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[Finster Baby]

And FB..yeah pretty suspicious movement there from you as well. You just reminded me of your flip flopping on D3.

Yeah I know it was. I'm just befuddled by everyone's claims and their actions. I can't even come up with a list of who I think is who.

Its irritating me.

[The Warrior]

Just throwing it out there for discussion - is no Lynch option feasible at this point or not? I do not think it's that feasible but I'm open to hearing other opinions?

I think that it's an option, but it should probably be a last resort if we cannot come to a reasonable consensus on who to lynch.

 

Imran is right on this:

If we go this route it has to be with a solid plan in place for the night. Since now we know almost all the roles we should plan it so that we can be sure to lynch a scum on D5.

If we are not comfortable lynching anyone today we need to have a good plan in place for the night, otherwise we could be down another townie.

[Yehom]

Unlike you, contributing and trying to discuss all available options. Why dont you actually share your thoughts on the question.

You must have a different definition to contributing than I have maybe, because again you are only throwing in assumptions and possible scenario without putting any information on the table of your own. Leeching information, making it seem as if you are contributing is what I call sneaky. Same goes for this:

 

 

 

It was I and Mand who led the charge and pressurised the lurkers to step forward, if it wasn't for that, We'd still be as informed as we were on D1. So saying that I haven't contributed to obtaining information is absolutely false. You are right I have asked questions, questions that have led to information being on the table, questions that ensured a good discourse and hopefully also force out bluffs that will be caught

 

 

It’s funny how you are always naming people that were already confirmed townies (this time it was Manda, who happened to be a cop that was killed, so no arguing on his side, last time it was Lyner who was confirmed by Shamus) and make it seem that you are definitely town by siding with them. You’re trying to ‘lead a charge’, but again why would anybody side with you if you have no new information to input? It’s kind of a cheap way of arguing, because nobody can actually hold something against you, because there is nothing

Last time I was for a no-lynch, because there was simply put not enough information on the table to make an educated guess on who was scum. Rafay fell victim to that, but he played his position out pretty poorly as well. This time I think this can be said for sure:

 

1) Imran (pretty much self explanatory), Lyner (confirmed by Shamus), TW (confirmed by Imran) and myself are confirmed townies

2) EM and Isoc look like a pair as well, I’m leaning to them being townies, but I’m not quite sure yet

3) Perez and ccabal are a team, but what their alliance is to, we don’t know yet

4) Sha has been shady this whole game and in my eyes very possibly scum

5) Finster has been quiet, so I have no clues on him

[KevinH]

Q: What do Jawa's have that no other creature in the galaxy has?
A: Baby Jawas.



Vote Count

The Warrior (1): Perez,
Perez (1): Imran Ehsan,
Yehom (1): Shahenshah,
Electric Mango (0):
iSocialism (0):
Imran Ehsan (0):
ccabal86 (0):
Shahenshah (0): 
Lyner (0):
Finster Baby (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Electric Mango, iSocialism, Lyner, The Warrior, Finster Baby, ccabal86, Yehom,

 
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch or 3 at deadline.
Deadline is Sunday, March 6, at 21:00 EST.

[Imran Ehsan]

^good post Yehom.

 

Shah's posting has been shady and with his defence of ccabal, they may be a team. Although Perez seemed to be trying to accuse Shah of being scum as well. So I am not sure if all 3 are on the same team.

 

One more thing just occurred to me. If Mandy investigated TW and found something suspicious as Perez is claiming, why would he not reveal his role? It makes no sense, he knew there is at least one townie with a role that can protect him at night (Yehom) and the possibility of a doc as well. Almost everyone had claimed roles on D3, so  if he really had incriminating evidence against TW he would have surely revealed his actions as Samus had done earlier. But Samus should not have claimed because he was ascetic and had not actually confirmed a sure scum. But if Mandy knew TW had a scummy name, I am pretty sure he would have revealed, specially knowing a protective role is around. I am sure he would have been protected by the bodyguard at least at night, if not the doc as well.

 

So this just leads me to believe that Perez is just throwing out the Mandy investigated TW story out there to reinforce his attempt to lynch TW. Sometimes the simplest solutions are the right ones and in tihs case it seems to be its a simple assumption to make the Mand would have revealed his role and identified TW as scum, which would have avoided the townie lynch as well. Since he did not, I am pretty sure Mand did not have any info that identified anyone as being clearly to be scum.

[Finster Baby]

I have no problem with a no lynch. I'm a follower and this is my night, so I'm open to any suggestions as to who to follow.

[Shahenshah]

*edit - fixing quotes for Yehom's last post - editor is wonky.

