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[Yehom]

No lynching is stupid? Please, you must have more information that you are willing to let go of then. This is both to Mandarijn and Isoc, who is pretty damn fast on the bandwagon.

 

I don't want to make my own conclusions based on the very little information that is being given in this point in time. Why would you want to lynch someone so badly without making something even close to an educated guess. It would be in the towns benefit to wait out another night, now that we know who have night actions in odd nights. Let them do their jobs, let the information sit a bit and then make a decision. It's very much going to be a better decision that the one that you are going to make now. I think that Imran's calculations on the matter are illustrating our current situation the best. We can't make rash decisions now, without risking losing the game

[iSocialism]

No lynching is stupid? Please, you must have more information that you are willing to let go of then. This is both to Mandarijn and Isoc, who is pretty damn fast on the bandwagon.

 

I don't want to make my own conclusions based on the very little information that is being given in this point in time. Why would you want to lynch someone so badly without making something even close to an educated guess. It would be in the towns benefit to wait out another night, now that we know who have night actions in odd nights. Let them do their jobs, let the information sit a bit and then make a decision. It's very much going to be a better decision that the one that you are going to make now. I think that Imran's calculations on the matter are illustrating our current situation the best. We can't make rash decisions now, without risking losing the game

Trust us, we won't lynched someone because you think of them as scum, but this helps us if you die. We don't know what you're thinking. If you are truly town then you are just as likely to die by talking vs not talking. All I'm asking for is some type of input on alive players.

[Yehom]

And who is us? Pretty bandwagon if you ask me

 

And tell me what is better, making a rash decision now with limited information, or waiting one night to get more information and than make a decision? What is in the best intrest of the town? Killing another townie in a hurry or waiting it out and make a better, more informed guess as to who is mafia? Your call

[KevinH]

Q: What kind of car takes you to a Jedi?
A: A ToYoda.



Vote Count

Yehom (2): Robert2424, iSocialism,
The Warrior (1): Mandarijn,
Perez (0):
Robert2424 (0):
Imran Ehsan (0):
Road2Victory (0):
Electric Mango (0):
Shahenshah (0): 
Lyner (0):
Rafay (0):
iSocialism (0):
Mandarijn (0):
Finster Baby (0):

No Lynch (2): Finster Baby, Yehom, Rafay,

Not voting: The Warrior, Lyner, Road2Victory, Imran Ehsan, Shahenshah, Electric Mango, Perez,

 
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch or 4 at deadline.
Deadline is Tuesday, February 23, at noon EST.
 
 

[Robert2424]

Isn't there 3 voting for no Lynch Kevin?

[Yehom]

Does it also take 7 votes for no lynch to get an immediate no lynch or do we have to wait til deadline day?

[Perez]

I have re-read most of this day and so far one thing is certain, imo.  All townies has roles!  I will admit I have a roll and mine can be used everyday though cant say what role it is because mafia might get an advantage.  Hopefully, that helps. 

[Robert2424]

I have re-read most of this day and so far one thing is certain, imo.  All townies has roles!  I will admit I have a roll and mine can be used everyday though cant say what role it is because mafia might get an advantage.  Hopefully, that helps. 

still a theory. But it helps.

[Perez]

With that being said, I will move on with my theory:

 

Not scum: R2V, Robert, Lyner, Isoc, Yehom, Mandarin, FB, Me   

 

Newtral: Sha 

 

Scum: Em, Rafay, Inram, TW

 

Ill go with my hunches and my beliefs until proven otherwise. 

 

Vote: EM

 

Reason? Experienced, not have claimed role/s nor given any substantial information or evidence and either lurking or inactive (Which doesn't help) 

[Robert2424]

I wouldn't put yehom on the Townie list. Lyner is confirmed Townie by Shamus. Sha feels like town. R2v and fun have given us something to work with. I'm still waiting for tws response. Inram says he blocked n1. Em I have no clue about. Perez claims to have a night action every night. (He unfortunately put a bigger target on his back). Rafay? Not sure with him. Fin given us some info. Mandarin? I think he's up in the air. Same for Isoc.

