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[Shahenshah]

Here's my thoughts on potential scum and townies.

 

Yehom: Very likely scum. Was voting for Robert early on the game before switching votes to put the hammer vote on FF on D1. Started lurking on D2 -> only started posting after it was pointed out he was visiting the thread but not posting. Follows up with another spat with Robert and ended the day voting for him. Claims he has no odd/even action and did not send any actions as well. Has not claimed to be a vanilla townie as well. Not sure what his stance was on the Rusken wagon. He may have been ignoring it while focusing on defending himself from Robert's accusations. Might have known Rusken is a townie and did not want to stay on another townie lynch.

The Warrior: Potential scum. Voted for Robert on D1 and then switched to the FF wagon on D1. Did not vote for anyone of D2. Was accused by Samus the cop on D2 supported by Mandarijn. Claims to have been undecided between Robert and Rusken. Was followed by Finster on N2 which confirms he did not perform the Samus kill (assuming FB is town) but however has indicated he may have a power role.

Perez: Potential scum. Has lurked for most of the game and posted very little until very recently when pushed by others. Started off voting for iSocialism and then continued lurking for the rest of the day. Put the hammer vote on the Rusken lynch. Claims to have a power role but has revealed no results as of yet. Potential scum tactic to not be lynched while lurking by way of claiming to have a power role for townies.

Robert2424: Likely town. Voted for several ppl on D1 including iSocialism while claiming he wants No Lynch. Claimed to be a odd tracker who targeted Yehom on N1 and saw no movement from Yehom. Spent D2 accusing Yehom of being scum and ended the day voting for him. Although a bit suspicious to me during the early stages of the game, I am leaning towards him being town. If yehom is scum then Robert is definitely town.

Imran Ehsan: Confirmed Town. Although has been guilty of being involved in 2 townie lynches, point to note here is wagon built on his vote and not the other way around. Potential scums jumped or people being voted by him to potentially paint an innocent townie as being scum. Also was roleblocked on N2, which shows scum team are wary of his analysis and wants to make sure he has as little info as possible to use his superior analysis skillz.

Road2Victory: Neutral. Spent day 1 with spamming and random votes before settling on an iSocialism vote on D1. Did not vote for anyone on D2 while saying he suspect Rusken is scum. Also has been very fast on trying to paint others as potential scum building on suspicions of other townies. Has been careful to stay off townie lynch wagons, possibly indicating he may have known they will turn up town. However, has claimed to be an odd Watcher who watched Robert on D1. Was targeted by Rusken on N1 and saw no activity on him. While an odd Watcher makes sense in terms of the game setup his gameplay has been scummy, and I am still unsure of whether he may not be a Scum Watcher.

Electric Mango: Potential Scum. Has been unusually quite. Spent day 1 with random vote on Samus before switching to a Finster vote at end of D1. On D2 was quick to jump on the Rusken wagon. Has claimed no role or even indicated anything regarding roles. Too quite and too careful. 

Shahenshah: Likely Town. Joined on D2 and was on the lynch wagon for Rusken. However, has been active and has done some very good analysis and bringing up more discussion topics instead of lurking. Havent found anything negative on him yet.

Lyner: Confirmed town. Confirmed be cop as towny. However has been inactive/lurking. Voted for iSocialism on D1 and been pretty inactive on D2. Potential of being a scum Godfather but I do not think so.

Rafay: Very likely scum. Has been lurking all throughout the game and when he has been posting seemed like he hasnt read through the thread and was just skimming. Voted for TW on D1 and stayed off the lynch wagon on D2. Seems to be careful of not being on any townie lynch wagon while lurking.

iSocialism: Potential Scum. Voted for CS on D1 before ending the day with a vote on Rusken. Voted for me on D2 while saying he thinks Rusken is scum. Another case of staying carefully off lynch wagons while agreeing that the current player likely to get should be lynched. Spent D2 with a spat with Yehom. Has not claimed any role or indicated whether he has any or not but has been shortlisting other ppl as potential scum as they have not claimed as well. However, has been active and has looked to  scum hunt diligently. If he is scum, he is playing it well. If Yehom turns scum, he is conformed town.