 

It’s funny how you are always naming people that were already confirmed townies (this time it was Manda, who happened to be a cop that was killed, so no arguing on his side, last time it was Lyner who was confirmed by Shamus) and make it seem that you are definitely town by siding with them.

 

Dude, Lyner was THE only confirmed townie. Please feel free to single out anyone whose not been supportive of him? If 10 other people support Lyner, it's ok, but if I support him, then 3 weeks later, that makes me suspicious. Nice logic, would make you suspect too.

 

My very first post I went out against lurkers instead of inactives. I'm not going to apologize for calling out anyone and everyone who lurked.  I simply dont understand why you have a problem with me for calling out lurkers and forcing them to participate in this game. Lurking only helps scum, so what does that makes you?

 

 

You’re trying to ‘lead a charge’, but again why would anybody side with you if you have no new information to input? It’s kind of a cheap way of arguing, because nobody can actually hold something against you, because there is nothing

 

 

 

So basically, everyone should role claim and/or expose their role or shut up because in your view, they can provide no valuable input. Well, I suppose if we had 10 Yehoms playing, we'd be in Day 6 with grand total of 3 pages of discussion.

 

What you want me to do here exactly? First you said I wasn't role claiming, then I gave you the reason, then you backed off and said it wasnt about me role claiming and now you're back on it. If majority of the people want me to role claim, I will role claim, but if the doc dies at next night because everyone will know for certain everyone and scum still in significant numbers, I would want you all to remember that it was Yehom who planted that seed. On one hand, we have our friend here wanting to map out the path to the doc, on other hand we are counting on that same gentleman to protect the doc.

 

 

Best part is you completely avoided my question regarding lynch or no-lynch. Shady. So I ask you the question again that you're avoiding for so long, what is your take on that?.

 

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Also Imran, It's ridiculous that supporting ccabal somehow makes me scum. Think I know why: 

- You hoped Perez's mistakes would allow a lynch wagon on him. I did come out and point his inconsistencies, but instead of voting for him, I took a step back, and said perhaps because he's a noob, like Rusken was, remember? I still think Perez is suspect, but I feel currently, Yehom is bigger suspect because he keeps going after me, which I dont mind, but flip flops on the reasoning and has rather poor use of logic. 

- I'm not even sure why Ccabal is suspect. ??? What wrong has he done.

 

Would'nt be surprised if Yehom and Imran are on same scum team. 

[Yehom]

Dude, Lyner was THE only confirmed townie. Please feel free to single out anyone whose not been supportive of him? If 10 other people support Lyner, it's ok, but if I support him, then 3 weeks later, that makes me suspicious. Nice logic, would make you suspect too.

You guys are trying to see who is the doc, myself or Lyner

It was I and Mand who led the charge and pressurised the lurkers to step forward

It's not the siding which caught my eye, it was the wording. You insist on naming the person, in both cases someone who was confirmed townie, to 'strengthen' your argument. In the first quote you want to make us believe that the doctor is among either you or Lyner (confirmed townie, and guessing by your wording, you probably think Lyner is a doctor), the 'maybe EM' is just to throw people off. In the second quote like I said the first time, you insist on naming Manda who is killed so he can't confirm, nor deny, your 'so called'/self proclaimed 'leading of the charge'.

My very first post I went out against lurkers instead of inactives. I'm not going to apologize for calling out anyone and everyone who lurked. I simply dont understand why you have a problem with me for calling out lurkers and forcing them to participate in this game. Lurking only helps scum, so what does that makes you?

Bravo for that, but again what else have you brought to the table expect forcing people to answer and giving your opinion on the matter with information that other people have given, without chiming in with what you know, your own information? It's an easy way of participating, low risk because you can do no wrong, because you haven't stated your night action so people can't judge you for it, sounds scummy doesn't it?

What you want me to do here exactly? First you said I wasn't role claiming, then I gave you the reason, then you backed off and said it wasnt about me role claiming and now you're back on it

Please tell me where I am even some where close to pressurizing you into a role claim

Best part is you completely avoided my question regarding lynch or no-lynch. Shady. So I ask you the question again that you're avoiding for so long, what is your take on that?.

I suggest you maybe read my post again?

Last time I was for a no-lynch, because there was simply put not enough information on the table to make an educated guess on who was scum.

But apparently it has to be spelled out for you: today we have enough action, enough information to catch scum, so why should we not lynch somebody? Last time you tried to condemn me for a no-lynch, this time you're condemning me for not following your no-lynching. Make up your mind

[Lyner]

^good post Yehom.

 

Shah's posting has been shady and with his defence of ccabal, they may be a team. Although Perez seemed to be trying to accuse Shah of being scum as well. So I am not sure if all 3 are on the same team.