[Perez]

I may be way off in some people, but thats how I feel. 

[Imran Ehsan]

No lynching is stupid? Please, you must have more information that you are willing to let go of then. This is both to Mandarijn and Isoc, who is pretty damn fast on the bandwagon.

 

I don't want to make my own conclusions based on the very little information that is being given in this point in time. Why would you want to lynch someone so badly without making something even close to an educated guess. It would be in the towns benefit to wait out another night, now that we know who have night actions in odd nights. Let them do their jobs, let the information sit a bit and then make a decision. It's very much going to be a better decision that the one that you are going to make now. I think that Imran's calculations on the matter are illustrating our current situation the best. We can't make rash decisions now, without risking losing the game

 

We know who has odd night actions. So do the scum. They probably have a role blocker in their team as well, so I wont be surprised if they block one of the townies who has already power roles. So that means less probability of information for the town on D4. As already pointed out, with the cop already dead we have now lost our chance of proving anyone as scum with 100% certainty until they are lynched. If we just sit on our hands doing nothing, nothing will happen. There is no cop who will ride in with a white horse and say "this is one of the scum!".

 

So yeah, I am leaning more towards a lynch than a No lynch. I would really like to hear Lyner's view on things before I cast my vote. He is the only confirmed townie we have right now and I can be sure I am not being led by an argument from one of the scum.

[Road2Victory]

Ok a lot has happened since i checked this. I still haven't heard from EM about his opinion. 

 

I will have to support Perez's vote on this one. 

 

So vote EM

 

I mean he just disappeared. TW is still suspicious for not answering Robert's question. To me Shah and Imran are about iffy in the middle, I think Imran might be more town. 

 

I feel like if there was a no lynch it would be bad for townie. Mafia would get a free kill. A lynch would reveal who that person is, hoping that is not town. We can at least shed some light who killed Samus. 

[KevinH]

Q: Why did the crazy Angrallian Toobir cross the nebula?
A: To get to the other dementia.




Vote Count

Yehom (2): Robert2424, iSocialism,
Electric Mango (2): Perez, Road2Victory,
The Warrior (1): Mandarijn,
Perez (0):
Robert2424 (0):
Imran Ehsan (0):
Road2Victory (0):
Shahenshah (0): 
Lyner (0):
Rafay (0):
iSocialism (0):
Mandarijn (0):
Finster Baby (0):

No Lynch (3): Finster Baby, Yehom, Rafay,

Not voting: The Warrior, Lyner, Imran Ehsan, Shahenshah, Electric Mango,

 
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch or 4 at deadline.
Deadline is Tuesday, February 23, at noon EST.
 
Seven votes for no-lynch will immediately end the day.

[Imran Ehsan]

Here's my thoughts on potential scum and townies.

 

Yehom: Very likely scum. Was voting for Robert early on the game before switching votes to put the hammer vote on FF on D1. Started lurking on D2 -> only started posting after it was pointed out he was visiting the thread but not posting. Follows up with another spat with Robert and ended the day voting for him. Claims he has no odd/even action and did not send any actions as well. Has not claimed to be a vanilla townie as well. Not sure what his stance was on the Rusken wagon. He may have been ignoring it while focusing on defending himself from Robert's accusations. Might have known Rusken is a townie and did not want to stay on another townie lynch.

The Warrior: Potential scum. Voted for Robert on D1 and then switched to the FF wagon on D1. Did not vote for anyone of D2. Was accused by Samus the cop on D2 supported by Mandarijn. Claims to have been undecided between Robert and Rusken. Was followed by Finster on N2 which confirms he did not perform the Samus kill (assuming FB is town) but however has indicated he may have a power role.

Perez: Potential scum. Has lurked for most of the game and posted very little until very recently when pushed by others. Started off voting for iSocialism and then continued lurking for the rest of the day. Put the hammer vote on the Rusken lynch. Claims to have a power role but has revealed no results as of yet. Potential scum tactic to not be lynched while lurking by way of claiming to have a power role for townies.