Mandarijn: Neutral. Is convinced TW is scum and has been pushing for his lynch on D1. Was the only person to not have voted for anyone on D1 but was on the Rusken lynch wagon on D2. Was initially lurking on D1 but has been active since then. Has claimed no roles but is convinced all townies have power roles. Potentially might be fishing to find out what other power roles townies have while not revealing any power of his own. However, has been doing good analysis and if he is scum is playing it well. Although I dont think a scum will be pushing for the lynch of one person in particular (TW) unless he has some night info on him that others dont have. Neutral about him for the moment.

Finster Baby: Potential Scum. Came as a replacement for CS on D1 and was on the FF lynch wagon on D1. Was on the TW wagon on D2 before jumping on the Rusken wagon. Always posts a vote and says his mind is open to change, and he has indeed shifted his votes around to apparently where the votes are flowing. Scum like behavior but has claimed to be an even Follower. Claims to have targeted TW on N2 and seen him not go anywhere. if TW is scum, chances are Finster is also scum and the Follower claim comes from him trying to lower suspicion on TW.

 

 

So thats my thoughts currently. I am confident I have the scum on my Very Likely and Most Likely scum categories, with Potential Scum and Neutrals being of less chance of being scum. I will see how this day progresses before updating my judgements.

 

Disclaimer: I skimmed through the last 40 pages to do the above analysis, so I may have missed some info.

 

Here's my thoughts on potential scum and townies.

 

Yehom: Very likely scum. Was voting for Robert early on the game before switching votes to put the hammer vote on FF on D1. Started lurking on D2 -> only started posting after it was pointed out he was visiting the thread but not posting. Follows up with another spat with Robert and ended the day voting for him. Claims he has no odd/even action and did not send any actions as well. Has not claimed to be a vanilla townie as well. Not sure what his stance was on the Rusken wagon. He may have been ignoring it while focusing on defending himself from Robert's accusations. Might have known Rusken is a townie and did not want to stay on another townie lynch.

The Warrior: Potential scum. Voted for Robert on D1 and then switched to the FF wagon on D1. Did not vote for anyone of D2. Was accused by Samus the cop on D2 supported by Mandarijn. Claims to have been undecided between Robert and Rusken. Was followed by Finster on N2 which confirms he did not perform the Samus kill (assuming FB is town) but however has indicated he may have a power role.

Perez: Potential scum. Has lurked for most of the game and posted very little until very recently when pushed by others. Started off voting for iSocialism and then continued lurking for the rest of the day. Put the hammer vote on the Rusken lynch. Claims to have a power role but has revealed no results as of yet. Potential scum tactic to not be lynched while lurking by way of claiming to have a power role for townies.

Robert2424: Likely town. Voted for several ppl on D1 including iSocialism while claiming he wants No Lynch. Claimed to be a odd tracker who targeted Yehom on N1 and saw no movement from Yehom. Spent D2 accusing Yehom of being scum and ended the day voting for him. Although a bit suspicious to me during the early stages of the game, I am leaning towards him being town. If yehom is scum then Robert is definitely town.

Imran Ehsan: Confirmed Town. Although has been guilty of being involved in 2 townie lynches, point to note here is wagon built on his vote and not the other way around. Potential scums jumped or people being voted by him to potentially paint an innocent townie as being scum. Also was roleblocked on N2, which shows scum team are wary of his analysis and wants to make sure he has as little info as possible to use his superior analysis skillz.

Road2Victory: Neutral. Spent day 1 with spamming and random votes before settling on an iSocialism vote on D1. Did not vote for anyone on D2 while saying he suspect Rusken is scum. Also has been very fast on trying to paint others as potential scum building on suspicions of other townies. Has been careful to stay off townie lynch wagons, possibly indicating he may have known they will turn up town. However, has claimed to be an odd Watcher who watched Robert on D1. Was targeted by Rusken on N1 and saw no activity on him. While an odd Watcher makes sense in terms of the game setup his gameplay has been scummy, and I am still unsure of whether he may not be a Scum Watcher.