 

One more thing just occurred to me. If Mandy investigated TW and found something suspicious as Perez is claiming, why would he not reveal his role? It makes no sense, he knew there is at least one townie with a role that can protect him at night (Yehom) and the possibility of a doc as well. Almost everyone had claimed roles on D3, so  if he really had incriminating evidence against TW he would have surely revealed his actions as Samus had done earlier. But Samus should not have claimed because he was ascetic and had not actually confirmed a sure scum. But if Mandy knew TW had a scummy name, I am pretty sure he would have revealed, specially knowing a protective role is around. I am sure he would have been protected by the bodyguard at least at night, if not the doc as well.

 

So this just leads me to believe that Perez is just throwing out the Mandy investigated TW story out there to reinforce his attempt to lynch TW. Sometimes the simplest solutions are the right ones and in tihs case it seems to be its a simple assumption to make the Mand would have revealed his role and identified TW as scum, which would have avoided the townie lynch as well. Since he did not, I am pretty sure Mand did not have any info that identified anyone as being clearly to be scum.

 

Perhaps Mand got a scummy name from TW but is still not sure if a "scummy" name means a scummy role, hence he is trying to push TW to blurt out his name. If TW lied then Mand can safely say that TW is scum.

 

As EM said and what we've seen it seems scums were given fake identities. It is likely that they're given a fake role too(Even Kevin has confirmed that there is an Encryptor). This could explain iSoc's convenient claim as there is no risk of other people counter claiming. Also explain Perez's situation if paired with ccabal.

 

iSoc targetting Shah at night 3 can also means that they're working together(apparently they never try to directly suspect/support each other)

 

And @Imran did you visit TW last night?

 

So to recap:

 

Likely Townie: Imran, Yehom

Yehom is confirmed as a protective agent by Perez and claimed as a Bodyguard. Ccabal confirmed that Yehom visited Imran last night, and nothing harmed Imran last night. So unless Yehom, Perez, and Ccabal are working together then Yehom is most likely a townie. Anyway a mafia Bodyguard is useless and unlikely in this game.

 

 

Scum Groups:

1. iSoc - Shah - Perez - Ccabal

2. Yehom - Perez - Cabal

3. TW - Shah - iSoc

 

I'm actually bothered by the second kill last night. This indicates either a vig, SK, or another scum group.

At the first night none died indicating that a commuter or other avoiding ability is used or a protective ability succeeded. If TW and Yehom haven't used his ability it is likely that we have either a vig or SK(as a scum group won't waste time not killing a player at night). The choice of target last night(Robert/Mand) heavily implies that we have an SK, or a bad vig. Well what do everyone thinks?

[Lyner]

Also my main concern of TW's role as a commuter is that a commuter fits mafia's interest better than town's in this game full of tracker/watch/investigative abilites

[iSocialism]

My top four scum are, in no specific order.

FB,

Em,

Shah,

Perez

 

FB has went into inactive mode.

Shah is pushing really hard on Yehom,

Perez, is also pushing hard for a lynch based more on a hunch,

and EM, I'm pretty much asking if you are the vanilla town you were talking about, but you have been you haven't answered besides with a yeah you can check me out tonight.

 

Side note, scum might try to call their scum buddies out to earn town creed.  No one is to be trusted this late in the game, though even earlier in the game as well. We have about 80% RCs with names and all are claiming to be town. Strange.

 

as for the rest,

Lyner - confirmed by samus, and I don't see how this is a way for him to be scum.

TW - I believe the commuter role to be pro-town.

Imran - strange for him to expose TW like that, but he probably wanted to keep him self. I also believe him as a pro-town player.

Yehom - I believe to be the BG

Ccabal, I lean more for him to be on either side. The early RCed by R2V before does give him some creed from me.

 

Another to look at is this. 4 people were visiting Imran - Perez, Yehom, Lyner, and Ccabal. Meaning that they couldn't have killed robbery or mand. If their statement are true. Imran watched TW, TW is confirmed to be commuter by Imran. TW has also claimed to be this giving him and Imran buddy credits. how cute. that gives us 4 remaining to commit the kills, if you believe the above story. Those 4; myself, Shah, EM, and FB.

Also I was more of keeping everyone names in my head, stupid idea. So will everyone post their names, and if you role claimed, your role/ Since you also RCed, you targets/NA and what you find. Lets help everyone out and get this almost on one or two of the latest pages. if this doesn't imply to you, still respond with no RC, and why you don't want to give your name.

