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[KevinH]

Kevin, can you clarify the flavor cop info also please, just to be sure of above.

The Flavor Cop is given the Star Wars character name.
Townies were given good-guy names, but no further flavor was implied.
Any correlation with game roles and movie character abilities is purely coincidental.

Also, I was asked via PM if mass role-claiming is now allowed. The answer is yes.

[Shahenshah]

Why, was there a restriction before?

[ccabal86]

Pretty busy, will post on Thursday

[KevinH]

Why, was there a restriction before?

 

It was in the original rules. The town could probably find a breaking strategy if everybody knew each other's roles at the start, which wouldn't be fun for anybody.
 

 

• Mass role-claiming is not allowed, but you may reveal your role if you have something interesting to share.

 

[Lyner]

 

The Flavor Cop is given the Star Wars character name.
Townies were given good-guy names, but no further flavor was implied.

 

 

Now that was pretty powerful

 

This could explain why iSoc's so adamant about names. Because only scum knows for sure that scums are given bad guy names.

 

On the other hand, that means scums didn't have the list of unused names.

 

Shah what is your character's name?

[iSocialism]

 

 

I'm pretty sure Perez isn't scum since if he is, then his partners haven't been doing a good job

 

I get what you are saying, but there are many inconsistencies and "wth" factors in his posts.

 

1. He claims I am scum because Yehom protected me. But he cant say why Yehom will protect me if both of us are scum. We have seen no 3rd party kills in the previous nights which would indicate the presence of a SK or Vig.

 

2. He apparently knew a 2nd kill will be done on this night and pepared his case based on that scenario.

 

3. He is very flaky about his actual role. I dont believe he has clearly come out and said what role he has.

 

4. On D3 he claimed to have a role that he can use every night. We have only seen odd/even tracker/watcher/followers in this game so far. IMO he wasnt sure if he will claim a watcher role so left it vague but made the mistake of revealing earlier he can use actions every night. He may have been worried that the Tracker (Robert) will target him and find out he can use his actions on odd nights, if he had claimed to use them on even nights. They probably targetted Robert for the same reason as well.

 

5. He claims to have seen TW being investigated. If he had that info why didnt he reveal it on earlier days when Mandarijn was still alive and could have confirmed him. Safe claim to do it after Mand died and no one can confirm it. His claim to watch Samus on N2 also is very convenient now that everyone knows Samus was ascetic.

 

6. Add all that to his history of lurking and not doing pretty much anything throughout this game, except for this last day when he seems to have emerged from the night with an agenda, not based on any new info he got from the night, but from something that I still am not sure how he arrived at (i.e. TW, me and Yehom are all scum).

ps: I forgot to add that he also claimed that Yehom is scum because he protected me but conveniently ignored the fact the Lyner (a confirmed townie) also protected me. So one guy protecting me is scum and the other is not. I am not sure how that makes sense.

 

 

I do agree that the 1st and 2nd targets are convenient, just like iSoc's claim

 

Now if we can link Perez to his scum friends in a way that makes sense that would be perfect, ccabal is one theory

 

And yes we should start thinking of scum pairs/groups instead of individual scums from now on

 

 

 

 

Lyner, I have a question, how can Scum deduce Mand was a flavor cop? Mand never gave a hint of his role. So my conclusion is that scum went after Mand because they knew that woukd result in tW becoming a prime suspect and all they need to do is sit back and let townies lynch another townie and do a factional kill at night and I believe then they win if they are 4 as you say?

And we're falling right into that trap!

 

 

Because around 80% of Mand's post contains accusations against TW. You wouldn't have that kind of dedication unless you actually had something on him, whatever that may be. Pretty big clues from Mand actually, too bad scums noticed faster.

 

Now about scums noticing it, yes it would be difficult to notice the clues Mand dropped unless you were specifically observing Mand(I myself searched his posts before getting to this conclusion ). Which leads me to believe that TW is scum and his scum friends finally noticed it after the repeated accusations by Mand in day 2 and day 3. Samus claimed cop and shifted scums' priority at night 2.

 

There is of course the possibility that scums just want to trick us, or that we are heading into the wrong direction and scum actually just targeted Mand & Robert because they are both the most active players.

 

Also yes, you look like a townie, as in scum behaving like a model townie. I haven't trusted you yet

 

 

 

Scum is obviously playing the inactive card and by this point every townies need to speak up who he thinks are the most suspicious people, instead of following wagon as scums can quickly blend in.

 

 

Another thing, @iSocialism who do you target last night and why you picked him?

 

 

 

This has been a really hard game for me to keep up with and I apologize for not bringing you guys my A-game. I have read everything and have read the first few days several times in fact but it is still really hard for me to get my head around everything.