Electric Mango: Potential Scum. Has been unusually quite. Spent day 1 with random vote on Samus before switching to a Finster vote at end of D1. On D2 was quick to jump on the Rusken wagon. Has claimed no role or even indicated anything regarding roles. Too quite and too careful. 

Shahenshah: Likely Town. Joined on D2 and was on the lynch wagon for Rusken. However, has been active and has done some very good analysis and bringing up more discussion topics instead of lurking. Havent found anything negative on him yet.

Lyner: Confirmed town. Confirmed be cop as towny. However has been inactive/lurking. Voted for iSocialism on D1 and been pretty inactive on D2. Potential of being a scum Godfather but I do not think so.

Rafay: Very likely scum. Has been lurking all throughout the game and when he has been posting seemed like he hasnt read through the thread and was just skimming. Voted for TW on D1 and stayed off the lynch wagon on D2. Seems to be careful of not being on any townie lynch wagon while lurking.

iSocialism: Potential Scum. Voted for CS on D1 before ending the day with a vote on Rusken. Voted for me on D2 while saying he thinks Rusken is scum. Another case of staying carefully off lynch wagons while agreeing that the current player likely to get should be lynched. Spent D2 with a spat with Yehom. Has not claimed any role or indicated whether he has any or not but has been shortlisting other ppl as potential scum as they have not claimed as well. However, has been active and has looked to  scum hunt diligently. If he is scum, he is playing it well. If Yehom turns scum, he is conformed town.

Mandarijn: Neutral. Is convinced TW is scum and has been pushing for his lynch on D1. Was the only person to not have voted for anyone on D1 but was on the Rusken lynch wagon on D2. Was initially lurking on D1 but has been active since then. Has claimed no roles but is convinced all townies have power roles. Potentially might be fishing to find out what other power roles townies have while not revealing any power of his own. However, has been doing good analysis and if he is scum is playing it well. Although I dont think a scum will be pushing for the lynch of one person in particular (TW) unless he has some night info on him that others dont have. Neutral about him for the moment.

Finster Baby: Potential Scum. Came as a replacement for CS on D1 and was on the FF lynch wagon on D1. Was on the TW wagon on D2 before jumping on the Rusken wagon. Always posts a vote and says his mind is open to change, and he has indeed shifted his votes around to apparently where the votes are flowing. Scum like behavior but has claimed to be an even Follower. Claims to have targeted TW on N2 and seen him not go anywhere. if TW is scum, chances are Finster is also scum and the Follower claim comes from him trying to lower suspicion on TW.

 

 

So thats my thoughts currently. I am confident I have the scum on my Very Likely and Most Likely scum categories, with Potential Scum and Neutrals being of less chance of being scum. I will see how this day progresses before updating my judgements.

 

Disclaimer: I skimmed through the last 40 pages to do the above analysis, so I may have missed some info.

 

IMO iSoc doesnt feel scummy to me yet.

[Shahenshah]

and also Mand for me is a townie. 

[Robert2424]

Irman. You just made me look lazy with that post. :/
Irman. You just made me look lazy with that post. :/

[Mandarijn]

I'm curious to see what Yehom has to say now...

 

And you're all just ignoring my evidence for TW. 

 

Pretty sure all mafia can be found in these players:

TW

Rafay

Yehom

Perez

EM

 

If not, then someone is playing a great game.

[Rafay]

If we are to push through this theory then say their are two Mafia teams, v. rough approximations:

 

There can't be 2. We've already deduced that haven't we? 

 

If not, then someone is playing a great game.

 

 

Actually Shahensha has been playing really well too....

[Shahenshah]

You're all most welcome to do whatever roles you have that allow to what you

 

 

If we are to push through this theory then say their are two Mafia teams, v. rough approximations:

 

There can't be 2. We've already deduced that haven't we? 

 

 

 

If not, then someone is playing a great game.