 

Lor San Tekka - Neapolitan

 

Rusken - not vanilla town

Imran - not vanilla town

Shah - not vanilla town

[Shahenshah]

I mentioned Han Solo. I haven't RCd yet because it would map out the doc to Mafia. Im also suspicious of RCd bodyguard currently. I do not have a problem with RCing if it's OK with the ONLY confirmed townie who hasn't RCd.

iSoc, I'm more like pushing back on Yehom. If someone targets you specifically and then flip flops around, to me that is suspicious.

Dude, Lyner was THE only confirmed townie. Please feel free to single out anyone whose not been supportive of him? If 10 other people support Lyner, it's ok, but if I support him, then 3 weeks later, that makes me suspicious. Nice logic, would make you suspect too.

You guys are trying to see who is the doc, myself or Lyner

It was I and Mand who led the charge and pressurised the lurkers to step forward

It's not the siding which caught my eye, it was the wording. You insist on naming the person, in both cases someone who was confirmed townie, to 'strengthen' your argument. In the first quote you want to make us believe that the doctor is among either you or Lyner (confirmed townie, and guessing by your wording, you probably think Lyner is a doctor), the 'maybe EM' is just to throw people off. In the second quote like I said the first time, you insist on naming Manda who is killed so he can't confirm, nor deny, your 'so called'/self proclaimed 'leading of the charge'.

My very first post I went out against lurkers instead of inactives. I'm not going to apologize for calling out anyone and everyone who lurked. I simply dont understand why you have a problem with me for calling out lurkers and forcing them to participate in this game. Lurking only helps scum, so what does that makes you?

Bravo for that, but again what else have you brought to the table expect forcing people to answer and giving your opinion on the matter with information that other people have given, without chiming in with what you know, your own information? It's an easy way of participating, low risk because you can do no wrong, because you haven't stated your night action so people can't judge you for it, sounds scummy doesn't it?

What you want me to do here exactly? First you said I wasn't role claiming, then I gave you the reason, then you backed off and said it wasnt about me role claiming and now you're back on it

Please tell me where I am even some where close to pressurizing you into a role claim

Best part is you completely avoided my question regarding lynch or no-lynch. Shady. So I ask you the question again that you're avoiding for so long, what is your take on that?.

I suggest you maybe read my post again?

Last time I was for a no-lynch, because there was simply put not enough information on the table to make an educated guess on who was scum.

But apparently it has to be spelled out for you: today we have enough action, enough information to catch scum, so why should we not lynch somebody? Last time you tried to condemn me for a no-lynch, this time you're condemning me for not following your no-lynching. Make up your mind

You're putting words in my mouth. I condemned you for ignoring Lynch/no Lynch query, which is different from what youre saying. I did not advocate Lynch or No Lynch. if you actually read, I'm more inclined towards Lynch. I threw that out as an option if it made sense or not.

@Lyner/iSoc: Are you 100% certain Yehom role is confirmed bodyguard? No holes in that plot? I'm more like pushing back against Yehom, he keeps misrepresenting my stance, puts words in my mouth and keeps flip flopping targeting me, so yea, obviously I'd be then suspicious of him. If you guys are certain his RC is valid, I'll unvote.


My top scum list is:
Yehom
Perez
EM
~FB.

[Imran Ehsan]

OK lots of stuff to respond to.

 

Also Imran, It's ridiculous that supporting ccabal somehow makes me scum.

 

I did not say that. I am just making notes of who seems to be working with who. To me it seems you and ccabal may be on the same team. Its possible none of you are scum but its also possible both of you are part of a scum team working together.

[Imran Ehsan]

Perhaps Mand got a scummy name from TW but is still not sure if a "scummy" name means a scummy role, hence he is trying to push TW to blurt out his name. If TW lied then Mand can safely say that TW is scum. As EM said and what we've seen it seems scums were given fake identities. It is likely that they're given a fake role too(Even Kevin has confirmed that there is an Encryptor). This could explain iSoc's convenient claim as there is no risk of other people counter claiming. Also explain Perez's situation if paired with ccabal. iSoc targetting Shah at night 3 can also means that they're working together(apparently they never try to directly suspect/support each other)

 

And @Imran did you visit TW last night?

 

Yes but he never asked for the name though. I know iSocialism was asking around for names so it would have made sense if iSoc was the Flavor Cop. Mand never wanted it and seemed to be he was basing his votes on TW filp flopping on D2. I asked Mand about the reasons for his suspicions as well and didnt get anything more than that.

 

And yeah I targetted TW last night. Last night the people with unknown roles were you, Mandarijn, TW, EM, Shah and Perez. I wanted to find out an unknown role and find inconsistency in anyones claim today instead of trying to confirm a role. You are pretty townie for me and Shah did not stand out that much. Amongst the others I wanted to see if Mand's suspicions of TW were true as he seemed adamant, so I chose him over Perez or EM. Probably should have gone with Perez in hindsight.