And yes, ISocialism, you should visit me tonight.

 

I visited Shah, he was one of the few who hadn't role claimed. He has a role.

 

EM, you mentioned that there was at least one vanilla town. I figured you knew who it was, either by investigation or by being it. With my NA on Shah, you are the only one without a RCed/role known which to me, means that you are the vanilla town you are talking about. I figured that you would had said you were it on d3 and to have me confirm it during the night. but by not saying that. I figured it was someone else, so I went searching else where. Which lead me to Shah. Maybe with the way you said it, I should had known to checked you last night, but I will believe you if you say you are it. We might not get another day, and we need to hunt the scum groups and further the town from that list.

[The Warrior]

 

Lyner, do we know when tW was investigated by Mand?

I still believe it's a trap, I have mentioned my reasons above. My only concern is if Mand knew something, why did he hold back. We all trusted Mand to be a townie and if he had come forth and built a case, We'd have a case on tW. Now, I dunno, maybe after so many wrong lynches, I'm being extra cautious. Also, lol you don't need to trust me :-) I don't think I can do more than what I'm doing for town TBH unless you want me to role claim.

 

First night most likely

 

At the second day it wouldn't be beneficial to openly claim you're a cop, much more if your information doesn't contain concrete evidence if someone is a scum(flavor cop is similar like role cop?). Moreover, that day Samus claimed role cop, town would be in a worse position if scum knows two cops right from the start while the town instead doesn't have any info on who's scum

 

At the third day, I don't know

Perhaps Mand is just fishing for more info and expect TW to misspoke since the role's allegiance is a bit ambiguous

 

I'm not advocating to kill TW today, at least not yet, it's only one of likely explanations regarding Mand's death

 

 

I'm more interested in TW's opinion against my accusation

I can see how it is not a good thing for two cops to be openly known early on since they would both likely be targeted at night. However, when Mandarijn failed to form a lynch wagon against me on days 1 and 2 and could see that he was going to fail again on day 3, don't you think that at that point if he actually had incriminating evidence against me that he would have role claimed and had me lynched? How many townies needed to die before he would reveal what he thought he knew? By not role claiming and presenting his "evidence" he contributed to the town losing two people to lynches during the day and three more at night.

 

 

 

Because around 80% of Mand's post contains accusations against TW. You wouldn't have that kind of dedication unless you actually had something on him, whatever that may be.

 

 

Kevin, can you clarify the flavor cop info also please, just to be sure of above.

The Flavor Cop is given the Star Wars character name.
Townies were given good-guy names, but no further flavor was implied.
Any correlation with game roles and movie character abilities is purely coincidental.

Since the only result returned to the Flavor Cop was the Star Wars name, it seems that Mandarijn was assuming that I was scum based solely off of my character (Finn). I think that you were right here Lyner:

 

 

 

Perhaps Mand is just fishing for more info and expect TW to misspoke

 

 

The explanation for his continued pressure on me seems to be that he was just pushing to try and obtain more information.

 

 

 

There is of course the possibility that scums just want to trick us, or that we are heading into the wrong direction and scum actually just targeted Mand & Robert because they are both the most active players.

 

This is the most likely explanation for the kill of Mandarijn at night. The scum let him try to rally a lynch wagon against me so that they wouldn't have to do it themselves. It was apparently a safe play for them to make because Mandarijn never focused on anyone else until near the very end of days 2 and 3 when he switched his votes to Rusken and Rafay respectively to help lynch them. Since Mandarijn was so narrowly focused on me, the scum didn't have to worry about him. When it became apparent that Mandarijn wasn't going to be able to have me lynched after three failed attempts the mafia must have seen an opportunity and killed him off. Killing him successfully did two things: 1) Killed off a townie (Mandarijn) and 2) Framed a second townie (Me).

[Imran Ehsan]

Interesting result iSoc. Also interesting theory from TW. I think we are starting to see a pattern on how potential scum groupings can be. Its not exactly clear yet but we can look at the overall direction of arguments and support each player is giving for the other.

 

So in my opinion, we are now seeing groupings of -

 

1. EM and iSoc - we need to hear from EM, but if he confirms iSoc's theory that will mean they are confirming each others roles (one a VT and another a Neapolitan).

 

2. Perez and ccabal - still need to hear from ccabal, but until he posts his thoughts it looks like both are confirming each others roles.

 

3. Perez and Finster - going by TW's theory that scum probably tried to build up on his wagon, the biggest supporter of a TW lynch after Mand was Finster. So i see a potential grouping between the two there too.

