I'm not quoting anyone because it doesn't need to be a longer post then needed.
Canik - I don't believe I ever stated that you were the only one to take away people's suspicion of Fermion....people already were dropping off Fermion/you before you even took over. I already referenced the comment I made in my last reply about me calling out people suddenly jumping off your wagon and switching to Robert. As I stated there, I saw no good in doing so. There was at least some suspicion with Fermion before he went inactive, but yet people decided to rather choose Robert, another inactive that hadn't given off any hints of who he might be. Again, if I'm going to vote off an inactive, which I still think is stupid, I would rather choose an inactive that gave off suspicion then an inactive that didn't give us any suggestion or idea what he was. You then took over and instantly came out saying who you thought was town and scum, which if you were lynched would of at least gave us something to go off of. The only thing I believe I've said is I don't know how from what you said once you took over would erase any suspicion, because you merely repeated something (as Fermion did). You didn't make yourself in my eyes look more scummier or less.
In regards to the breadcrumb, I don't think I need to repeat myself. I stated my opinion on this already, if you care to know it, you can look back at my points I made against it. I pointed out scenario's that it could in be bad. In my response, I even stated it would depend on how many people guessed wrong first that would determine how quickly the scum was able to narrow down their list of possible scum. At this point, the scum liknow 3 less people that isn't a cop, the two that are dead and I imagine they used their role cop on another so they at least know another person's role. So that leaves 7 at this moment that are possible cops. Now everyone guesses, it all depends on how many guesses are wrong (scum will know) that will determine how far they can narrow said list, and be luckier on killing the cop N2. I think the safe bet would be for the cop to come out D3, though he could do 3 night actions and come out D4...but that's a risk. Now if the cop found a scum D1, then in my opinion there is no need to do the breadcrumb...because if he leaves the breadcrumb that someone = scum, he's going to be targeted to be killed the next night, so we lose N2's cop action. The Scum are going to kill anyone who guessed right on a scum, period. So if the cop found a scum the first night, he my as well just roleclaim because the breadcrumb isn't going to do anything more to help us or protect him, his "Breadcrumb" of the scum is going to lead him to be killed. The only way he'd be possibly safe one more night is a fellow town member guesses someone is a scum and is right too and they kill the wrong person....but that being said, the more town people who guess someone is a scum, the more likely they're going to be wrong as well, as it's a lot better odds to guess and be right someone is a town then someone is a scum, and each wrong answer narrows their list.
I'm not saying the idea is horrible, I am just saying there are possible bad scenerios to it that lead me to rather just not risk it. Another problem is, say another of our role power guys gets lucky and guesses someone is a scum....he's likely to be killed because he correctly guessed a scum which the scum will likely fear he could be a cop and kill him. Now were out another power role because he just luckily guessed right.
The only thing we gain from breadcrumbs is if cop found a town N1 and he can leave a breadcrumb that someone is for sure a town. This is helpful information, but how much is it worth? Is it worth helping narrow down the list of possible cops for the scum for N2? Doing the breadcrumb idea if the cop did find a scum N1 actually likely hurts us. The cop will leave the breadcrumb today that someone is a scum, which will lead the cop to be killed tonight, so we don't get his N2 info. D3 will come, we will know who the scum is. However, if instead, he came out today with that scum information, we wouldn't risk mislynching today, we knock out a scum instead, and we lose the the cop tonight (unless we jailkeep the cop). So if the cop did find a scum, it's better if he just came out now with the information if we're going with the breadcrumb idea, then to not come out he's a cop, leave a breadcrumb, risk a mislynch today, and have to wait till tomorrow to know who the scum after the cop is killed, and we still don't get his information of N2. The result will be the same, the cop will be killed N2, the only difference is we have to wait another day to know who the scum is and risk mislyncing today.
So in all reality, the only benefit we gain from doing the breadcrumb is if the cop found a town N1 and can leave a breadcrumb. But is verifying a single townie worth the risk of people guessing wrong, and instead of scum having to pick from 7 people who could be the cop...now the number drops to 3, 4, 5, etc that are possibly the cop, giving them a better chance of guessing right. Or instead, we don't help narrow the list of the possible cop, and we hope he isn't killed tonight and tell us two night actions come D3.
If majority want to do breadcrumb then we'll do it. My only response would be then if the cop found a scum N1, don't worry about leaving a breadcrumb today, just come out you're the cop and who the scum is so we can knock one off tonight. You're going to be killed N2 either way, rather not have to wait another day and possibly mislynch today, as well as you using up a action point we have when you are killed anyway and will be for nothing. I still don't think it's worth possibly forcing the cop to possibly role claim today if he did find a scum, or we help narrow down the scum's guess for N2 of who the cop is just so we have a single verified town.
So there...you got me to reiterate what I've already said, and make me look deeper into it making my novel even longer.
ABT - My main reason for going Canik was not Canik's action but Fermion's. I've also stated that Canik's reply didn't really make him more or less scummier in my eyes. It mainly revolved around Fermion, but I do find it odd that the first thing Canik said is suggest an idea that people found holes in already, and seem to keep pushing that. For me the idea could hurt town more then help, so people pushing it makes me suspicious. As for TW's, I must of missed that whole interaction, as I thought the only two people who after some of the holes of the idea were brought to light that still thought it was good was Canik/Imran. In regards to trying hard to prove I'm town, my last response was merely in reply to Canik suggesting that I'm still suspicious because I could of been trying to take a lynch off an inactive town and instead putting it on a more active town. I wanted to point out my push for the lynch of him or Whitebeard wasn't suddenly at the end...those had been my suspicious two from awhile ago, back when Fermion was as inactive as Robert, and I already stated earlier that if I'm usually a no lynch person, but if I was going to vote it was going to be off something more then voting someone with no evidence or suspicion, which Robert was.
I don't get what you're talking about with fear? I didn't say I feared I would be lynched. I merely stated that if Robert was found out to be scum, I'd likely be target #1 because I was the one advocating not to lynch him. There's not going to be an whole lot to go on this day (or until cop comes out likely), so me trying to tell people not to vote Robert who was scum might be suspicious enough to lynch over because there's not much else to go off of, and I don't see us going a day without a lynch now. If you're suggesting I wouldn't get votes and possibly lynched over that alone on D2 with not much other information, then I think you're kidding yourself.
I probably did use the wrong word, as I said I was "Glad" Robert came up as town. I was thinking as I was typing my response out as I do always, and yea in a way I hope that Robert being town would help people know I'm town and take my thoughts into consideration more, but yes I do agree that it would of been better Robert came up as scum. I even alluded to that in the same paragraph.
I didn't like the vote on Robert, and what I feared happened did. We killed off a inactive town that we could of hopefully got a replacement for, and doing so, we gained nothing.
My glad comment was me thinking about the result as an individual not as the whole game, because if he was scum it could end up causing a mislynch on me...but then I went into how the result hurt us, and how the result was what I feared would be the result all along, he was a townie and we gained nothing. I stated this multiple times before last deadline, and why the lynch was bad. I also stated in the same paragraph, " The only good scenario was Robert was scum...anything else was going to be bad." Which I also stated before the deadline lynch. So yes, I agree the best result would of been he was scum. I have stated that in many posts. The upside of him being town I wrongly worded as being better then him being scum, which was not my intent.
The last sentences weren't meant to be bigger words either. I just noticed this after posting. When I copied the one quote of mine from an earlier post it was smaller font, I thought I changed it to the same as all the rest, but obviously I made it from smaller to larger.