[Imran Ehsan]

At the first night none died indicating that a commuter or other avoiding ability is used or a protective ability succeeded. If TW and Yehom haven't used his ability it is likely that we have either a vig or SK(as a scum group won't waste time not killing a player at night). The choice of target last night(Robert/Mand) heavily implies that we have an SK, or a bad vig. Well what do everyone thinks?

 

First night someone got protected or targetted TW (if he used his action that night). Apart from the doc I dont think we have seen any other protective role or jailkeepers or rolblockers (yet). Yehom would have died if he protected someone so it wasnt him. So it leaves only these 2 possibilities in my opinion.

 

I dont think a Vig will be lying about his role. They are normally townaligned. So it can be a SK or a scum with extra kill ability. I think they have an x-shot ability or only odd-night ability thats why we havent seen more kills until last night.

Imran - strange for him to expose TW like that, but he probably wanted to keep him self. I also believe him as a pro-town player.

 

At this point in the game, scum will target more valuable roles at night ex: me, doc, bodyguard, watcher etc. They wont take the chance that the commuter has an action up his sleeve and will use it the night they target him. So i am pretty sure they will leave him be. If anything they will try to lynch him if they knew his role. So I revealed TWs role knowing it will help id the scum today and not put him in too much danger at night.

[Imran Ehsan]

So will everyone post their names, and if you role claimed, your role/

 

Rey, Role Cop

N1 Target: Rafay - found him to be a 3-shot Role Stopper

N2 Target Yehom - got "No Result" from MOD

N3  Target TW - found him to be 2-shot Commuter

[Shahenshah]

What are the scenarios for no result?

[Imran Ehsan]

What are the scenarios for no result?

 
I already mentioned those in post #1029:
 

I thought I was role- blocked, but as we have seen no role blocker claims yet, its also possible the following may have happened.

1. Scum role blocker blocked me
2. Yehom also has acetic ability
3. Rafay used his action on Yehom.

One of the 3 above could have resulted in a No Result from the Mod.

[Lyner]

 

Perhaps Mand got a scummy name from TW but is still not sure if a "scummy" name means a scummy role, hence he is trying to push TW to blurt out his name. If TW lied then Mand can safely say that TW is scum. As EM said and what we've seen it seems scums were given fake identities. It is likely that they're given a fake role too(Even Kevin has confirmed that there is an Encryptor). This could explain iSoc's convenient claim as there is no risk of other people counter claiming. Also explain Perez's situation if paired with ccabal. iSoc targetting Shah at night 3 can also means that they're working together(apparently they never try to directly suspect/support each other)

 

And @Imran did you visit TW last night?

 

Yes but he never asked for the name though. I know iSocialism was asking around for names so it would have made sense if iSoc was the Flavor Cop. Mand never wanted it and seemed to be he was basing his votes on TW filp flopping on D2. I asked Mand about the reasons for his suspicions as well and didnt get anything more than that.

 

And yeah I targetted TW last night. Last night the people with unknown roles were you, Mandarijn, TW, EM, Shah and Perez. I wanted to find out an unknown role and find inconsistency in anyones claim today instead of trying to confirm a role. You are pretty townie for me and Shah did not stand out that much. Amongst the others I wanted to see if Mand's suspicions of TW were true as he seemed adamant, so I chose him over Perez or EM. Probably should have gone with Perez in hindsight.

 

 

Makes sense.

 

 

 

 

@Lyner/iSoc: Are you 100% certain Yehom role is confirmed bodyguard? No holes in that plot? I'm more like pushing back against Yehom, he keeps misrepresenting my stance, puts words in my mouth and keeps flip flopping targeting me, so yea, obviously I'd be then suspicious of him. If you guys are certain his RC is valid, I'll unvote.

 

Unless Yehom, Perez, and ccabal are working together then it is likely that Yehom speaks the truth

 

 

 

I am pretty certain that town won't last another day if we mislynch/no lynch today. Time to lay out all infos. Looking at how good scum was playing I'm also pretty sure they already know who's who

 

What's your role and what have you done during the nights, Shah?

[Finster Baby]

iSoc: I was inactive as I was on vacation and not checking he forums, I'm now active again.

I've said on several occasions that I'm an even day follower. I followed TW on Night 2 with him coming up with no action. I don't pretend to know what a 2-shot commuter is, so if someone can educate me that would be awesome.

My scum list, in no order:
Shah
Perez
EM
Yehom - tho I'm waffling on this one.