 

4. Shah and ccabal- Still cant quite figure out Shah but he had been defending ccabal.

 

Lyner is confirmed town and I am leaning towards Yehom being town as well. Re: TW  am leaning towards him being town and I know he is a commuter, but there is nothing that says a commuter cant be scum. Still slightly leaning towards him being townie.

 

We need to really hear from EM and also need more posts from ccabal and Finster.

[Electric Mango]

I don't know if it's because of all the new people we are playing with or the sheer volume of text or a combination of both but I really don't have anything. I don't have any special information and am for the first time, at a loss for words. I feel guilty because I usually am very opinionated but I am struggling to put the pieces together.

If I was forced to vote right now I would vote for Perez based on what others have posted and would put a lot of faith in iSoc for obvious reasons.

[Lyner]

 

 

Kevin, can you clarify the flavor cop info also please, just to be sure of above.

The Flavor Cop is given the Star Wars character name.
Townies were given good-guy names, but no further flavor was implied.
Any correlation with game roles and movie character abilities is purely coincidental.

Since the only result returned to the Flavor Cop was the Star Wars name, it seems that Mandarijn was assuming that I was scum based solely off of my character (Finn). I think that you were right here Lyner:

 

 

 

Well we can start the name grouping, anyone has the list of name?

 

If everyone alive claimed a good guy name then we know scums were given a fake identity that can only be confirmed by flavor cop

 

And ergo your name claim wouldn't be credible and instead, extremely suspicious

[Lyner]

I don't know if it's because of all the new people we are playing with or the sheer volume of text or a combination of both but I really don't have anything. I don't have any special information and am for the first time, at a loss for words. I feel guilty because I usually am very opinionated but I am struggling to put the pieces together.

If I was forced to vote right now I would vote for Perez based on what others have posted and would put a lot of faith in iSoc for obvious reasons.

 

Give us your name

[iSocialism]

I don't know if it's because of all the new people we are playing with or the sheer volume of text or a combination of both but I really don't have anything. I don't have any special information and am for the first time, at a loss for words. I feel guilty because I usually am very opinionated but I am struggling to put the pieces together.

If I was forced to vote right now I would vote for Perez based on what others have posted and would put a lot of faith in iSoc for obvious reasons.

The main thing that is confusing me, is what did you mean that there is at least one vanilla town?

[Shahenshah]

 
The Flavor Cop is given the Star Wars character name.
Townies were given good-guy names, but no further flavor was implied.

 
 
Now that was pretty powerful
 
This could explain why iSoc's so adamant about names. Because only scum knows for sure that scums are given bad guy names.
 
On the other hand, that means scums didn't have the list of unused names.
 
Shah what is your character's name?

I am Han Solo.

[Electric Mango]

I don't know if it's because of all the new people we are playing with or the sheer volume of text or a combination of both but I really don't have anything. I don't have any special information and am for the first time, at a loss for words. I feel guilty because I usually am very opinionated but I am struggling to put the pieces together.

If I was forced to vote right now I would vote for Perez based on what others have posted and would put a lot of faith in iSoc for obvious reasons.

Give us your name

Captain Ithano
Names won't help though. I'm sure someone else has already said it but Kevin consistently assigns safe claim names for the Mafia. He has done it in every game I can remember.

[Finster Baby]

Yes, I supported lynching TW until I visited him and found no action, then Mand convinced me otherwise.

unfortunately for me, I'm completely at a loss as to who or what is going at this rate. Vacation killed me.

[Shahenshah]

Yes, I supported lynching TW until I visited him and found no action, then Mand convinced me otherwise.

unfortunately for me, I'm completely at a loss as to who or what is going at this rate. Vacation killed me.

Dont worry, you're not alone

[Shahenshah]

Just throwing it out there for discussion - is no Lynch option feasible at this point or not? I do not think it's that feasible but I'm open to hearing other opinions?

[Imran Ehsan]

I am pretty positive Perez is scum. He has gone into lurk mode again.

 

And FB..yeah pretty suspicious movement there from you as well. You just reminded me of your flip flopping on D3.

Just throwing it out there for discussion - is no Lynch option feasible at this point or not? I do not think it's that feasible but I'm open to hearing other opinions?

 

If we go this route it has to be with a solid plan in place for the night. Since now we know almost all the roles we should plan it so that we can be sure to lynch a scum on D5.

[Yehom]

Just throwing it out there for discussion - is no Lynch option feasible at this point or not? I do not think it's that feasible but I'm open to hearing other opinions?

Getting cold feet Sha?

[Shahenshah]

 

Just throwing it out there for discussion - is no Lynch option feasible at this point or not? I do not think it's that feasible but I'm open to hearing other opinions?

Getting cold feet Sha?

 

Unlike you, contributing and trying to discuss all available options. Why dont you actually share your thoughts on the question.