 

 

Actually Shahensha has been playing really well too....

 

Feel free to scrutinize me, I have nothing to hide.  I have stepped up for the town from day 1, you have ducked and stepped aside. 

[Mandarijn]

 

If we are to push through this theory then say their are two Mafia teams, v. rough approximations:

 

There can't be 2. We've already deduced that haven't we? 

 

 

 

If not, then someone is playing a great game.

 

 

Actually Shahensha has been playing really well too....

 

You're just throwing out accusations... Why don't you share your thoughts and assumptions with the rest of us?

[Yehom]

Are you really though Manda? Because you are pretty quick to judge me, but anyway. If you are expecting me to post a wall of text concerning every member in this game, you're mistaken. Simply put I think there is too little information on the table to make any solid conclusions as of now. Maybe you are used to play things a bit more fast paced, but I for one don't want to make rash decisions with the current situation the entirety of the town is in. 

 

That being said I would like to make clear that Lyner, Robert and Imran have been already confirmed in some other way that they are townies. Anybody else I have no clue to what their actual motive is, but I'm starting to see a little group forming in the shape of Isoc and Sha. Is it bandwagoning or is it based on actual information, I don't know, I'm just saying what is standing out to me. (My argument is that Sha is quick defending and trying to clear Isoc's name, while there are some that are having their suspicions, their vote on my has nothing to do with this argument, but does reinforce my suspicions a bit)

 

Since I'm possibly on the chopping block if I don't try to clear my own name, I am going to further prove the fact that everybody has a role and will now make clear that I am a bodyguard. I do not have an odd or even role. I did not use my power on Night 1, because simply put there was nobody to actually defend that I found was viable either in danger or worth me saving (because I feel the town loses 1 member either way and I don't know what I am trying to protect), which meant that Robert couldn't see me do nothing, because I did nothing. I was one of the members that tried to visit Shamus on Night 2, only to miss the fact that he couldn't be saved (never heard of Ascetic before ever in my life). Trying to kill me will make this town lose another member, putting it one step closer to losing, so make your judgements carefully now. 

[Perez]

As I said in my first or second post. We have to differentiate between in-actives and lurkers. Based on D1, I am of the opinion that inactives must not be lynched. Lurkers should be. EM last posted here on 10th, was last scene on forums on 12th and hasnt been here since then, so to me he is mid-way between lurker and inactive and thus, on a very thin red line. In my opinion, if he shows up and lurks, I'll be strongly inclined to vote for him. 

 

 

I strongly believe that Robert is townie and IMO, past all the fluff and bluff, his theory deserves more credence. 

 

Right now, I'm going to have to VOTE: YEHOM

 

Yehom mentioned he hasn't seen Rafey post for a while when he had just posted two hours earlier. I think this may also give credence to theory there could be multiple mafia teams and they're just trying to throw the grenade from one place to another at this point in time. 

 

If we are to push through this theory then say their are two Mafia teams, v. rough approximations:

M1:

Yehom

Perez

-

M2: Rafey

EM

 

Finster and tW probably in opposing teams, cant say who is where tho, will read through and see.

I have re-read most of this day and so far one thing is certain, imo.  All townies has roles!  I will admit I have a roll and mine can be used everyday though cant say what role it is because mafia might get an advantage.  Hopefully, that helps. 

Why would you say that? To get you off suspicion list of multiple people, basically saying nothing, because every role does help the team you're on, regardless of mafia or townie IMO. Or are you trying to get killed at night? I mean, what was the point? It doesnt help townies in any way and if you're townie, you probably shot up in the kill-list of mafia. -.-

 The main reason I did this was because there was not much going on in info, so I decided to throw myself and probably die. Besides, everyone was arguing I didn't  contribute much, so there you go. 

[Imran Ehsan]

and also Mand for me is a townie. 

 

Reasons?

 

Irman. You just made me look lazy with that post. :/
Irman. You just made me look lazy with that post. :/

 

That post was as much for me as for everyone else. I needed to get my thoughts in order and have a reference that I can go back to and analyze later instead of having to go through 40 pages again. So there.