Robert2424: Likely town. Voted for several ppl on D1 including iSocialism while claiming he wants No Lynch. Claimed to be a odd tracker who targeted Yehom on N1 and saw no movement from Yehom. Spent D2 accusing Yehom of being scum and ended the day voting for him. Although a bit suspicious to me during the early stages of the game, I am leaning towards him being town. If yehom is scum then Robert is definitely town.

Imran Ehsan: Confirmed Town. Although has been guilty of being involved in 2 townie lynches, point to note here is wagon built on his vote and not the other way around. Potential scums jumped or people being voted by him to potentially paint an innocent townie as being scum. Also was roleblocked on N2, which shows scum team are wary of his analysis and wants to make sure he has as little info as possible to use his superior analysis skillz.

Road2Victory: Neutral. Spent day 1 with spamming and random votes before settling on an iSocialism vote on D1. Did not vote for anyone on D2 while saying he suspect Rusken is scum. Also has been very fast on trying to paint others as potential scum building on suspicions of other townies. Has been careful to stay off townie lynch wagons, possibly indicating he may have known they will turn up town. However, has claimed to be an odd Watcher who watched Robert on D1. Was targeted by Rusken on N1 and saw no activity on him. While an odd Watcher makes sense in terms of the game setup his gameplay has been scummy, and I am still unsure of whether he may not be a Scum Watcher.

Electric Mango: Potential Scum. Has been unusually quite. Spent day 1 with random vote on Samus before switching to a Finster vote at end of D1. On D2 was quick to jump on the Rusken wagon. Has claimed no role or even indicated anything regarding roles. Too quite and too careful. 

Shahenshah: Likely Town. Joined on D2 and was on the lynch wagon for Rusken. However, has been active and has done some very good analysis and bringing up more discussion topics instead of lurking. Havent found anything negative on him yet.

Lyner: Confirmed town. Confirmed be cop as towny. However has been inactive/lurking. Voted for iSocialism on D1 and been pretty inactive on D2. Potential of being a scum Godfather but I do not think so.

Rafay: Very likely scum. Has been lurking all throughout the game and when he has been posting seemed like he hasnt read through the thread and was just skimming. Voted for TW on D1 and stayed off the lynch wagon on D2. Seems to be careful of not being on any townie lynch wagon while lurking.

iSocialism: Potential Scum. Voted for CS on D1 before ending the day with a vote on Rusken. Voted for me on D2 while saying he thinks Rusken is scum. Another case of staying carefully off lynch wagons while agreeing that the current player likely to get should be lynched. Spent D2 with a spat with Yehom. Has not claimed any role or indicated whether he has any or not but has been shortlisting other ppl as potential scum as they have not claimed as well. However, has been active and has looked to  scum hunt diligently. If he is scum, he is playing it well. If Yehom turns scum, he is conformed town.

Mandarijn: Neutral. Is convinced TW is scum and has been pushing for his lynch on D1. Was the only person to not have voted for anyone on D1 but was on the Rusken lynch wagon on D2. Was initially lurking on D1 but has been active since then. Has claimed no roles but is convinced all townies have power roles. Potentially might be fishing to find out what other power roles townies have while not revealing any power of his own. However, has been doing good analysis and if he is scum is playing it well. Although I dont think a scum will be pushing for the lynch of one person in particular (TW) unless he has some night info on him that others dont have. Neutral about him for the moment.

Finster Baby: Potential Scum. Came as a replacement for CS on D1 and was on the FF lynch wagon on D1. Was on the TW wagon on D2 before jumping on the Rusken wagon. Always posts a vote and says his mind is open to change, and he has indeed shifted his votes around to apparently where the votes are flowing. Scum like behavior but has claimed to be an even Follower. Claims to have targeted TW on N2 and seen him not go anywhere. if TW is scum, chances are Finster is also scum and the Follower claim comes from him trying to lower suspicion on TW.

