bit desperate for him to die, I think thats how the ball got rolling and everybody just thought of him as a pure scum. 

Well believe me I role claimed and you did not. What's your stance on that? 

There are townies who would say they are town in order to protect others from dying. 

[Shahenshah]

Yes, it was meant for you and not iSoc. I had two different tabs opened as i was reading backwards and I mixed it up. 

[Shahenshah]

Role claiming is akin to putting your cards on the table. It worked out very bad for us already, as we saw with Samus. The more the role claiming is there, the more the mafia knows who they can zero in on and who are the biggest threats. Currently I do not believe that everyone should be role claiming. I do not see how it helps town by helping mafia draw up their kill lists. 

And im also not the only one on the list of voters who hasnt role claimed, yet that is your reason for pointing me out. 

[iSocialism]

Agreed, role claiming should only be down to protect yourself from being lynched, or to proclaim you have found scum. What does help is people talking and forming list of those they see as town and scum. The one avoiding this, are the ones to look out for. It's easy to call one person out and then go back and look for key points to call them a scum. Everyone has scummy behavior, it's something that can also help the town survive. I would like to hear more from Perez, with that he tends to answer very briefly, maybe a little more pressure should help.

 

Vote Perez

[Robert2424]

I'm prosuing my only lead, however small. But if we find a better lead, I'm open to hearing it. 

[Finster Baby]

Rusken (8): Samus, Imran Ehsan, Mandarijn, Shahenshah, Electric Mango, Finster Baby, Perez, Robert2424,

 
There at least has to be someone who is mafia in this category at the very least. I can take Samus out because hes already.
 
Possible scums for me maybe
Shah
EM
Perez
 
Three iffy ones that I think town but could not be who are Imran, TW,  Mandarjn, and Rafay.
 
I believe Robert and Isocialism are town for me. 
 
FB- I don't know if he even keeps up with this so probably a lurker?

Did you even read? I posted my role yesterday. I'm keeping up, so why are you accusing me of lurking? Pretty scummy.

[Mandarijn]

I'm aware I'm focussing a lot on TW (it's no problem that I locked my vote already as I can switch any time), but now I'm 100% sure he is:

 

 

 

So why do you think Rafay is scum and the others (like Perez and EM) are only possible scum?

 

It's interesting to see a detailed list from someone who I think is scum. I know you're smart, so you've divided your scum buddies nicely.

I am suspicious of all three of these people but Rafay is the most suspicious to me out of this group. His posting habits stick out to me. It seems like he is happily skating by unnoticed.

 

 

It seems everyone (of town at least) has a role, so this:

 

I'll claim even follower. I followed TW. He performed no actions last night.

 

confirms my suspicion of TW even more as we already have 2 odd roles in town, so if he was town he would have a role (even or normal) and would have indeed performed an action... Only 1 member of the Mafia will perform the kill, so the others would be sitting doing nothing.

 

So I'm just going to go for it:

Vote TW

What's your explanation of this TW?

So your first assumption is that because someone didn't perform an action last night that they are scum? There are several reasons why someone might not have performed a night action. We have two known examples already in this game in Robert and R2V. 

Yes, and I think it's a pretty safe one to make when you see all the info we have...

So when you're doubting that, this tells me you don't have an ability and you're 100% scum.

 

But fine, if everyone else thinks we should put pressure on Rafay, Perez and EM, because they are inactive/lurking. I'll go with that... BUT really, look at everything we have against TW, it's not hard evidence, but c'mon.

[Finster Baby]

I see what you're saying here Mand, but we have to be REALLY careful on who we lynch. We got saved by a no lynch on day 1, but now we're down 3 townies without hitting a scum yet.

We'd be better off with a no lynch than to kill off one of our own again.

[KevinH]

Q: What do you call a female Mandalorian?
A: A Womandalorian.



Vote Count

Yehom (1): Robert2424,
The Warrior (1): Mandarijn,
Perez (1): iSocialism,
Robert2424 (0):
Imran Ehsan (0):
Road2Victory (0):
Electric Mango (0):
Shahenshah (0): 
Lyner (0):
Rafay (0):
iSocialism (0):
Mandarijn (0):
Finster Baby (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: The Warrior, Lyner, Rafay, Road2Victory, Imran Ehsan, Shahenshah, Electric Mango, Finster Baby, Perez, Yehom,

 
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch or 4 at deadline.
Deadline is Tuesday, February 23, at noon EST.
 