 

 

If we are to push through this theory then say their are two Mafia teams, v. rough approximations:

 

There can't be 2. We've already deduced that haven't we? 

 

 

 

If not, then someone is playing a great game.

 

 

Actually Shahensha has been playing really well too....

 

 

Where did we deduce there cant be two groups?

 

Also, explain the shah post.

 

@Yehom: Interesting claim. Not sure I believe it yet, but not using your role on N1 does make sense more now.

[KevinH]

Q: What's the differance between an ATAT and a stormtrooper?
A: One's an Imperial walker and the other is a walking Imperial.




Vote Count

Yehom (3): Robert2424, iSocialism, Shahenshah,
Electric Mango (2): Perez, Road2Victory,
The Warrior (1): Mandarijn,
Perez (0):
Robert2424 (0):
Imran Ehsan (0):
Road2Victory (0):
Shahenshah (0): 
Lyner (0):
Rafay (0):
iSocialism (0):
Mandarijn (0):
Finster Baby (0):

No Lynch (3): Finster Baby, Yehom, Rafay,

Not voting: The Warrior, Lyner, Imran Ehsan, Electric Mango,

 
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch or 4 at deadline.
Deadline is Tuesday, February 23, at noon EST.
 

[Finster Baby]

Finster Baby: Potential Scum. Came as a replacement for CS on D1 and was on the FF lynch wagon on D1. Was on the TW wagon on D2 before jumping on the Rusken wagon. Always posts a vote and says his mind is open to change, and he has indeed shifted his votes around to apparently where the votes are flowing. Scum like behavior but has claimed to be an even Follower. Claims to have targeted TW on N2 and seen him not go anywhere. if TW is scum, chances are Finster is also scum and the Follower claim comes from him trying to lower suspicion on TW.

Imran: If you read day 2's stuff, I clearly targeted TW as scum. There was stuff he was saying then (and hasn't backed off from honestly) that had me fairly certain he was scum. When Rusken was suggested and the evidence presented, I considered it and felt was more compelling than my hunches about TW so I went with it. We were all wrong, clearly, and that sucks. Then, in order for me to determine TW's loyalties, I followed him in Night 2, only observing he did nothing that night. That initially caused me to downgrade him (in my own mind) as scum, tho that is quickly re-establishing itself based on what I'm reading (including your assessment of him.)

But to put me in cahoots with him to lower his suspicion is just pointless. I've clearly identified myself with my character name and role, likely putting a great big target on my back.

Plus, if I were scum, would I have been advocating a No Lynch today unless evidence presented itself? (Which it is, meaning my vote will likely change.) Not likely.

I also think EM, Perez and Rafay are likely scum as well. I have no real evidence I can point to other than the analysis of those who are better at this than I am doing said analysis.

Lynch me if you must - but you'll find out quickly enough if you do that you'll be down yet another townie and the scum will be that much closer to a win.

[Robert2424]

Well. Yehom has came up with something I could believe. I don't fully trust him but it dose make sense.

UNVOTE

[iSocialism]

I'll take my vote off after a star wars character name is given.

[Yehom]

You are Ello Asty, Bodyguard

[Perez]

With that being said, I will move on with my theory:

 

Not scum: R2V, Robert, Lyner, Isoc, Yehom, Mandarin, FB, Me   

 

Newtral: Sha 

 

Scum: Em, Rafay, Inram, TW

 

Ill go with my hunches and my beliefs until proven otherwise. 

 

Vote: EM

 

Reason? Experienced, not have claimed role/s nor given any substantial information or evidence and either lurking or inactive (Which doesn't help) 

 

Thanks to Yehom, im preety sure I am quite spot on inn my assessment. Obviosuly, not 100% 

[Robert2424]

I really need to see the movie. ;/

[Mandarijn]

Can we ping EM? (Can we actually PM them ourself reminding them?)

[Robert2424]

I think only Kevin can.

[Road2Victory]

You are Ello Asty, Bodyguard

How do you know that?