 

 

So thats my thoughts currently. I am confident I have the scum on my Very Likely and Most Likely scum categories, with Potential Scum and Neutrals being of less chance of being scum. I will see how this day progresses before updating my judgements.

 

Disclaimer: I skimmed through the last 40 pages to do the above analysis, so I may have missed some info.

[Road2Victory]

A good analysis Imran I would have to think along the same lines as you on who is scum and scum is not. 

 

EM remains high on my list because he hasn't been active and just disappeared. So has Rafay as well. But EM has won me over Rafay tho.

 

I don't think Isocialism is scum but i doubt his vote on Rusken tho when they were having their little debate over there. I am quite unsure because Rusken was defending me and thats why I did not vote. I just sensed that Rusken was town, I know his character of how he writes and types. 

[Shahenshah]

As I said in my first or second post. We have to differentiate between in-actives and lurkers. Based on D1, I am of the opinion that inactives must not be lynched. Lurkers should be. EM last posted here on 10th, was last scene on forums on 12th and hasnt been here since then, so to me he is mid-way between lurker and inactive and thus, on a very thin red line. In my opinion, if he shows up and lurks, I'll be strongly inclined to vote for him. 

 

 

I strongly believe that Robert is townie and IMO, past all the fluff and bluff, his theory deserves more credence. 

 

Right now, I'm going to have to VOTE: YEHOM

 

Yehom mentioned he hasn't seen Rafey post for a while when he had just posted two hours earlier. I think this may also give credence to theory there could be multiple mafia teams and they're just trying to throw the grenade from one place to another at this point in time. 

 

If we are to push through this theory then say their are two Mafia teams, v. rough approximations:

M1:

Yehom

Perez

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M2: Rafey

EM

 

Finster and tW probably in opposing teams, cant say who is where tho, will read through and see.

I have re-read most of this day and so far one thing is certain, imo.  All townies has roles!  I will admit I have a roll and mine can be used everyday though cant say what role it is because mafia might get an advantage.  Hopefully, that helps. 

Why would you say that? To get you off suspicion list of multiple people, basically saying nothing, because every role does help the team you're on, regardless of mafia or townie IMO. Or are you trying to get killed at night? I mean, what was the point? It doesnt help townies in any way and if you're townie, you probably shot up in the kill-list of mafia. -.-

[iSocialism]

Well Imran you are definitely off my list. I will have to correct you that Robert and yehom had the spat on d2. My vote on rusken was remove early in the day way before his RC and accusation of Samus.

 

All I know is samus must at least gotten feedback on who he targeted, and he has the answer. Poor bastard, probably found a scum and none of us are targeting that person.

[Imran Ehsan]

I don't think Isocialism is scum but i doubt his vote on Rusken tho when they were having their little debate over there. I am quite unsure because Rusken was defending me and thats why I did not vote. I just sensed that Rusken was town, I know his character of how he writes and types. 

 

Well yes, but I forgot to add that you looked suspicious when you were doubting Samus' claim.

 

Well Imran you are definitely off my list. I will have to correct you that Robert and yehom had the spat on d2. My vote on rusken was remove early in the day way before his RC and accusation of Samus.

 

Correct. You had a spat with Rusken earlier in the day not with Yehom. Mixed the two up.

@Shah - Interesting theory regarding two scum factions. But since we have not seen 2 night kills, that would mean the scum teams are also odd/even aligned. So maybe one team can kill only on odd nights and the second can kill on even nights.

[Road2Victory]

I don't think Isocialism is scum but i doubt his vote on Rusken tho when they were having their little debate over there. I am quite unsure because Rusken was defending me and thats why I did not vote. I just sensed that Rusken was town, I know his character of how he writes and types.    Well yes, but I forgot to add that you looked suspicious when you were doubting Samus' claim.

 

But Rusken defended me over that. I guess i was confused when suddenly role claimed now I am just more supicious towards EM and yehom rather than I had with you.