[iSocialism]

TW is active though, with added pressure, if he's scum, he will leak out info. It's the ones who don't talk, and have the playing it cool vibe to them. Are the ones I don't like having around.

[Finster Baby]

As I stated earlier.....I'm really at a loss right now of where to vote. I'm less convinced TW is scum, tho not 100%. EM, Perez and Rafay are high on my list.

[Mandarijn]

Yeah, if we're not going for TW. We should go for Yehom, Perez, Rafay and EM.

[Shahenshah]

Yeah, if we're not going for TW. We should go for Yehom, Perez, Rafay and EM.

[Rafay]

Rafey - Lurking, not contributing, not helping build a case, all of these are anti-town activities and so what you're doing is anti-town.

 

So let me get this right. 2 townies were lynched and I voted for none of them. And now that is considered anti-town? Interesting move Shah Scum!!!

[Shahenshah]

 

Rafey - Lurking, not contributing, not helping build a case, all of these are anti-town activities and so what you're doing is anti-town.

 

So let me get this right. 2 townies were lynched and I voted for none of them. And now that is considered anti-town? Interesting move Shah Scum!!!

 

 

That's not a solid argument at all for several reasons.

1. Mand already responded to this partially, What Rusken did was a super noob mistake, otherwise at the time, the information we all had, he walked like a duck, he talked like a duck, so he was called out as a duck. Perhaps you didnt need to vote because, unfortunately, we were all carrying out the deed for you and your scummie freinds. So, the crux of Mand's point was not voting for Rusken could be equally scummie (Mand, pls correct me if I am wrong, I dont wish to put words in anyone's mouth even by error and get called out).

2. Scum would divide their votes unless they would be running short of the votes. Division of votes allows for plausible deniability and muddles things up, that's an obvious behavior, you citing it might actually work against you.

3. You're claiming credit 'after the fact', I do not recall you fighting it out really for what you believed in. It's all pretty convenient now isnt it, that's another reason to divide votes. So you all have that story built up. I've been calling you out since my v. first post Rafey, but I havent voted for you. I want you to contribute. Like iSoc said, the more the pressure that's built up on lurkers, more they talk, more everyone talks, more the stories dont allign, that's how the process of elimination works. I'm agreeing with iSoc on this point. Now I do believe at this point his viewpoints are pro-town then anti-town. How you hold up to scrutiny of non-participation is up to you and in my view you arent doing a good job. Claiming credit after the fact holds no value in my opinion. 

[iSocialism]

 

Rafey - Lurking, not contributing, not helping build a case, all of these are anti-town activities and so what you're doing is anti-town.

 

So let me get this right. 2 townies were lynched and I voted for none of them. And now that is considered anti-town? Interesting move Shah Scum!!!

 

Alright you didn't vote for the last lynch votes. Then along with Shah who do you think scum are? who do you think is town? What about roles? What evidence do you have about Shah being scum? I see that you made a post about how you didn't vote for two people who were already going to be lynched, but I see no townie points coming your way. You have to earn them by talking, giving us input, and letting us see what you think.

[Mandarijn]

@Rafay: Pointing out that you didn't vote to lynch 2 townies just proves you're A: not involved and didn't know what's going on (= scum or a bad townie) or B: you knew more than us and you know exactly who the townies are (= scum).

 

So let's hear what you have to say then. Who do you think is town and who do you think is scum and give us some of your reasonings and arguments.

 

The same goes for Yehom, EM and Perez... We need to know what you guys think! (and Lyner as well, but he's town )

[Robert2424]

I honestly don't think yehom going to add anything. But could be wrong.
Perez might but he's not super active.
Em is way too quiet.

[Road2Victory]

Yes EM, Perez, Yehom are really quiet. They should express their opinions on who's scum and who's town. They don't seem to give in about it. 

 

I remember EM calling me out before switching his vote on to Rusken.